Mafia Barhouse Sleepover: "Hey Town, drinks are on me!"

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Mafia roleblocker explains why summoner is still around.

Unless, of course LOL GAMBIT, but I'm gonna stop letting that distract me for now.

I'm actually pretty sympathetic to Ronike's call for a mass nameclaim at this point. Let's look at the facts:

1.) IIRC all the town flips have been villains in their respective games
2.) AFAIK the only confirmed flipped anti-town player was a "good guy" in her game
3.) Riddle claimed his ACTUAL CHARACTER, i.e. what he flipped.

This leads me to believe that the mafia DO NOT have provided safeclaims. Though I could see the janitor simply being an exception by virtue of the fact that shes the ****ing janitor, I still believe it is very probable that the mafia may not have safeclaims.

My reason for holding off on nameclaiming earlier was because I wanted to see if this good guy/bad guy trend developed, and furthermore, if anymore people would get Jan'd. Though initially one of the points in favor of nameclaiming was to get all the names out there so we would know what people were if they got jan'd (namewise that is), even though that point is now moot, the strength of the trend is strong enough that I feel nameclaiming could put the mafia in a tight spot.

@ Ronike, would you reveal your "secret reason" for wanting a nameclaim immediately after everyone claims?

Also not liking mentos fear mongering by saying nameclaim is dangerous because it could help some ****ing bull**** indy lyncher type role fulfill a wincon. Like, just yuck.

 

[Tom]

summoner - and what do you think about what you posted, instead of asking what everyone else thinks

junglefever - ok then, perform and i wont want to lynch you anymore

steel - where you at

ronike - im not too keen on an "ulterior motive" of yours. i feel like you are just gambiting because you think that a name claim will do us good and will reveal a claim that sticks out as scum and you actually dont have any special power or information. you just want a name claim really bad.

frozenflame - "fear mongering?" really? i disagree with that. also what are your thoughts on gheb.

virgilijus was against a name claim... =[

im going to go ahead and just tally it up

For Nameclaim: Ronike, Frozenflame
Against Nameclaim: Tom, Mentosman

Not Yet Tallied: Nix, Summoner, Gheb, Steel, Junglefever

everyone should hop on this so we can just solve it and get on with it.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

frozenflame - "fear mongering?" really? i disagree with that. also what are your thoughts on gheb.

How is it not blatant fear mongering? He said he didn't want a nameclaim because he was afraid that Ronike's "ulterior motives" were derived from some character specific win condition or some other completely bull**** indy role that I'll ****ing murder Rockin if he ruined this game by putting such a role in it.

Basically, using an LoA of "an obscure indy role might need just that info to win" isn't passable, and really is just trying to dissuade an action based on the fear of some random faction getting an auto win from it.

As for Gheb, his play has been very "decided", if that makes any sense. I don't really mean like decisive, but what I'm trying to say is he seems to have already reached a lot of conclusions about players in this game, has confident reads, etc. but hasn't really taken much time to elaborate on them. Not that he hasn't been elaborating at all or anything, he's just been very quick to have a lynch target and begin a push as if he were thoroughly convinced of his reads without needing much public debate.

He's either just a very confident townie or scum trying to pose as such and bluff having behind the scenes analysis while actually just latching on and trying to push mislynches without building giant "sand castles" of stances that are tough to keep from crumbling later in the game.

On a final note, even though I support the name claim I'll agree with Tom that we should just have a majority vote on the matter and go with that. The likely marginal gains and losses of this plan aren't so great that this warrants much more arguing over.

 

[Tom]

it doesnt matter how much you would dislike it to happen - there could be a character who wants to kill another character in this game.

it isn't the only reason to dislike a name claim. i guess i understand why you would point out that its not a good enough reason on its own. but i understand mentos' point of view as well and agree with it. i dont think he is fear-mongering, though. perhaps that is his main reason for disliking it.

i agree that gheb is very decided. i also dont know what it means about his alignment. i wish you, or someone, did. until then, i really dont see myself lynching him any time soon.



people should decide where they stand on the mass name-claim in their next posts, and if majority decides to do it, i guess it cant be helped, and i will do it too. though i am against it, and think we can and should have claims as we have lynches.

 

[SummonerAU]

Since I'm already a claimed cop, I don't know if it matters that my name is out there.

Too bad if it does. I'm Drawica.

Oh, I didn't think it was anything Tom, I just remembered it when I saw two people ask me about my investigation. Mentos answered it though so whatever. I'll look at the game after it's over and see if there's anything to it.

 

[Tom]

junglefever, when you finish your read, why dont you either post three players that you think are town, or post two players that you think are scum, and your reasons why. if steel impresses me and you do not, expect me to push your lynch over his.

steel-kun, you need to join the activity. if you haven't noticed, you are the likely lynch. are you going to do something about that? are you going to give us something to work with? please re-read the game - it will take only an hour of your time - and tell me who you think is scum and why. is it junglefever for his inactivity? do you think ronike is playing a one-trick game right now? do you think he would push this hard for a name-claim as scum? do you think frozenflame would argue with me like this as scum? can you determine anything from gheb's play? are you comfortable with mentosman, and if not, why not? do you believe summoner-sama can bring us to the holy land? do you think nix contributes enough to be worthwhile?

ronike, the mass name-claim will either happen or it wont. removing that completely from the equation, who do you think is scum? not relying on the name-claim, are there people who bother you? or is it just me?

Nix, are you for or against a name claim, and why? what do you think about gheb, and what do you think about frozenflame? how is your play different from steel's, and how is it different from junglefever's? what do you think are the odds that summoner is scum gambiting? what do you think happened to the second kill on night 2?

gheb, can you give me your basic reads on all players? besides eliminating steel and calling it a day 3, who are your other suspects? do you trust ronike and/or frozenflame; do you trust me? why do you think the four of us are still alive? looking at his opinions and connections, why do you think virgilijus was killed? i have a theory.

mentosman - where do you think ronike's persistent insistence on a massclaim comes from? what do you think are his most likely motivations? who would you shoot right now if you were given a 24 hour day vig power?

the other Tom - can you tell us more about how you were roleblocked? No one has claimed to have been roleblocked Night 1, or "knocked on the head" Night 1. Why do you think there is this absence? does anyone want to claim "knocked on the head" Night 1? I firmly believe Virgilijus would have mentioned it if he was, so I don't think there is any reason for a roleblock to be missing. Who do you want to lynch today? Who did you try to investigate last night, and why?

rockin, why is the first post still ****ed up looking at the dead people? it is all scrambled and out of order. it looks unorganized and gross. you should do it like i do it.

xiivi, what is love? baby, dont hurt me. dont hurt me... no more. what is love?

 

[Tom]

ninja'd by summoner: are you for or against a mass name claim?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're right, I was inactive. Inactive, Not lurking. I'm sure you know the difference.

I never thought of mafia janning SK D1. It's an interesting idea.

There were a lot of interactions with other players and Virg, iirc. Or at least, others talking about Virg. Gonna go back and reread with the flip in mind.

Stalling.

Hey guys. Thoughts on this scum tell listed on mafiascum.

"Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor". "

I dunno lol.

Emphasis mine.

Not exactly a credible source

So who all is actually deadset against nameclaims? Cause so far it's just Tom and Mentos, conveniently the same amount of people as could be scum. If we name claim, I can nigh guaruntee we'll be lynching scum today. However the chances go down should you force me to tell you why I want one, so I'd rather not reveal unless I have to

I'm OK with the mass name claim. If we do it I assume we do it the "same old way" aka everybody lists his top 3 candidates for a name claim? If that's the case I want Steel, Jungle and Mentos to claim first (in that order).

1.) IIRC all the town flips have been villains in their respective games
2.) AFAIK the only confirmed flipped anti-town player was a "good guy" in her game
3.) Riddle claimed his ACTUAL CHARACTER, i.e. what he flipped.

This leads me to believe that the mafia DO NOT have provided safeclaims. Though I could see the janitor simply being an exception by virtue of the fact that shes the ****ing janitor, I still believe it is very probable that the mafia may not have safeclaims.

Even if the janitor doesn't have his individual safe claim I think it should still be possible for the mafia to share their safeclaims among them - if they actually have any, that is.

Also not liking mentos fear mongering by saying nameclaim is dangerous because it could help some ****ing bull**** indy lyncher type role fulfill a wincon. Like, just yuck.

Gonna have to agree here, mentos. This post is really iffy:

And I've seen roles that target specific characters for their win condition before, so I don't really want to do it if you have an ulterior motive. Not to mention, not a single one of Rockin's games have been able to be broken by nameclaims, why would we assume this one can?

So what you're trying to say is that a killer could be in the game who has to target a certain character during the night phase in order to win? When was the time we actually had such a role? If you count mindscrew mafia (which I wouldn't) we had a grand total of 2 times where such a role appeared - the Mindscrew game (which tends to have lots of shitty roles) and Potter Mafia which is more than a year old by now. I think it's not a huge stretch to say that you're pushing an unlikely scenario here especially since all flavour "evidence" we have so far points toward a name claim being actually helpful.

You're jumping conclusions hastily I think and that's not the first time in this game. Being so certain about the SK being janned earlier also made me raise my eyebrow. You don't even consider the possible existence of a Vigilante? Or a successful protection by the doctor? Or that there are other roles that can kill? A witch or an interceptor is more likely than the existence of a killer. Hell, Rockin's last Sleepover game even had a freaking PGO. Who knows what he came up with this time.

Logical leaps like this one can be dangerous.

 

[Tom]

Too bad if it does. I'm Drawica.

who is that? what game is she from? what does it say about you in your role pm? how is she a cop?

WOW major ninja by gheb, will read it.

 

[Tom]

if we must name claim, popcorn style would be nice like gheb said.

 

[SummonerAU]

Why would someone with a role claim they were rolebloacked N1 for no reason? "Hey guys, I'm a PR and thought you'd like to know I was roleblocked".

Actually reading it again, it doesn't say I was roleblocked, I just assumed I was from the flavour. It says I didn't get a result on the person. Unless you want to say 'person' is scum with investigation protection.

I see no reason to reveal who it was so you'll have to give me one. Right now, I dunno, if people are happy with a Steel lynch whatever. I don't really see what the big deal is but I don't really know Steel. I dunno I'm also kinda mad paranoid about you Tom but for no real reason I can put into words.

 

[SummonerAU]

1) Mentos
2) Tom
3) Steel

 

[SummonerAU]

Google "Drawcia"
I dunno how she's a cop, I haven't played the game.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

gheb, can you give me your basic reads on all players?

Summoner I consider p. much clear.

Mentos I'm fairly suspicious of. His reasoning against name claims and the janned SK are reaching and potentially misleading. Earlier actions and voting patterns imply opportunism.

Steel I think is scum for his constant nudging and buddying all game. He's also coasting.

Jungle is highly suspect for his ridiculous stalling. Every time he "comes back to do a reread" he magically disappears again.

Nix looks like the townie Nix from Batmafia. Most townie player so far imo

besides eliminating steel and calling it a day 3, who are your other suspects?

Jungle and Mentos.

do you trust ronike and/or frozenflame

I trust frozenflame more than Ronike but I trust neither of them a lot in general. I agree with the mass name claim but I think it's an awkwardly safe stance for Ronike to take. Especially the "everybody who's against my ideas is scum"-attitude is just downright silly.

Frozenflame speaks lots of truth's in general and I'm thinking similar about mentos as he does I think.

do you trust me?

I don't trust anyone in a mafia game ever. Not much I've seen of you so far is agreeable to me - your stance on mentos and mass claiming is contradictory to mine and we also had a major disagreement at the end of D1 concerning Chibo.

why do you think the four of us are still alive?

I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" answer to that kind of question. Each possibility is just as likely as the other. Maybe it's WIFOM or maybe scum just felt more threatened by the other players. Maybe they try to set somebody up as a scapegoat for a lylo situation or maybe they try to get somebody paranoid.

Personally, I'd say it's a mix of all these possibilities.

looking at his opinions and connections, why do you think virgilijus was killed? i have a theory.

I don't think anybody except Steel and Overswarm had scum reads on Virg all game. Steel lacks credibility on all ends and Overswarm died the first night which means that pretty much everybody had a town read on him. Additionally I can't see many connections between him and anybody else except Steel.

 

[Tom]

Why would someone with a role claim they were rolebloacked N1 for no reason? "Hey guys, I'm a PR and thought you'd like to know I was roleblocked".

if the player is "hit over the head" like you said, it is very possible that they do not have to have PR to get that message when roleblocked.

Actually reading it again, it doesn't say I was roleblocked, I just assumed I was from the flavour. It says I didn't get a result on the person. Unless you want to say 'person' is scum with investigation protection.

it says you were knocked on the head, and you didnt get a result on that person. theory still stands.

I see no reason to reveal who it was so you'll have to give me one. Right now, I dunno, if people are happy with a Steel lynch whatever. I don't really see what the big deal is but I don't really know Steel. I dunno I'm also kinda mad paranoid about you Tom but for no real reason I can put into words.

if that person is investigation immune (like an ascetic) then it would help their claim. if there is a tracker/watcher/reporter who could verify or deny your information, it would provide more information.

your suspects are: no one? am i reading that correctly?

 

[SummonerAU]

Yeah, pretty much.

I'm a little distracted from exams and probably a little lazy (it's my first time as a town PR)

 

[Tom]

Since I'm already a claimed cop, I don't know if it matters that my name is out there.

Too bad if it does. I'm Drawica.

Oh, I didn't think it was anything Tom, I just remembered it when I saw two people ask me about my investigation. Mentos answered it though so whatever. I'll look at the game after it's over and see if there's anything to it.

Google "Drawcia"
I dunno how she's a cop, I haven't played the game.

So you are Drawcia and not Drawica, right? You misspelled your name claim?

You don't know how she is a cop? There is no justification or flavor in your role PM that explains how you do your investigation?

 

[Tom]

hmm i cant say my opinion of gheb has changed at all. dont know what alignment he is.

 

[Tom]

Summoner, I assume you are for a name claim?

It looks like it is happening, then.

I would like:
1.) Junglefever
2.) Nix
3.) Frozenflame

 

[SummonerAU]

Well, my role PM was messed up by Rockin (I assume?) so I didn't get the name until later in the day. He spells it Drawica and wikipedia spells it Drawcia. I assume wikipedia is right and it's just a typo from Rockin.

She can draw things on her mind and give power to them. That's it.

 

[SummonerAU]

oh right, I don't think a mass nameclaim will hurt anyone.

 

[Tom]

Hmm... complications in a role PM. Unfortunate. However, the last thing I would want to happen is for the mod to say anything at all over the issue. We don't need interference of confirmation of any sort. It is our responsibility to sort these things out as players as they come, whether you are lying or telling the truth. If Rockin made a mistake, he already made it, and doesn't need to complicate the issue by making more.

I don't get how Drawcia is a cop - but Rokin's role's sometimes make senes (Zelda/Shiek as a two-face, Chun-Li as a Cop) and sometimes they don't (Samus, etc.). Yours has no basis as a cop, and you screwed up the name but you say that the mod screwed it up too. I guess we work with that.

You are probably clear anyways. It's just nerve-wracking to second-guess after seeing inconsistencies; when I know it is possible you bussed the janitor or janned the cop, it makes me second-guess myself to see you be roleblocked without a roleblock claim D1, or to see you misspell your name claim, or to see how your cop claim makes no sense with the name.

Whatever.

I'm going to sleep and then go to class. I sure hope Junglefever and Steel have posted when I get back. Let's just do this name-claim and get it over with, and see what Ronike has up his sleeve. Everyone should post 3 people they want to claim, and we will tally it up and have an order, and then do this. It should not take more than 30 hours to complete and I will be mad if people stall - I was against this, and I'm not going to waste time stalling as it seems to be a majority, so none of you should either.

Remember that this is a name-claim, and not a role-claim. Don't pull a Virgilijus.

 

[Nix2100]

Nix, are you for or against a name claim, and why? what do you think about gheb, and what do you think about frozenflame? how is your play different from steel's, and how is it different from junglefever's? what do you think are the odds that summoner is scum gambiting? what do you think happened to the second kill on night 2?

Uh...let's see, Since we are doing a name claim that question is kinda pointless now =P
As for Gheb and FF...I am a bit on the fence, though I think i leaning more towards FF being town and Gheb...well, he is still on the fence.

How is my play different from Steel's and Jungle's? >_> I'm here posting seems like a big difference.

I was actually wondering about that chance myself but I don't know....I think it's fairly low, but still a possibility...so 25%~ish would be my paranoid guess.

As for what happened? I can think of a couple possibilities...but based off the fact that Summoner is claiming RB, that leads me to believe that mafia killed Virg, leaving the SK either dead, Roleblocked, or Doc saved the victim....either way there is not enough information to say what clearly happened, but I suppose we will get a better picture of it after tonight when we see who is killed.

As for who I Want to see name claim.....
1.) Steel
2.) Jungle
3.) Mentos

 

[Ronike]

Yes, immediately after the name claim I'll reveal why I wanted a name claim so bad.

Drawcia is final boss from Kirby drawing game.

I want:
Tom
Mentos
steel

and that should pretty much answer your question Tom. Though completely taking the nameclaim out of the picture, I suspect steel more than Mentos.

 

[Steel]

at work, will make happy happy information post late this afternoon.

 

[Rockin]

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Steel (1) Gheb

Tom (1) Ronike

Jungle (1) Nix

Not Voting: Frozenflame, Steel, Tom, Summoner Jungle, Mentos

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[Tom]

Where do you work steel?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

About my Virg read: Seemed to be a pretty safe choice for a kill. Opting out of his "restriction" raised a few question marks with a lot of people and he accidently did a full claim, for a vanilla townie even. If you're a doc, who do you pick to save? You claimed cop who got a guilty read correct or a vanilla townie. Obvious answer is obvious.

For Tom

Who's town
1. Gheb - Frozen brought up that Gheb has been very concrete (I don't remember the exact wording) on his stances. I find that when Gheb is town he doesn't fence ride or **** around the bush with who he thinks is scum. Meta blah blah blah, but a lot of his analysis is sound, in my opinion, so I get town here.

2. Summoner - Claim pretty much puts him here.

3. Nix - Looks like regular old townie nix, but putting himself out there a bit more. Last part is a null tell, but it's more to work with, more than we usually get anyway.

For nameclaim

1. Steel
2. Ronike
3. FF

 

[Tom]

Junglefever: what is town Nix and what is scum Nix? How do you feel about Mentos?

 

[Tom]

Frozenflame, Mentos, and Steel need to claim who they want to claim first.

 

[Tom]

btw so that no one else wastes their time, im tallying the order up taking into consideration both number of votes and priority of vote (1,2,3) and i will show you all the results and how i got them when im done

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Nameclaim votes;

1.) Steel
2.) Jungle
3.) Tom

About to go to work but I'll post later tonight after I go over all the new material. Lots of good new posts.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Steel - 14
Jungle - 9
Mentos - 7
Tom - 6
Ronike - 2
Frozen - 2
Nix - 2

Steel is pretty much guaranteed first unless both Steel and Mentos want Jungle to claim the most and neither of them wants Steel to claim at all.

 

[Steel]

My 493: Really Steel? I'm trying to nudge that he's using the janned role? Looks to me like I'm flat out saying that it's a really stupid gambit, especially because a janned cop is better served being saved till endgame. Care to explain to me how I am trying to nudge that he IS using the janned role? Because this post is pretty solidly saying the opposite of that saying it's a terrible play, and that I doubt it's the case.

Point is I don't understand why you even made the post. You are bringing up an unlikely scenario (yes, I understand you said it's unlikely, but what point are you even trying to make with the post?) that was already commented on. I just feel as if there was an ulterior motive to it. Either you wanted more discussion on the unlikely possibility or you were just feigning activity with your pseudo-input.

Vote Steel

Anybody down for lynching him and call it a day? Weak attempts to incriminate mentos and buddy virg screams red flags to me.

Do you have no problems with Mentos's D2 play? Also how was I buddying virg? I was asked what I thought about him and gave my thoughts and reasoning.

steel - where you at.

Last night party today work.

steel-kun, you need to join the activity. if you haven't noticed, you are the likely lynch. are you going to do something about that? are you going to give us something to work with? please re-read the game - it will take only an hour of your time - and tell me who you think is scum and why. is it junglefever for his inactivity? do you think ronike is playing a one-trick game right now? do you think he would push this hard for a name-claim as scum? do you think frozenflame would argue with me like this as scum? can you determine anything from gheb's play? are you comfortable with mentosman, and if not, why not? do you believe summoner-sama can bring us to the holy land? do you think nix contributes enough to be worthwhile?

My view on Jungle has remained overall unchanged and it isn't improving at all because he hasn't done anything to change it.

Problem with Ronike I have is a LOT of his input has been centered and based on the name claiming. Because of his focus on this he hasn't had to give constant thoughts on the situation or players as much as others have. He's getting by because he's "tunneled" (for a lack of a better word) on getting us to agree on a name claim.

About Frozen, I don't have much of knowledge of his meta but I don't see why he wouldn't be afraid to bunk heads with anyone and I don't think he's scummy.

Gheb, like I said I feel as if his votes and "reasoning" are questionable at best.

Not comfortable with mentos, reasons above and already stated.

I don't think summoner pulled any gambit at all, i believe he's legit

Nix is brief as **** and his posts rarely help. But like I said yesterday I feel like he's genuine and I've played with him as scum multiple times, I'm okay with him. What do you mean by worthwhile? Are you uncomfortable with him?

Steel I think is scum for his constant nudging and buddying all game. He's also coasting.

I don't think anybody except Steel and Overswarm had scum reads on Virg all game. Steel lacks credibility on all ends and Overswarm died the first night which means that pretty much everybody had a town read on him. Additionally I can't see many connections between him and anybody else except Steel.

"Constant nudging and buddying?" If you could point those out, I might actually have an idea of what you're talking about. You've been on my *** all game and I still haven't seen anything concrete from you about me.

I didn't like Virg D1, clearly my perception of him changed D2 and you called me out for that today as "buddying."

If I "lack credibility" do you not even give a **** what I write? Do you read my posts asides from just looking for stuff to nitpick?

Where do you work steel?

Golf course, grounds crew

About my Virg read: Seemed to be a pretty safe choice for a kill. Opting out of his "restriction" raised a few question marks with a lot of people and he accidently did a full claim, for a vanilla townie even. If you're a doc, who do you pick to save? You claimed cop who got a guilty read correct or a vanilla townie. Obvious answer is obvious.

For Tom

Who's town
1. Gheb - Frozen brought up that Gheb has been very concrete (I don't remember the exact wording) on his stances. I find that when Gheb is town he doesn't fence ride or **** around the bush with who he thinks is scum. Meta blah blah blah, but a lot of his analysis is sound, in my opinion, so I get town here.

2. Summoner - Claim pretty much puts him here.

3. Nix - Looks like regular old townie nix, but putting himself out there a bit more. Last part is a null tell, but it's more to work with, more than we usually get anyway.

For nameclaim

1. Steel
2. Ronike
3. FF

1. You don't think that Gheb is more analytical than he is in this game when he's town?

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Since everyone wants my name claim, i'm Shadow Queen from Paper Mario.

People I don't like and want to name claim:

Mentos
Jungle
Gheb

 

[mentosman8]

For name claims I want:

Ronike
Jungle
Frozen

Still don't like the idea as a whole, but the will of the town I will gladly follow.

As for other points, it's not so much fear mongering as one of the reasons I'm not too keen on the idea. It is honestly something that came to mind by Ronike with his whole secret motive thing. Anyway, moot point I guess because town wants to do it and I have no problem with that. Let's continue along with Jungle then me, shall we?(Don't know the rest of the order, I just know the top three didn't change.)

 

[DtJ Jungle]

@Steel: No I don't think he's being any more analytical.

Might as well go next. I'm Petrine, from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I promised a post tonight but I'm gonna hold off under the nameclaims are done so I can put those into perspective before I go over my reads again.

I'll wait for Tom and Gheb to confirm the order. Holler when its my turn to go.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Thinking the order is Mentos -> Tom -> Ronike -> Frozen -> Nix -> Gheb

Do you have no problems with Mentos's D2 play?

Are you kidding me? I clearly pointed out the problems I have with Mentos and he's #3 on my claim list for a reason. Doesn't change the fact that your initial "case" against him is garbage. You basically just switched from "he's pushing an unrealistic scenario" to "he's feigning input" just for the sake of keeping a futile debate alive. You don't even have a legitimate argument right now - you're just going with the flow.

Also how was I buddying virg? I was asked what I thought about him and gave my thoughts and reasoning.

You also did your best to justify everything he did - even silly mistakes like his full claim - as unquestionably pro-town ever since the consensus was, that Virg is town.

"Constant nudging and buddying?" If you could point those out, I might actually have an idea of what you're talking about. You've been on my *** all game and I still haven't seen anything concrete from you about me.

Then you must be playing a different game. I have already pointed out on D1 your nudging against Chibo which I still see being the case since you also have started to nudge mentos toDay.

 

[Tom]

Mentos -> Tom -> Ronike -> Frozen -> Nix -> Gheb is right

 

[mentosman8]

Ok, my turns up so I'll get this outta the way. I'm a Gerudo Soldier. No specific name/certain character, more of a grunt type(I say this because I know someone's going to comment on it if I don't). Anyway that brings up Tom next.