Swiss
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Pro ninjas.
And take back the dice thing. I've been wrong the last two times I've said that.
And take back the dice thing. I've been wrong the last two times I've said that.
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No, I've stated why I want Nabe first and you are still ignoring justfying WHY I should change my vote.I don't see anyone else going after Nabe.
You should go after Gheb instead.
Now you are just trying to tick me off.I refuse to give any reasoning as to why I want you lynched. What could this mean with respect to toMorrow?
You feel other parts of your post were irrelevant.That's the part you respond to....
Not anything else....
But the most irrelevant part of that post....
*facepalm*
I did not know I was already at L-1, but really? I mean seriously? Not a single person on this wagon has stated why I am scum and refuses to even give reasoning or has been putting it off and I am at L-1 because of this. Whatever.Mafia Royal Sleepover
J (5) - Gheb, X1-12, Zen, Swiss, Dark Horse
Gheb (1) OS
*shakes fist at Rockin* =pMafia Royal Sleepover
J (4) - Gheb, X1-12, Zen, Swiss,
Gheb (2) OS, Dark Horse
EDIT: sorry again, messed up the tally a bit x.x;
By self-fulfilling its akin to the "you're scum because you're scum" reasoning. Anything Kuz does is something he would do and because of that it has no effect on his alignment and you found him town for it, which I don't like. It's like saying Swiss is town because he would lie as town. It's like saying you're town because you would AtE as town. I'm not denying the meta, it's just simply meta that I think can't be used to determine alignment. Well, I've been giving my stances as I felt necessary but when someone asks you for something, your actions will be attributed to them asking you and there isn't much you can do about it. You've misunderstood my logic but you should explain was this "telling bonehead move" is. The first question in answered already with regards to why I don't like how you found Kuz town. As for the second question, you came into the game asking other people to ask you questions which I feel is scummy. It allows you to skirt things that happened earlier in the day. Yes. You should answer why you wanted me to talk about you. What purpose would that have served? I'm quite curious because I don't see any benefit for town to ask a question like that because it could only benefit yourself. You also referenced one of my posts as OS' which I will get to later.Self-fulfilling? Explain how.
Also you are trying to deny any and ALL meta with the bolded section. If you were to have actually read why I was saying Kuzi was town is because of the idiotic move he had done. A point to make here as well is you are the pot calling the kettle black in which you have not been commenting at all really unless asked to comment on something and you have not done anything on your own two feet unless it involves you directly so explain that to me. According to your logic you ARE acting exactly like kuzi except making a telling bonehead move.
How does it feel that I have known kuz's alignment before hand?
How does the way I came into the game not sit well with you?
I wanted your opinion on me who has caught the most heat and you continue to say that I am just null after all this controversy over me being lynched?
Why should people ignore the "drama" as you call it enshrouding me?Ignore J drama.
J, vote Gheb. It's your only way to survive today. You want to survive right? You're town, right?
Vote gheb.
What? Go more in depth here.By self-fulfilling its akin to the "you're scum because you're scum" reasoning.
.......? The bolded parts are contradictory. You are saying it has no effect but you are not denying that is a telling sign of kuzi. What type of meta can be used to determine someone's alignment because honestly you are going back and forth here "Well that can't be used to determine alignment but maybe something else could but you can't use that for that person but you could use that for that person." And it's just being a fence sitter. You are trying to dissuade from use of all meta or bits and pieces that you personally do not agree with.Gova said:Anything Kuz does is something he would do and because of that it has no effect on his alignment and you found him town for it, which I don't like. It's like saying Swiss is town because he would lie as town. It's like saying you're town because you would AtE as town. I'm not denying the meta, it's just simply meta that I think can't be used to determine alignment.
What? This paragraph is weirdGova said:Well, I've been giving my stances as I felt necessary but when someone asks you for something, your actions will be attributed to them asking you and there isn't much you can do about it.
I have.Gova said:You've misunderstood my logic but you should explain was this "telling bonehead move" is.
Actually, no you did not but it gave the cover that you did.Gova said:The first question in answered already with regards to why I don't like how you found Kuz town.
*facepalm* Did you even read my big post? If so, you're blind. If not, why didn't you? I addressed this.Gova said:As for the second question, you came into the game asking other people to ask you questions which I feel is scummy. It allows you to skirt things that happened earlier in the day.
I explained why already I wanted you to talk about me...? You are not reading at all what I am saying it seems at this point. I like that little tidbit in which you try and insinuate that I am not town.Gova said:Yes. You should answer why you wanted me to talk about you. What purpose would that have served? I'm quite curious because I don't see any benefit for town to ask a question like that because it could only benefit yourself.
What?Gova said:You also referenced one of my posts as OS' which I will get to later.
You could live toDay. Trust in me. Vote Gheb.Why should people ignore the "drama" as you call it enshrouding me?
For the hundredth time, not until you justify your poorly constructed case and answer all the questions in response to my 1218. Yes, I want to survive to help town but at the point it's feeling hopeless. And yes I'm town.
Dodging prods=/=blatant inactivity, and I already explained both why I was inactive and when I would be available again before this post. Pretty much the point here is that I wasn't lurking or anything, I was just completely absent from SWF for the vast majority of the past week, so don't go calling it lurking.Good to see nothing has changed while I was away. Mentos still dodging prods, DH still not existing, J remaining the play, OS still hasn't learned how to play this game. Makes me more confident in my reads on players. Unsure about the Swiss / X1 exchange ... had neutral to scum reads on either and it really hasn't changed.
Gova, you should post more.
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Summarization: Gheb = nullThat said, I don't see Ghebscum. Quite frankly the case on him isn't all that good, and I'm not going to follow it. I'm not sure enough I wouldn't hammer if it was necessary to get a lynch, but I won't be hopping on the wagon to push him forward.
Summarization: J = null, but okay with him dieing just because he can't read me well? I don't even know what this is.Mentos said:J I can't really read all that well, so no problem there if town thinks it's the best choice.
Summarization: Swiss = null, with an IGMEOUMentos said:Swiss is looking really off from what I've seen of him before, and I'm keeping my eye on him. Haven't seen a lot more than a bunch of barebones posts from him, and that's a lot different than I expect. Really seems to not be putting effort in, which I guess is a null tell since I know he does fine as scum, but it's definitely a drastic difference and I'm going to watch it.
Summarization: Zen = null, leaning scumMentos said:Zen still a potential pick for me, his wanting claims all the time, and just the way he's playing could easily be scum play.
And people get on me for asking questions.Mentos said:Well, I know it's not massive but it's what came to mind as the game freshened itself in my memory. If anyone has anything else they'd like me to address, let me know, I'll be around the rest of the day(doesn't mean I'll be on SWF lurking at all times, but I'll definitely have time to respond tonight)
Lynch Gheb.J is not scum. If people legitimately think otherwise, there needs to be a simple conglomeration of proof explaining why Jscum is the case.
Gova is scum, Gova would post more as town. Look at that block of post that addresses not one part of the actual day's events, his only post in ages, and tell me that he's not scum.
@OS, I am being extremely serious. Make a post without Gheb's name in it. Go one step further and make a post that doesn't reference him in any way, shape or form. If your next post doesn't avoid Gheb altogether, I am going to assume that this is some kind of bizarre posting restriction, since the idea that you simply couldn't be ***** to do it is ridiculous.
There is no depth here. I can re-word so maybe you understand. "It's similar to saying you're scum because I say you are." It's self-fulfilling. I used it that way first because it was in that big post you made so I figured you would understand what I meant.What? Go more in depth here.
They aren't contricatory. I agree it is something that Kuz might do but not something you could determine his alignment from. Show me the bolded. I don't think you can because it's not true. As for the underlined, I am not fence sitting. I am clearly saying that I don't believe that you could have gotten a town read based on what you said. You should show me where I'm trying to dissuade others from using meta, even if I disagree with it because I'm not. If I disagree, it means I think you're wrong and/or lying........? The bolded parts are contradictory. You are saying it has no effect but you are not denying that is a telling sign of kuzi. What type of meta can be used to determine someone's alignment because honestly you are going back and forth here "Well that can't be used to determine alignment but maybe something else could but you can't use that for that person but you could use that for that person." And it's just being a fence sitter. You are trying to dissuade from use of all meta or bits and pieces that you personally do not agree with.
"J, give me your stances on every person in the game." Now you can't do it of your own volition and when or if you give your stances it will be because someone asked you to and not because you wanted to. /example.What? This paragraph is weird
Actually I did but I'll rephrase it so maybe it is easier to understand. I feel that you might have known Kuz' alignment based on the fact that you found him town for reasons I don't believe you should have been able to.Actually, no you did not but it gave the cover that you did.
I'm not insinuating anything. I just don't see a reason for a townie to do that which is why I asked you for one.I explained why already I wanted you to talk about me...? You are not reading at all what I am saying it seems at this point. I like that little tidbit in which you try and insinuate that I am not town.
You quoted a post I made, but referenced said quote as "posted by OS".What?
And yet it's always the townies who AtE in the end.A townie with logic has no reason to AtE, as he can just use logic. Scum, however, might try and use AtE in attempt to have an attacker that could have them lynched back off.
Where?Whats more, sometimes you're AtE is just that: AtE, no logic.
1.) You're still doing nothing other than I pointed out. You're attacking somebody who's attacking you atm [me] and you're still doing nothing other than let yourself be nudged around by Overswarm.Two things:
1. If I haven't done anything, then whats this?
2. Notice the bolded part. You accuse me of only attacking my attackers, yet you decide tp ring up this right as I attack you. Hypoctipsy noted.
So you justify your uselessness by claiming you were V/LA some time during the game and vote me based on OMGUS sentiments - proving exactly what I accused you of?What's more, you then attack for doing Anything, yet I had announced that I was V/LA. The fact that you are attaking me for this is downright awful.
Gheb is scum, he can die.
Classic Grade A bandwagoner.
Facts, as you say - very correct. Just because I don't add any new facts [something I'm actually doing right now] doesn't mean that the old one's don't matter. Especially since you still didn't manage to explain your contradicting stances from yesterDay.Yes, he has added onto the "case" against me but in the end it is nothing but restating the facts.
Back this up with quotes, J. Looks like a blatant lie to me.Now toDay he has seem to be saying "I have called J scum since D1 and it has been obvious to me and I have been attacking him since." Which is straight-up a lie. He has not at all. He has just commented on not liking me this game but when asked by myself (multiple times) he has said not a word to me why he finds me scummy.
That's a nice little story but I'd prefer if you sticked to the facts. It's just a highly subjective viewpoint your presenting here but claiming that I've been "condescending" and that it's "full of crap" is panic making over a null tell.He starts off by openly being condescending by saying that everyone should know his thoughts why he thinks I am scum which is full of crap.
Where is that explanation? I know that I've responded to your points in regards to this subject. You're a dead man if it turns out that I actually responded to it.I already explained the second part but he is choosing to act as if I did not tell him that because of Zen's actions I can infer a townChibo read because of his naivety.
No, I will not do this again. I have linked 5 or 6 posts from yesterDay in a post and linked that post to somebody else again. You're just trying to drag this case to a point where it's too bothersome to even respond.And point out exactly where I have buddied/sat on the fence with either Chibo or Zen?
So you expect me to believe you ... because you say it's "just not true". You have absolutely no substance behind your points. I show in clear detail how your stances are contradicting and the obvious anti-town implications. I proceed to back this up with quote multiple times and you're response is that it's "just not true".He also tries to make me seem like I'm trying to act like an olive branch to an arguement between Zen/Chibo which is just not true.
Yes, I have brought it up. More than once. I think you're just trying to get on my nerves hoping I let off.He is trying to draw things that just are not there. Then he tries to say things like "I cannot comprehend how what J is doing is not manipulative." However he does not bring up exactly what I have don is manipulative so it weakens his point in general.
Except I haven't actually accused anyone of bussing yet. It's was hypothetical scenario and that's painfully obvious when I use a qualifier like "if". If it was an actual "mirror defense" I would've accused him directly. But I didn't.Then he says "Well I'm not bussing but out of the other people X1 is the most likely busser." I mean what is this? This is classic mirror defense in which he tries to bounce blame for the bus onto someone that is not him.
No need to comment on that. Actions speak louder than words and my actions clearly show that Chibo was my #1 yesterDay and you were my #2 pick.Also he never specifically stated that Chibo/J were his top scum picks by the end of D1.
No, he's not town and if you actually get out of your tunnel for once you'd see why. You're also heavily appealing to his emotions without using logic so once again you're a huge hypocrite.J, vote Gheb. It's your only way to survive today. You want to survive right? You're town, right?
This is the only part of your post where you provide reasoning to your stance but even then you clearly nudge a wagon on me. You say you won't hop it but at the same time you give it major support by securing your vote. If you don't see me as scum don't vote me period.That said, I don't see Ghebscum. Quite frankly the case on him isn't all that good, and I'm not going to follow it. I'm not sure enough I wouldn't hammer if it was necessary to get a lynch, but I won't be hopping on the wagon to push him forward.
These are all brief and generic explanation though could have easily been posted by somebody who's been skimming. You also lack reasoning for anybody else except Swiss, which ironically is something I can actually see being the case now.J I can't really read all that well, so no problem there if town thinks it's the best choice.
Swiss is looking really off from what I've seen of him before, and I'm keeping my eye on him. Haven't seen a lot more than a bunch of barebones posts from him, and that's a lot different than I expect. Really seems to not be putting effort in, which I guess is a null tell since I know he does fine as scum, but it's definitely a drastic difference and I'm going to watch it.
Zen still a potential pick for me, his wanting claims all the time, and just the way he's playing could easily be scum play.
No, J has to die toDay. He's leaving too many contradictions and fails to explain things. Not a ****y contradiction like fake posting restriction or harmless things but conflicting stances that show that he's playing for his own good more than for the town.Still need to get through like half of J's post and make a case. But he can live for today probably.
FoS MentosmanGheb=leaning town on him, as evidenced by "I don't see Ghebscum," not null. The only reason I'm willing to hammer there is because it'll get OS out of the tunnel for a bit, and I'm not 100% confident in my read.
J=null, because I can't really read you all that well this game, so I'm fine with you dying despite not having scumread on you.
J, answer this.Personally this is just moronic. Someone who uses emotion has no logic? That's idiots talk and kindof insulting to the way some people play or used to play. AtE is a style choice and some people play that way like myself so no you are wrong that AtE has no logic and that a "normal townie" has no reason to AtE.
Did you actually read what Gheb posted by the way? Yes it oozes with as much AtE as I used to do but there is logic behind what he is saying and it seems he is mostly hurt by the personal attacks by OS which I can understand. OS did cross the line. You can make a case without personally attacking a player. Although I believe Gheb to be scum, there are ways to go about it differently then laughing in his face and other things.
GHeb spontaneously attacks OS for this, has nothing to do with the topic.gheb said:You're only impressing yourself with that. You've been wrong so many times with meta data and embarrassing attempts to break games that one should think that you would've learned from it by now. I don't mind if you continue to be bad at this game but I do mind that you've shown no attempts for improvement whatsoever and talk as if you knew ****. It's no coincidence that games like Bioware were effectively won after you got killed because before that you were doing a good job ruining it. And that's what you're doing right now with awful reasoning.
Says that Os makes "Fake SPiderwebs". He never states when, and doesnt have anything backing up his statement. As for what hes attacking, the definition of "SPiderweb" is something that OS doesn't use in that point.gheb again said:You confuse me with yourself, Overswarm. You're the one who makes fake spiderweb. I merely question the people I feel who do that.
....absolutley no defense at all. Just AtR.gheb a third time said:Cool story, bro.
I'll arrange the quotes later.Give substance as to why Zen is scum because to my reads of his posts, it's seeming town. Tell me why Zen is scum.
THen are you saying that this is useless? BEcause iirc, he said that I was just riding my claim.Point one is a cute attempt to twist Gheb's wording.
You've missed something:*quote that was here*
If either Zen/X1's slot/Gheb isn't scum, he's probably scum. Singling out gova, and not explaining how me/OS/ are a scum team, and contradictions about gheb (He says that gheb is chibos mason parter,but in that same post he says that gheb could be potentially scum?). Compared to my scumpicks, he's not on their level, however.What do you think of Nabe, Dark Horse?[/COLOR]
GHeb, if it was such a scumtell, then why would scum not do it?And yet it's always the townies who AtE in the end.
Count one and one together. If AtE was such an infallible scum tell then what scumbag in their right mind would do that.
Shown already.Where?
SO maybe I have. HOwever, does that mean that I m contributing nothing, just riding my claim?1.) You're still doing nothing other than I pointed out. You're attacking somebody who's attacking you atm [me]
Quite a statement, especially considering me and OS are attacking you for almost completely different reasons.be nudged around by Overswarm.
Okay gheb.2.) Bullshit. First of all I accused you of attacking exclusively the people who attack you [something I clearly don't]. Second, you just continue to prove me right by attacking me and nobody else.
Gheb, I was V/LA the exact time you accused me, not "some time during this game".So you justify your uselessness by claiming you were V/LA some time during the game and vote me based on OMGUS sentiments - proving exactly what I accused you of?