Mafia Royal Sleepover - The Party has been Crashed! Mafia Wins!

[mentosman8]

Man, I shoulda done this earlier in the week, but after working 10.5 hours on my day off today I can't fool myself into thinking I'm going to be able to get anything done until my day off Monday, so V/LA until Monday. I apologize to everyone for my inactivity this past week, but work has been ridiculous and I haven't been able to focus whatsoever. If weather changes tomorrow and we get rain or something I might get something up then, otherwise it's pretty much positive I won't be caught up until Monday. Sorry again for not saying something earlier>_>(and major apologies to both mods for the games I'm in most of all :/ )

 

[X1-12]

Gova, talk about me.

Usually you can read me well though (aimmafia albeit) this is our first forum game together disregarding your first newbie game.

lol


scum


http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12175976&postcount=966

lol

scum. Tells OS he is wrong (and is wrong ALL the time) before OS has even posted reasoning

Kay, Zen's town and I am 100% more comfortable with handholding with him.

DH is meh and I'm not confident in putting a vote on him.

Vote: Gova

Good with putting a vote here. Hmm I wonder what this will do.

Go Questions Go.

faux-pressure go!

(Why say its a pressure vote if it truly is?)


@OS: Don't take too much from J's lists in terms of connections. If someone writes out like a whole list of questions for people, they'll generally think about connections that could be formed from that, even J would I think.

@OS: Any reason why it has to be Gheb toDay specifically?

cba to read thread so I will look at Swiss' posts and tell you if he is town.

 

[X1-12]

cba to read thread so I will look at Swiss' posts and tell you if he is town.

He is (95% sure)

as is Zen

OS probably is too


Still cool with my J vote. Him saying "Gova, you can read me, am I scum?" Sounds like overconfident scum thinking they can get extra large town points by getting town reads from someone someone who can read them.

imo same post makes me think Jscum = GovaTown.

The posts I saw of Nabe didn't do anything to make me retract my scumread on him.

Gheb is feasible scum.

 

[Overswarm]

@OS: Don't take too much from J's lists in terms of connections. If someone writes out like a whole list of questions for people, they'll generally think about connections that could be formed from that, even J would I think.

That's why it's easy to read them.

@OS: Any reason why it has to be Gheb toDay specifically?

He's the most obvious scum. Others are potentially, but not nearly as scummy. I've observed J over many games, and his play in this game could conceivably be town play even though it is poorly though out.

Vote Gheb. He is the play for toDay.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Back from V/LA. Lemme check what's been posted.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Good to see nothing has changed while I was away. Mentos still dodging prods, DH still not existing, J remaining the play, OS still hasn't learned how to play this game. Makes me more confident in my reads on players. Unsure about the Swiss / X1 exchange ... had neutral to scum reads on either and it really hasn't changed.

Gova, you should post more.

 

[Overswarm]

You are the play, Gheb.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I challenge you to make one post where you don't say that.

 

[X1-12]

@Mod: Request Replacement

I really should have done this a while ago. Sorry guys and sorry Rockin. I didn't want to replace out and I have a week off school starting tomorrow, I thought I'd be able to catch up then but the time is just getting eaten away by other stuff, sorry I can't play this game properly so I gotta replace.



@Chibo: Stop tunnelling Zen

@Zen: After J/Gheb have gone or whatever, push for Nabe before Gova imo. Make sure Nabe is in claim range at least like 48 hours before deadline just incase he is the mason. If he is lynch Gova obviously. Remember Gova just always seems to play the same kinda way. I don't remember his YTM play being any different to his Newb9 play, I think he just always plays like that and looks a bit scummy because of it. Also do you find it weird that OS found Gheb as scum first, surely J and whoever are easier to read than Gheb? Just dumping stuff now.

Likeliest scum: J, Gheb, Nabe

Could be scum hiding in (relative order of likelihood): Mentos >>>> OS > Swiss

Sorry for not playing this game really properly, should have replaced out much earlier

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

DH is not scum with Ghebscum. Also it's way too informed and way too confident for a player who hasn't posted once toDay before then.

Is there anything wrong with terracing, and seeing scummy actions, and maintaining the stance?

What's wrong with AtE as long as I provide logic beside it? Answer this, DH or else you're only parroting a case that's already weak enough as it is.

A townie with logic has no reason to AtE, as he can just use logic. Scum, however, might try and use AtE in attempt to have an attacker that could have them lynched back off.

Whats more, sometimes you're AtE is just that: AtE, no logic.

Also, the timing of your post is curious to say the least. Surely, you couldn't have missed Zen proposing a mass claim, correct? How is that not worth any attention from you?

Did you honestly think I didn't see that?

Zen is scum, for that and other reasons.

You haven't done **** this game, DH. You've cruised through Day 1 almost exclusively attacking your attackers. You've done nothing but ride your claim while providing no results whatsoever. And when it come down to it you of all people were the one to accuse kuz of riding his claim.

Two things:

1. If I haven't done anything, then whats this?

2. Notice the bolded part. You accuse me of only attacking my attackers, yet you decide tp ring up this right as I attack you. Hypoctipsy noted.


What's more, you then attack for doing Anything, yet I had announced that I was V/LA. The fact that you are attaking me for this is downright awful.

Gheb is scum, he can die.


Vote: Gheb

 

[Overswarm]

more votes on Gheb plox

 

[Xivii]

J first.

 

[#HBC | J]

*sigh*

Back to this game I guess now that I'm back from V/LA caught up in everything but this game. Zen where's that case you promised?

 

[Overswarm]

Not J.

Gheb.

 

[Xivii]

Your playerslot is my case.


(busy)

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I challenge you to make one post where you don't say that.

@Overswarm

 

[#HBC | J]

I challenge Zen as well to make one post where he doesn't say that I am scum.

Post incoming.

 

[#HBC | J]

Alright let me adresse the entire "case" again me at once because to be honest it is just one of the dumbest cases I have seen in my mafia history and I've seen some dumb cases. It is entirely baseless and everyone has just said "Yea J is scum, let's just lynch him." And no one, not a single person has backed up their reasoning besides some people a bit. I am using the term backing up lightly as I can. Let me get to my main attackers.

Zen

Zen tunnels me regardless of alignment. He just does not mesh with my play-style when we are the same alignment and continues to say I am scum until I am lynched. It is like a complex to which I must be scum one time and prove he is right but every time he has been flat out wrong. However this game he has not brought up anything saying I am scum besides, "lol J is so obvscum we need to lynch him ASAP." His case is also hypocritic in the sense that it is based on me calling him town when I came into the game which I normally do when I have a read on him and he just does not like it to admit someone else is right about his alignment and that he can be read. It's hypocritic in the sense that he hasn't called anyone else that has just called him town without reasoning. But has persued me because apparantly to him "it's a scum tell." Which in it's own is ridiculous. Zen is town BECAUSE OF THIS NONSENSE. I am just going to tune him out when he is screaming his nonsense because that is all it is, nonsense. There is nothing to listen to besides blithering and posts that just consist of this:

J first.

He is exactly the same way as OS this game besides the personal insults and yet (Soon he will) to post his baseless case that holds no air. All it will hold is conjecture as to why he personally believes me to be scum which he hasn't stated at all. All he has stated is that I am scum because he says so.

Gheb

Classic Grade A bandwagoner. Yes, he has added onto the "case" against me but in the end it is nothing but restating the facts. Now toDay he has seem to be saying "I have called J scum since D1 and it has been obvious to me and I have been attacking him since." Which is straight-up a lie. He has not at all. He has just commented on not liking me this game but when asked by myself (multiple times) he has said not a word to me why he finds me scummy. Then toDay he makes this post:

My reasoning for thinking J is scum has been - and should be - very much clear at this point. How can he think of you as the strongest town read in the game and not even take note of the fact that Chibo has tunneled you all of yesterDay? That's what we call "selective reading", probably to buddy both sides of that argument. I don't think I've seen a post where he actually tries to logically explain how this conflict between you and Chibo doesn't contradict his own stances, despite more than one call-out from my side.

In fact, I actually explained on Gova's request why Chibo's play is closer to his scum play than his town meta [which is why I still went with the Chibo lynch at first], which should make pretty clear why I'm not OK with J trying to play the peace bringer in that scenario.

I don't see how this is not enough to push for the lynch from my POV. That play is definitely manipulative and it benefits more himself than the rest of the town [especially in the long run upon one of the involved player's flip]. If that is supposed to be a bus then you still owe me a good explanation on how OS weak attempt to lump me with J and X1's lack of explanation at all [when his push came a lot later than mine] are any better. I'd say out of Zen, X1, OS and me X1 is the most likely player to bus him because he has offered the least reasoning, was the latest to join yesterDay and has been more vocal about another lynch [kuz] than the rest of us.

My two main suspects at the end of D1 were Chibo and J ... that can not be missed if you have read things that happened shortly before the hammer and in twilight.

He starts off by openly being condescending by saying that everyone should know his thoughts why he thinks I am scum which is full of crap. I already explained the second part but he is choosing to act as if I did not tell him that because of Zen's actions I can infer a townChibo read because of his naivety. He acts like Mr. Veteran by saying "That's what we call selective reading." When it is not at all. And point out exactly where I have buddied/sat on the fence with either Chibo or Zen? Again he tries to ignore that I answered his question to try and make his point against me seem stronger. When he brings up the Gova instance it is basically pointing out a smaller version of chain-saw defense but reversed, "Because he does not agree with me on my Chiboscum reasoning, therefore I like him alot less." He also tries to make me seem like I'm trying to act like an olive branch to an arguement between Zen/Chibo which is just not true. He is trying to draw things that just are not there. Then he tries to say things like "I cannot comprehend how what J is doing is not manipulative." However he does not bring up exactly what I have don is manipulative so it weakens his point in general. Then he says "Well I'm not bussing but out of the other people X1 is the most likely busser." I mean what is this? This is classic mirror defense in which he tries to bounce blame for the bus onto someone that is not him. Also he never specifically stated that Chibo/J were his top scum picks by the end of D1.

OS

Not smart. All he has done today is come into the game and tunnel Gheb out of the blue. He tries to scrounge everything he can to try and convince people that Gheb is scum. He actually has done so which astounds me because of some of the logic he uses regarding the NK in which pretty much EVERYONE knows the FF joke about him dieing N1 every game regardless. He also extrapolates that every single post Gheb has made in this game is scum and full of crap and tries to peg the entire scum-team in a single blow. It astounds me the conjecture someone could use and get away with it. All OS has been doing is shoving WIFOM and this town is just playing follow the Shepard. It's just as bad as Zen's non-existant case on me. Zen and OS are the same in which that they get a tunnel vision set of mind in which they MUST be right and they are never wrong. OS' clear example of this is his play in All-Stars mafia which was ridiculous when he decided to tunnel Tandora and Praxis which almost cost them the win right then and there even though they lost in the end.

J's red flag.

J is about as subtle as Gheb.

How is that post a red flag? It was my first real post into the game so explain. No one has done so whatsoever and just said, "Yea that's pri scummy bro." Where is the explanation?

K, so here they are.

J - So my biggest problem with you is your town read on Kuz. It makes no sense to me because your logic is self-fulfilling imo. Kuz is himself and anything he does is something that he would do so it has no affect on his alignment and it bugs me how you could see him town for that espically since he was prod-dodging/coasting/inactive or whatever you want to call it and not really adding content till the wagon built up against him. It just feels to me like you might have known Kuz's alignment before hand. The way you came into the game didn't sit well with me either. Also, again, why did you want me to talk about you? Other than that I really have nothing agianst you which why I had you at null.

Self-fulfilling? Explain how.
Also you are trying to deny any and ALL meta with the bolded section. If you were to have actually read why I was saying Kuzi was town is because of the idiotic move he had done. A point to make here as well is you are the pot calling the kettle black in which you have not been commenting at all really unless asked to comment on something and you have not done anything on your own two feet unless it involves you directly so explain that to me. According to your logic you ARE acting exactly like kuzi except making a telling bonehead move.
How does it feel that I have known kuz's alignment before hand?
How does the way I came into the game not sit well with you?
I wanted your opinion on me who has caught the most heat and you continue to say that I am just null after all this controversy over me being lynched?

Swiss

Terrible Poster. That pretty much sums up Swiss in a nutshell this game, he has been skimming, his points are outdated and just tend to be not here. He has a little follower in Nabe and doesn't mind the fact that someone just wants to leech off of him and his reads. However when I try and think of memorable things he has done since he replaced into the game absolutely nothing comes to mind. He had a bout with me when he came in and then he makes this terrible post:

V Just finished post. Literally no content in here FYI. Terrible post.

Agreed. Terrible post.

lol


scum


http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12175976&postcount=966

lol

scum. Tells OS he is wrong (and is wrong ALL the time) before OS has even posted reasoning



faux-pressure go!

(Why say its a pressure vote if it truly is?)


@OS: Don't take too much from J's lists in terms of connections. If someone writes out like a whole list of questions for people, they'll generally think about connections that could be formed from that, even J would I think.

@OS: Any reason why it has to be Gheb toDay specifically?

cba to read thread so I will look at Swiss' posts and tell you if he is town.

He takes teeny tiny jabs at who is looking like the most scummy and tries to parrot without looking like he is which is just underhanded. He has not taken a decision that goes against the flow of the town's thought process. He calls out posts that he thinks are scummy but doesn't explain WHY he thinks they are scummy. He also pulls up the RVS post that everyone has an effing problem with. Then he tries to advice dog OS and add a little jab that saying even a n00b such as J would think to lead false trails. Then he asks a question that has been asked all day but OS has ignored it and should know that he would ignore that question or answer it with his cookie cutter "Cuz Gheb is scum." response.

I could call this wagon on me an entire dictionary of insults but I'm just gonna keep this to a single word that explains it all: Stupid. Not a single person has decided to explain to me nor anyone else why I am scum BESIDES just cuz. The reasons why people think I am scum are as follows.

1.) An RVS post I made.
2.) My Kuzi defense
3.) Asking people to ask me questions
4.) ....

I'm drawing a blank after 3 because that is all people just have been repeating with nothing else to add to the current argument.

Zen
Chibo
OS
Dark Horse
Mentos/Gova
Swiss
X1-12
Gheb
Nabe

I'm good with anyone in the red.

Nabe I have not mentioned why he is the top of my scum-pick this game. He comes into the game saying that he will be following Swiss all game just parroting him and the part about this that is a kicker is that he has been for the most part! Nabe has also been acting scummy by only talking when it seems good for him to be able to talk and is trying to dissuade both my lynch and Gheb's lynch and adding the third option Gova to the mix. Most of his posts are just tiny one-liners that show no info whatsoever into them and when Nabe is town, he loves to speak his mind on what is going on and tell what is going down but ever since he has come into the game he has been playing Mr. Peanut Gallery. Only lately has he started to speak up more. I also do not like his proclamation to OS that Gheb is not scum and that he cannot possibly see that he is mafia. Anything is possible but he shuts off his mind to other situations just like Zen/OS have done with their tunnel targets. His reasoning however is even weaker/non-existant as Zen's and OS'. Then he says Gova is scum and needs to be lynched and provides no reasoning as to why he should be lynched besides the typical answer that everyone uses on their picks "They are scum because they are scum." This phrase is letting people getting away with calling people scum for no reason whatsoever and it is driving me insane to no end. It's ********. Nabe is playing actively anti-town and scummy to the highest degree to me at the moment and deserves to die. That is where my vote is currently and that is where my vote is staying till I can see something better. I am not opposed to a Gheb lynch and would be happy to hammer him but I want a Nabe lynch.

 

[#HBC | J]

That is probably one of the largest posts I have ever made in my mafia career....

*phew*

Now I am caught up/adressed what I've wanted.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

J, I think Gheb is Chibo's mason partner. I previously thought it was Gova, hence the flop because I realized I was very likely wrong. I told Swiss I'd be parroting him because I thought he was likely to carry me well; I was in too many games. My obligations in other games have since gone to pasture, and I've posted more as a result. Let me know if any of my other reads are unclear.

J isn't scum, scum would take a stance on Gheb/OS instead of decrying both. OS/DH imo looks very likely, the more DH posts. Gova could be third. To X1 who said Gova posted like this in Youtube, I'd disagree, although maybe I should take a look at Newbie 9(?) for another take. But his play has been spotty as hell and I really think we're seeing Govascum here.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Nabe, why do you think Gheb is chibo's mason parter?

 

[Overswarm]

J's still stupid.

We should lynch Gheb toDay.

 

[#HBC | J]

J's still stupid.

We should lynch Gheb toDay.

Care to explain why? The only one who looks really stupid is the ones just saying "Lynch Gheb just cuz!" or "No lynch J just cuz!".

I actually am debating on not lynching Gheb just to spite you because your lack of justified reasoning and your overall attitude.

 

[Overswarm]

Care to explain why? The only one who looks really stupid is the ones just saying "Lynch Gheb just cuz!" or "No lynch J just cuz!".

I actually am debating on not lynching Gheb just to spite you because your lack of justified reasoning and your overall attitude.

Sounds like something pro-town. Also seems like you've been okay with lynching Gheb prior. Why's that? What do you gain from not lynching Gheb other than self-satisfaction?

Gheb is the play for toDay.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, Gheb is a scum pick of mine and I wouldn't mind seeing him dieing but your reasoning is just god awful and holds nothing substancial. It may seem childish but sometimes people's egos need to be popped.

You ignored my question.

And you fail at this challenge to the extreme.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

J, what about my reasoning?

 

[#HBC | J]

Glad you brought that up.

A townie with logic has no reason to AtE, as he can just use logic. Scum, however, might try and use AtE in attempt to have an attacker that could have them lynched back off.

Whats more, sometimes you're AtE is just that: AtE, no logic.

Personally this is just moronic. Someone who uses emotion has no logic? That's idiots talk and kindof insulting to the way some people play or used to play. AtE is a style choice and some people play that way like myself so no you are wrong that AtE has no logic and that a "normal townie" has no reason to AtE.

Did you actually read what Gheb posted by the way? Yes it oozes with as much AtE as I used to do but there is logic behind what he is saying and it seems he is mostly hurt by the personal attacks by OS which I can understand. OS did cross the line. You can make a case without personally attacking a player. Although I believe Gheb to be scum, there are ways to go about it differently then laughing in his face and other things.

Did you honestly think I didn't see that?

Zen is scum, for that and other reasons.

Give substance as to why Zen is scum because to my reads of his posts, it's seeming town. Tell me why Zen is scum.

Two things:

1. If I haven't done anything, then whats this?

2. Notice the bolded part. You accuse me of only attacking my attackers, yet you decide tp ring up this right as I attack you. Hypoctipsy noted.

Point one is a cute attempt to twist Gheb's wording.
Point two is actually somewhat good.

What's more, you then attack for doing Anything, yet I had announced that I was V/LA. The fact that you are attaking me for this is downright awful.

Gheb is scum, he can die.

Now who's the one using AtE to make a point seem harsher? The bolded line.

Overall your reasoning is not well justified besides that one point I can agree with. However the reason I do not agree with the reasoning is because you are saying something not smart in that anyone who uses AtE holds no logic. You call out Zen as scum but do no state why and just say "Because of this that and those!" Which really is nothing.

What do you think of Nabe, Dark Horse?

 

[Overswarm]

Yes, Gheb is a scum pick of mine and I wouldn't mind seeing him dieing but your reasoning is just god awful and holds nothing substancial. It may seem childish but sometimes people's egos need to be popped.

You ignored my question.

And you fail at this challenge to the extreme.

Sounds like town reasoning again. Go against your scum pick to show a townie a lesson. Good self control. Definitely not stupid.

Your reasoning seems similar to Ghebs. You should try the "outrage / calm" disparity in the future, it draws less correlation between the two. Good whether you're town or scum after Gheb's flip, since I don't think anyone here would be willing to save you after his flip.

 

[#HBC | J]

Sounds like town reasoning again. Go against your scum pick to show a townie a lesson. Good self control. Definitely not stupid.

Your reasoning seems similar to Ghebs. You should try the "outrage / calm" disparity in the future, it draws less correlation between the two. Good whether you're town or scum after Gheb's flip, since I don't think anyone here would be willing to save you after his flip.

I have no proof you are town, I'm just following what I have seen from your play which is a cookie cutter of your All-Stars play in which what you tried to do was exactly what you were trying to do to Tandora to Gheb. So "showing a townie" and you have not justified Gheb's lynch yet to me and that is the true stupidity of the matter.

What are you talking about in the second paragraph because what it seems is a bunch of dribble.

 

[#HBC | J]

Also I'm waiting on you to respond to my 1218 so chop chop.

 

[#HBC | J]

@Mod: Request prod on Gova/Swiss

 

[Swiss]

>_>

I'm talking to you. NOW. On AIM.

Just got on SWF after buying my suit.

And have just posted in another game.

And you think I need a prod?

SRS GET LYNCHED.

 

[Overswarm]

I have no proof you are town, I'm just following what I have seen from your play which is a cookie cutter of your All-Stars play in which what you tried to do was exactly what you were trying to do to Tandora to Gheb. So "showing a townie" and you have not justified Gheb's lynch yet to me and that is the true stupidity of the matter.

What are you talking about in the second paragraph because what it seems is a bunch of dribble.

request prod on swiss while viewing thread
noted


I did respond to your previous post. I said "J is still stupid" and then said "Gheb is the play for toDay".

Why aren't you voting Gheb, J? He's your scumpick, right? Why protect him?

 

[Overswarm]

>_>

I'm talking to you. NOW. On AIM.

Just got on SWF after buying my suit.

And have just posted in another game.

And you think I need a prod?

SRS GET LYNCHED.

Later. Gheb toDay.

 

[Swiss]

Also I don't recall having anything to add. Other than the fact I have a terrible desire to follow OS.

Must....Resist


J's scum. Would stake my dice on that.

 

[Overswarm]

But Gheb first.

Vote Gheb, Swiss.

 

[#HBC | J]

I did respond to your previous post. I said "J is still stupid" and then said "Gheb is the play for toDay".

Why aren't you voting Gheb, J? He's your scumpick, right? Why protect him?

That's not a response, that's just being curt.

Protecting him? Hell no. I want Nabe as I've said and that's why I'm not voting him.

 

[Overswarm]

That's not a response, that's just being curt.

Protecting him? Hell no. I want Nabe as I've said and that's why I'm not voting him.

I don't see anyone else going after Nabe.

You should go after Gheb instead.

 

[#HBC | J]

>_>

I'm talking to you. NOW. On AIM.

Just got on SWF after buying my suit.

And have just posted in another game.

And you think I need a prod?

SRS GET LYNCHED.

Your last post was 2/17 and Gova's last post was 2/16 so yes you do deserve a prod. Surprising reaction to requesting a prod to you and Swiss, even though we may be talking outside of the game, it has nothing to do with your inactivity in this game.

 

[#HBC | J]

J's scum. Would stake my dice on that.

Why? You've yet to give good, and I mean good reasoning as to why I am scum.