Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[~ Gheb ~]

Looks more like an arsonist crumb to me.

*facepalm*

OS if you've already decided he was the play for today then what was the point of having him claim.

Nothing. That's why I've pointed out how his scum hunting doesn't make sense and should not be listened to.

And you didn't mention who you think the Arsonist is.

Or who you hosed last night.

1.) Because I have no idea who it could be.

2.) Because I don't see the benefit.

Swiss what good does it do us to know who he targeted unless we happen to have a tracker or something.

All I can see that doing is letting the arsonist know if he needs to change up his gameplan or not.

We have a watcher JFYI. But I agree it would be for the best to let the arsonist speculate hoping he get caught in a WIFOM decision that doesn't turn out in his favor.

You can Arson someone after they get hosed.

Right?

Cool.

But he won't do it, if I don't tell him. What if I happened to hose the guy he set on gasoline that night? It's better for him to not know.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And Gheb, why didn't you crumb more?

What would that have done exactly? I already mentioned D1 that a bread crumb is not evidence for anything. It's not like two crumbs are more credible than one.
And I'd just like to remind you guys that I made that crumb way before I even became remotely suspect. I didn't do this out of nowhere or based on the pressure so it's by no means a cop-out.

You're ******** if you think I'm Arsonist. If I were Arsonist I'd have plenty of reason to believe that I'd run into a fire fighter CC.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Right, but pretend you're the arsonist. Why would you go through the trouble of priming someone twice? You wouldn't. If we get his target from him, all we're doing is giving the arsonist assurance that his targets will die when he ignites them.

That's why I'm keeping it for myself unless somebody gives me a good reason not to. If I told whom I targeted I'd have to speculate whether I have to hose said player AGAIN in case the Arsonist decides to prime him again. It'd put me at a lose / lose situation, which the real Arsonist is in right now.

 

[Overswarm]

And if he's telling the truth? Then what?

He isn't. Regardless, there's no way to check on him until everyone ignites in flames. Regardless, it's more likely that he's mafia claiming firefighter.

Someone hammer.

 

[mentosman8]

First part, talking as a whole to town not just you.

Gheb, you are willing to lynch him to get OS off your back? What? Also you just state null-leaning town but don't take a stance on him.

J, So because you cannot read someone well you are willing to kill them.....just cuz? And you even say you do not have a scum-read on me but two people you have a scum-read on you aren't pushing! I mean what is this crap?

Swiss, So the only reason you feel Swiss is null-leaning scum like you've said is because of meta?

Zen, why?

KK, since the whole post was devoted to talking about me other than that, I kinda assumed it was heading the same direction>_>

More importantly, where exactly did you get that from my piece about Gheb? OS hasn't even slightly attacked me as of now, how would that make any sense when I said tunneled? How did you even twist this to a self-preservation thing? Not to mention you once again insert a "null" portion into my read which is NOT the case. The only reason I'm going to consider putting the hammer down is because OS is so tunneled on HIM, and OS isn't one of my scum reads either. I feel it's TvT and if the only way to stop it is to let Gheb get lynched it's better than going back and forth the rest of the game distracting from everyone else. Gah, if you're going to twist my words, at least do it in a way that makes any sense at all with what I've said.

You and Gheb are pretty much the choices at this point in the game. I'm perfectly willing to let a null read die when town wants them dead. How is this so hard to understand?

JEGUS! For gog's sake, I specifically say that meta is the only reason I am QUESTIONING my SCUM READ on SWISS. Once again you twist what I say into something scummy. No, the reason I find Swiss scummy is not based on meta, the reason I don't trust my read on him is due to meta. Not to mention your insertion of null yet again. What are you trying to accomplish with what has to be purposeful misrepresentation of what I say?

Zen I've said before. Play doesn't seem townie, asking for any and every claim he can get his paws on. I just don't get a town vibe from him. Incidentally, if Gheb flips and is actually firefighter, Zen skyrockets to number one pick for arsonist. Why? Who else would want everyone to claim than someone who is counter to one specific role?

He isn't. Regardless, there's no way to check on him until everyone ignites in flames. Regardless, it's more likely that he's mafia claiming firefighter.

Someone hammer.

I'm debating it. Got two days left, and want to hear J's response to why he felt the need to twist my words at every chance before I decide. I think all town should think things over before they cast the hammer, not because it's a terrible choice and yada yada, but because we've got enough time to do so and wasting time doesn't help us at all.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The only reason I'm going to consider putting the hammer down is because OS is so tunneled on HIM, and OS isn't one of my scum reads either. I feel it's TvT and if the only way to stop it is to let Gheb get lynched it's better than going back and forth the rest of the game distracting from everyone else. Gah, if you're going to twist my words, at least do it in a way that makes any sense at all with what I've said.

1.) Mentos, you did not respond to my earlier points in regards to this attitude. I can't believe you're going to follow this through, especially if it means costing a town PR - of a player you believe to be town. Make sure to respond to this point I made earlier.

2.) He had to do it because he's scum.

You and Gheb are pretty much the choices at this point in the game. I'm perfectly willing to let a null read die when town wants them dead. How is this so hard to understand?

It's hard to understand because your passivity and reactive play all game has cost us many potential reads that could've let to better results. If you're uneasy with the choice being between me and J then you take a lot of blame for it for standing on the side not taking strong enough a stance. You have literally not made any new information available whatsoever and you have only commented on the obvious issues at hand.

I'm debating it. Got two days left, and want to hear J's response to why he felt the need to twist my words at every chance before I decide. I think all town should think things over before they cast the hammer, not because it's a terrible choice and yada yada, but because we've got enough time to do so and wasting time doesn't help us at all.

Says the guy who has been wasting ample time this game. It's pretty telling for this town how you can get away with that kind of play. Are you even aware that at no point of the game there was a need for it to come down to this decision? Had you only been active and helpful when it mattered. J is scum and it's so evident that I'm wondering why you even have to decide between him and me. It's not like he's twisting your words alone either. He has done the same to me all Day.

 

[Overswarm]

Who else would want everyone to claim than someone who is counter to one specific role?

Mafia members in general
Knowledgeable townies
Watcher
Tracker
Stalker
Ability absorbing roles


Just saying.

Gheb is the play for toDay. Other people's scumminess if irrelevant. They will be dealt with after.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Mafia members in general
Knowledgeable townies
Watcher
Tracker
Stalker
Ability absorbing roles

Only bad players of these roles would actually advocate that though.

And lol @ ignoring people being scummy and lynch me instead. Have you guys not seen through this charade yet? This nonsense has reached a point where he admits that it's not even about people being scummy anymore.

Is lynching me your WinCon, Overswarm?

 

[Overswarm]

Only bad players of these roles would actually advocate that though.

Regardless, they would still want it... which was the question at hand.

And lol @ ignoring people being scummy and lynch me instead. Have you guys not seen through this charade yet? This nonsense has reached a point where he admits that it's not even about people being scummy anymore.

That's not what I said.

Is lynching me your WinCon, Overswarm?

You need to work on subtlety. Anyone that reads this question and thinks about it will say "Why would Gheb say that?" and you kind of fall apart then. If it was I wouldn't answer with a yes, if it wasn't you wouldn't believe me if I did (or someone else wouldn't), etc., etc.

In short, the only reason to ask that question is to hope to undercut your aggressor. Regardless, I'll still be around toMorrow whether you are lynched or not. But you will be lynched because you are the play for toDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

No, I'm asking it because I can't get rid of the feeling you're a lyncher. No need to keep this subtle ... the only reason to suggest that is to undercut your aggressor.

And yes, that was exactly what you said. You literally told people to ignore other people being scummy by labeling it as irrelevant.

 

[Overswarm]

They will be dealt with after.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'm not understanding why DH's claim stopped you guys from lynching him and Gheb's did absolutely nothing.

OS I know you said he's lying and is scum, but I need you to show me specific instances of why this is true.

 

[Overswarm]

Dark Horse is Dark Horse.

Gheb is Gheb.

Gheb is also the play.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

I'd be willing to lynch OS today.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm sure you would. Regardless, Gheb is the play. Not me. Not J. Gheb.

Deadline is soon, and Gheb is a scum role.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Since Gheb left a crumb, there's a reasonable chance that OS saw the crumb on a Night reread, and that his tunnel of Gheb toDay was a natural consequence of knowing him to be firefighter. In which case he was very likely looking for the crumb to begin with, i.e. he's an arsonist. This would explain the absolutely super-bizarre tunneling of Gheb that's gone on through D2.

If Gheb is an arsonist, then a firefighter would CC if one exists. However, I'd also think that a voyeur would be in a game with an trail-leaving indy, rather than a watcher which is what's been claimed. Subtle difference, but one which IMO lends doubt to this claim from Gheb.

It's a tough situation to call, but I really like what it potentially says about OS, whose situation was very unreadable prior to this.

So, possibilities:
Gheb is mafia
OS is arsonist

Gheb is looking like a really valid play now, via connections to X1-now-Glyph on mafiaflip and w.r.t. OS on a Fire Fighter flip, while before he was more of a deadline option. Gheb should go.

 

[Overswarm]

Someone hammer Gheb.

 

[CT Chia]

Somewhat caught up and after reading everything

I'd be willing to lynch OS today.

^ This more or less sums up what I'm thinking now

I still don't understand the Gheb case that much after all this
and OS still gunning for him this hard after a Firefighter claim is ridic

Firefighter is not a fake claim someone is given. Point and fact. If there is a firefighter in the game, there is an arsonist. You wouldn't give someone a safe claim of firefighter for ANY reason because either there isn't an arson in the game OR you are the arsonist, but then you could get CC'd by the real fire fighter (and I've never seen a arson in a game w/o a firefighter). So yea, I 100% believe his claim. And who wants the firefighter dead the most? freicken OS. He's done nothing this day but harp on Gheb to no end.

Unvote Vote OS

There's still like 2 whole days left today, this OS lynch can def go through

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You know what's a very safe claim in a game with no arsonist, Chibo? Firefighter.
Person A: "Why isn't our claimed firefighter dead yet?"
Person B: "Obviously the arsonist didn't ignite yet."

If Gheb flips firefighter, chances are OS is arsonist and can be caught after the fact, don't you think? His tunneling Gheb all Day looks suspicious, does it not? And this could be attributed to him potentially seeing Gheb's firefighter crumb, could it not? Win-win, amirite? And if OS is... whatever brand of scum you seem to think he is, then we'll still be hitting scum toMorrow upon a Gheb firefighter flip.

You're caught up, yeah? What do you think of Gheb, prior to his claim at least? Read get.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Add to that what you currently think of J. Thanks much.

 

[CT Chia]

Would you rather go first for the person that claimed to be the firefighter or the person trying to kill the claimed firefighter? Obviously OS in this situation. If Gheb dies and flips firefighter than yea it practically outs OS, however it gives him yet another night to prime someone then he can ignite in the day tomorrow before he is killed. OS is a bigger risk atm.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

But that's not how it works. Gheb Firefighter implies OS scum. OS town does not imply Gheb scum.

What do you think of Gheb pre-claim, and what do you think of J?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

The sad part is - and this is aimed at everybody questioning Overswarm - is that this is exactly how he plays this game as town. Lynching him at this point is a complete waste of time as he is most likely not mafia. Yes, his push against the fire fighter puts us at a WIFOM situation on whether or not he is the arsonist but that's just what townOS would do in this situation.

I'd just like to point out once more than the material against J is OVERWHELMING and that he twists everybody's words who tries to argue with him rather then actually refuting points. I'd rather lynch the guy who is most likely mafia now than to speculate on whether OS is indy or not and lynch him hoping for a lucky shot. If you guys really think he's the Arsonist he'll probably see himself forced to prime his targets sooner than his optimal play suggests, which minimizes the threat coming from him. In addition I can still hose likely targets and I'm not a likely night kill because I can take care of something that's a legitimate threat to the mafia. Whether OS is arsonist or not [I doubt it] he can live because there's no way he's going to fulfill his WinCon or become a bigger threat to the town than to the mafia.

J is the town's biggest concern by far atm. Lynch him already.

 

[Overswarm]

OR, we could lynch Gheb, since he is not of Town faction. Cuz Gheb knows if you guys lynch me, he dies toMorrow because he knows I'm not bull****ting.

Lynch Gheb toDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yes, I obviously "know" that. Your conspiracy theories are getting more and more absurd.

I wanna lynch J because he's scum. But you're a much better than lynch than I am. By saying I'm scared to lynch you because I'll die toMorrow you're just adding to the WIFOM muck you're currently wrapping us around in, making you look scummy. Even somebody who's voting me said your tunneling looks scummy. You. Are. Scummy.

You've also tried hard to distract attention from J by moving from an absurd bussing theory to nudging him on the town side. If he flips scum you're next in line.

 

[Overswarm]

Yes, I distracted from the J lynch by naming him and Gova with my initial post on you, and then I distracted even more with my subsequent questioning of J which resulted in wall of texts in response. I am the ultimate distractor.

I am making no theories Gheb; you are the play for toDay, and you will not flip with a town alignment.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yes, I distracted from the J lynch by naming him and Gova with my initial post on you.

Funny how I did the same thing to J yesterDay in a much more forceful manner than you did but I still am thhe one who's bussing him ... so same accusation to you.

 

[Overswarm]

still am thhe one who's bussing him

Hey look he admits it!

I like snippits too.

Vote Gheb, day is done. He'll flip scum, we continue tomorrow.

 

[Overswarm]

Haha, I just realized you didn't just take a quote of context from the previous post, you also replaced the punctuation to make it look like a complete sentence. I've thought of doing something similar in the past as scum, but it's generally pretty obvious to anyone that checks back.

It works better if you simply quote things in chronological order but then switch a few things aroudn so that they were said earlier or later. It's harder to call someone on if you don't say "in chronological order", and people make their own conclusions. "Oh, I didn't realize he said X was scummy right before Y happened!" and the like.

Good try though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Don't see the problem with it. It works as its own sentence and is clearly not taken out of context - the point that you were weakly distancing J still remains the same with or without the punctuation. Panic making over a null tell?

Good try though.

 

[Overswarm]

Yes, I distracted from the J lynch by naming him and Gova with my initial post on you, and then I distracted even more with my subsequent questioning of J which resulted in wall of texts in response. I am the ultimate distractor.

...

Yes, I distracted from the J lynch by naming him and Gova with my initial post on you.

That's not taking it out of context?

You're sunk one way or another Gheb. Just give up. You are the play for toDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

It's not taken out of context.

"Yes, I distracted from the J lynch by naming him and Gova with my initial post on you, and then I distracted even more with my subsequent questioning of J which resulted in wall of texts in response."

Is the same as:

"Yes, I distracted from the J lynch by naming him and Gova with my initial post on you. Then I distracted even more with my subsequent questioning of J which resulted in wall of texts in response."

[note the change of punctuation but how the meaning remains the same]. Gasp at straws moar. You've reached a point where your entire "logic" comes down to "Gheb is scum and everything he says is invalid because he's scum and everything I say about him is correct because he's scum". People have seen through it by now ... that's why they don't buy it anymore.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

vote: OS

Prove Gheb is scum or I'm going to start ending all my posts with "OS is the play for today"

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Glyph, while I appreciate the sentiment you should also understand that you're not helping town this way either. This game is not about blaming or punishing somebody for doing / saying things you don't like. If you act like OS, you're no better than him. If you want this Day to be fruitful J is the one to vote.

 

[Swiss]

Unvote Vote J

/content

 

[Overswarm]

Gheb is the play for toDay.

You get the most information from a Gheb play, by far. You know this.

 

[Swiss]

What information?

And why do we not get this from J?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So you went from "he's scum" to "he will not flip town aligned" to "he will give us the most information by far".

Ignoring the fact that my town flip will give you no info whatsoever [making your whole post a lie] you also have deliberately lowered your standards in order to get this lynch through to a point where not even your motives are questionable but also where you've accepted that the reward is much lower than you make it out to be.

 

[Overswarm]

Explain to me Gheb, why you think I'm pushing for you.

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

Gheb or Swiss, can I get a link to the case against J? I've seen several posts directed at him but I'm not sure which ones you're referring to.