Keeping Chibo alive + killing people instead of recruiting is a good way to make us second guess Chibo's truthfulness.
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[M-1, 10, 13] Taco City Takeout: Game Over
- Thread starter Chaco
- Start date
Swiss
Smash Lord
Does anyone have doubts about Chibo's alignment?
What do people think of X1's flip?
What do people think of X1's flip?
Swiss
Smash Lord
(and the NK!)
im catching up in all my games and posting when i get home from work tonight.
Swiss what do you think about chibos alignment? Do you have doubts?
Chibo why do you think the scum would choose to nk riddle over you when according to your claim you cant be recruited?
Swiss what do you think about chibos alignment? Do you have doubts?
Chibo why do you think the scum would choose to nk riddle over you when according to your claim you cant be recruited?
Extend my question directed to Swiss to everyone else who is still playing.
Also, swiss what exactly did you mean by this?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10736298&postcount=314
And Chibo what did you mean by Guide's unknowingness? About what? What did he do/say specifically to make you think he looked "unknowing"?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10725168&postcount=238
Also, swiss what exactly did you mean by this?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10736298&postcount=314
And Chibo what did you mean by Guide's unknowingness? About what? What did he do/say specifically to make you think he looked "unknowing"?
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=10725168&postcount=238
Xivii
caterpillar feet
<_< I was expecting some long post :o.
As for your question, I'm not really sure about Chibo, but right now I'm inclined to believe him. Nothing has changed about my opinion on him since yesterday.
As for your question, I'm not really sure about Chibo, but right now I'm inclined to believe him. Nothing has changed about my opinion on him since yesterday.
Swiss
Smash Lord
frozenflame751;10779727 Swiss what do you think about chibos alignment? Do you have doubts?[/QUOTE said:
I'm waiting to hear what other people say regarding Chibo's claim before I disclose my opinion of it.
Swiss
Smash Lord
So the point in asking people the question I just asked was what, precisely?
Also, why must you disclose your opinion last?
So, lynch everyone, amirite?
@ Frozen: Chibo didn't call me unknowing, just Gordito and Zensei. He never said why he thought I was towj, he wanted to leave it at a good feeling.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Will likely be caught up a lil bit later today. Was VLA for the whole weekend and stuff and didn't get back till late last night
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
Here's my opinion on the NK:
Chibo had voted Riddle for agressive play, and was kind of insisting on the lynch, until X1 was close to lynching. That can look like Chibo just gave up his vote on Riddle to take him out at night, but I'm not sure that he'd be that obvious.
I'm not too sure about anything at this point. Just hoping that in these 8? days, something else possibly opens up.
Chibo had voted Riddle for agressive play, and was kind of insisting on the lynch, until X1 was close to lynching. That can look like Chibo just gave up his vote on Riddle to take him out at night, but I'm not sure that he'd be that obvious.
I'm not too sure about anything at this point. Just hoping that in these 8? days, something else possibly opens up.
Because I don't want people to be influence by my opinion or to just parrot me, whatever the chances may be.
I never said I MUST go last but I'd prefer to. Is it really that big a deal to you?
Um, I have to replace out. I'm going away on vacation this Saturday, and I'll be gone for a week. I just found out that the place we're staying at doesn't have a computer/wifi, which ruins any chance of me being active in this game.
Sorry for doing this to you guys, I wouldn't have joined this game if I realized that I'd have to go a week without a computer.
...And now, my reputation for dropping out of games grows ever stronger.
Sorry for doing this to you guys, I wouldn't have joined this game if I realized that I'd have to go a week without a computer.
...And now, my reputation for dropping out of games grows ever stronger.
Swiss
Smash Lord
But YOU are parroting ME.
I ask a question, you then ask me the SAME question and then demand I answer you first.
Vote Frozen
Xivii
caterpillar feet
What happened to the activity of this game...
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Who's to say that scum performed the night kill?
I also suggested the potential option of a single scum recruiter + a indy serial killer since that seems to be somewhat balanced I would think.
We don't know if someone was recruited or not last night, so it still doesn't disprove what I said.
As people are suggesting, the possibility of scum being a recruiter or killer (choose one each night) also makes sense.
Man I don't remember lol, that post was 10 days ago. I believe I meant the unknowingness of the setup? I forget
Swiss
Smash Lord
Guide, have you made a post somewhere so someone can replace you?
Can we wagon Frozen, please.
Can we wagon Frozen, please.
lol y u so mad tho?
Seriously dude that's not the scummy type of parroting you're trying to make it out to be. Yeah I asked the same question as you and asked you to answer me first, but that doesn't mean I was trying to steal your stance and mask it as my own, nor does it mean I was trying to LOOK like I have my own stances on things when in reality I don't.
I simply had the same idea as you and wanted to wait for other people to answer before I did. You make it seem like I demanded you answer it and would label you as scum if you didn't.
And then you go ahead and try to equivocate the term "parrot" when in actuality the type of parroting I was talking about is completely different to what you're talking about. Linguistic gymnastics to make people look bad sounds like legit town intent brah. Oh wait no it doesn't. At all.
Like I don't know whether to laugh at you for being a super over vigilant townie for voting me over that or if I should be genuinely concerned that you're being mad aggressive scum.
Anyway, since it's upsetting you so much, I'll go ahead and say that right now I do not doubt Chibo's claim. For now I'm considering him legit cleared unless evidence or actions arise that suggest otherwise.
Your turn Swiss.
idk my first instinct was just to assume it was scum who performed the NK. I have a really hard time seeing a scumteam that can only recruit, esp. in a game this small. I also have a hard time seeing a recruiting scum (esp. one that can recruit multiple times if that is the case) AND some sort of killing indy in this setup. Not that I'm saying it would be outrageous if they WERE in the game, but I just really don't see it being the case. I'm more sympathetic to the suggestion that we have some sort of scum team that has limited (or perhaps not) recruiting abilities OR a nightkill that they can perform each night, but not both.
And yeah we definitely don't know for sure whether or not someone got recruited last night. Definitely bearing that in mind.
Don't worry about that question, The Guide answered it for me. I misread the sentence so what I was asking about was something you didn't really say.
Chibo who's the play? Interested in your thoughts on The Guide and Swiss in particular.
I'll also be going through all of Riddle's posts in the near future so expect a post about that when I finish that up.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
The last page for Swiss is particularly telling... Not in terms of good or bad exactly, but getting a feel for him.
I'm not sure what end idea to think of him, but it's not that bad really. He seems more like he's playing a dumb/paranoid townie with questioning a lot of the things you do (only natural after your activity day 1), but it's almost getting to the point of where he's tunneling you and trying to lead a wagon on you. I just can't see scum doing that in the open.
As for thinking who scum is... There's a couple ways to go about this now:
1. Think of who killed Riddle
-It doesn't matter though, some people have already said they have no idea why Riddle was chosen to die. A lot of scum seemingly randomize their picks to kill anyway to make sure townies don't catch on. The only real thing about Riddle was that he def seemed to be one of the smarter players in the game, and I can see scum not wanting him alive.
or
2. Think of who scum would have recruited
-Not the best train of thought, but something to certainly go off of. Not the best as in we'll be nailing scum (good), but not the recruiter or killer (bad). If I had to pick anyone for this it would be Frozen. Not because of anything he has done to make him scummy, but putting myself into a scum position thinking of who I would recruit, Frozen is one of the more experienced players here (about half of us are a lot more experienced than the other half), and most importantly is that Frozen was extremely quiet during the first day. This makes him a clean slate for day 2 as a newly recruited scum as one thing that's very telling for scum recruit games is watch people switch play styles as a tell if they were recruited or not. I've been the recruiter in this sense, and it's the strategy I certainly went with.
3. Use everything from day 1 plus any new info from Day 2 to find scum straight up
-Problem with this is that Day 2 has been quite dry so far so it's really just a slight extension of day 1, which doesn't help too much. I need more time to think things through to come up with some normal scum tells.
Vote Frozen
I'm not sure what end idea to think of him, but it's not that bad really. He seems more like he's playing a dumb/paranoid townie with questioning a lot of the things you do (only natural after your activity day 1), but it's almost getting to the point of where he's tunneling you and trying to lead a wagon on you. I just can't see scum doing that in the open.
As for thinking who scum is... There's a couple ways to go about this now:
1. Think of who killed Riddle
-It doesn't matter though, some people have already said they have no idea why Riddle was chosen to die. A lot of scum seemingly randomize their picks to kill anyway to make sure townies don't catch on. The only real thing about Riddle was that he def seemed to be one of the smarter players in the game, and I can see scum not wanting him alive.
or
2. Think of who scum would have recruited
-Not the best train of thought, but something to certainly go off of. Not the best as in we'll be nailing scum (good), but not the recruiter or killer (bad). If I had to pick anyone for this it would be Frozen. Not because of anything he has done to make him scummy, but putting myself into a scum position thinking of who I would recruit, Frozen is one of the more experienced players here (about half of us are a lot more experienced than the other half), and most importantly is that Frozen was extremely quiet during the first day. This makes him a clean slate for day 2 as a newly recruited scum as one thing that's very telling for scum recruit games is watch people switch play styles as a tell if they were recruited or not. I've been the recruiter in this sense, and it's the strategy I certainly went with.
3. Use everything from day 1 plus any new info from Day 2 to find scum straight up
-Problem with this is that Day 2 has been quite dry so far so it's really just a slight extension of day 1, which doesn't help too much. I need more time to think things through to come up with some normal scum tells.
Vote Frozen
I take it from your post chibo that you are definitely operating on the assumption that the scum can recruit only, and that there is an indy killer? Because your two scenarios there can't be considered together unless you assume that.
What I'm getting from you is that you think I was recruited. How exactly has my playstyle changed? I'm more active, yes, but that's because I had time to catch up, as I stated. My activity isn't my playstyle, it's just an element of it and anyone who has played with me before knows that it is a horrendous indicator of my alignment.
So basically I'm like really lost on how your analysis got you to a conclusion of voting for me. It's seriously pretty troubling.
Question for Swiss: You weren't on the X1 wagon. Were you planning on voting him and if not why? Were you planning to vote for someone else? I'm curious because you are the only person other than me who didn't vote at the end of D1.
What I'm getting from you is that you think I was recruited. How exactly has my playstyle changed? I'm more active, yes, but that's because I had time to catch up, as I stated. My activity isn't my playstyle, it's just an element of it and anyone who has played with me before knows that it is a horrendous indicator of my alignment.
So basically I'm like really lost on how your analysis got you to a conclusion of voting for me. It's seriously pretty troubling.
Question for Swiss: You weren't on the X1 wagon. Were you planning on voting him and if not why? Were you planning to vote for someone else? I'm curious because you are the only person other than me who didn't vote at the end of D1.
Swiss
Smash Lord
It's pretty annoying that you ask the same question that I did, then demand an answer without supplying one yourself. Surely you can understand that, but evidently not. That's cool though.
Parroting means repeating, you repeated me. You parroted me. Suck my phallus. (That or I'm wrong, in which case ignore this paragraph.)
Didn't say it was scummy, said I wanted you waggoned. Different things, bro. I'm tryina teach you a lesson here - regardless of your experience, don't play like a douche.
BOOM.
I woulda voted him, in all likliehood. I'm often unwilling to actually lynch people by nature, if you look at my meta.
Am I supposed to take you seriously?
Oh yeah I totally don't understand that you're annoyed because I totally didn't figure out you were going to continue to cry about it and just answered the question in my last post. Yep, pretty clear I don't understand anything.
Didn't you see that I answered the question and that I asked you to now? Evidently not. That's cool though.
Sure if you wanna look at the term parrot like a 10 year old, then you're right. When you're ready to discuss the intent behind asking the same question as someone else with probably a different end game, OR asking the same question as someone else not to claim it for your own but to add emphasis to its importance, why don't you get back to me. If you're gonna be childish and look at shallow **** like semantic technicalities and blanket application of terms, then you can continue to be a terrible players and I'll start putting you in my dumb v. scum category of analysis.
>> implying that wanting someone wagonned doesn't mean you think they did something scummy
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No but seriously like where do you get off saying "I never said it was scummy" but you threw a fit over it, voted me, and pushed for others to wagon me? Are you trying to tell me this is how you react to people you think are being pro-town? Seems pretty backward to me.
So you would've probably voted X1 then? No really big second choice or anything?
I woulda voted him, in all likliehood. I'm often unwilling to actually lynch people by nature, if you look at my meta.[/QUOTE]
Swiss
Smash Lord
You're an idiot.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Swiss - shutup, you're being very annoying
Swiss
Smash Lord
WHAT?
The guy asks the questions I did, then demands I answer him with a ridiculous attitude.
I had shut up, so that post was unnecessary.
The guy asks the questions I did, then demands I answer him with a ridiculous attitude.
I had shut up, so that post was unnecessary.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Don't say things like suck my phallus and you're and idiot.
Swiss
Smash Lord
Hm.
Maybe I was rude.
But he started it.
Maybe I was rude.
But he started it.
Xivii
caterpillar feet
Uh I'm not really sure where to at this point. So little is happening..
This whole Swiss v. Frozen scene is pretty odd. Not sure what to make of it yet. I disagree with Chibo that Frozen was most likely to be reqruited. Seeing as he was to be looked at from lack of activty D1, I don't quite think someone would choose him regardless of his experience. The strange thing about your post Chibo is that you're assuming that Frozen isn't a reqruiter himself.
This whole Swiss v. Frozen scene is pretty odd. Not sure what to make of it yet. I disagree with Chibo that Frozen was most likely to be reqruited. Seeing as he was to be looked at from lack of activty D1, I don't quite think someone would choose him regardless of his experience. The strange thing about your post Chibo is that you're assuming that Frozen isn't a reqruiter himself.
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
But you don't need to continue it.
He might be parroting you, and I see why you'd think it. But don't just jump to conclusions.
I didn't see him being rude like you are being. And just because you THINK he started it, doesn't mean you can't be the bigger man.
He might be parroting you, and I see why you'd think it. But don't just jump to conclusions.
I didn't see him being rude like you are being. And just because you THINK he started it, doesn't mean you can't be the bigger man.
Yo, just want to say that I'm replacing 'The_Guide.' I thought I mention this now since Chaco didn't officially say it (for some odd reason)
I'll get to reading up the thread in a few.
I'll get to reading up the thread in a few.
Okay, I have issues with several people, and that's Chibo, Gorditoboy, and Swiss
I disliked Gorditoboy's play. He shows that he has played a good portion of Mafia games, he crumbles like a little kid at the start of RVS (which stands for 'Random Vote Stage'). I disliked how he handled a lot of the pressure and I feel it's more of scum pressured then n00bie town play.
Wait, you have? You just said...?
Which IS it?
Alright, that's good to know since you kinda caved in at pressure at the beginning of D1
Swiss I disliked for the pressure on GorditoBoy. Seemed to be a bit agressive for my taste, really. It's like he was sorta leading the wagon for him.
But Riddle and X1 hardly contributed. Riddle had...3 post barely filled with info and X1's...isn't much. I'll say Guide did a fair contribute though. How did those post = contribution?
I'm unsure why people even thought of discussing the setup for this game so early in the game, and I was able to get town vibes off of Riddle and Guide who wanted to cut that out.
Chibo, why did you claim on D1? You was hardly pressured, and this idea of yours actually thrown a wrench of WIFOM at our face.
Again, it's too early to guess the set up. Best leave it in pocket for D2+. Even worse, you're speculating roles....on D1. ><;;
For one thing, if there's a Mafia Recruiter, it's JUST gonna recruit. It can't kill, at all. It being able to kill and/or recruit is broken. If there's a Mafia Recruiter, there's possibly a sk (depends usually on the size of players and the outcome of N1) just like Ronike's Test Subject Mafia.
Second, we don't know for certain if there even is a Mafia recruiter or not. There could just be a Town mason recruiter and just two mafia goons.
You claiming in public makes your powers useless in a lylo situation or in general. Not to mention I just plain doubt it. What's protown of not being recruited (aside from not being targeted at all)
Vote:Chibo
Not liking how Zensel is handling this game. It's too coasty, and I'm surprise no one isn't trying to make him post a bit more often or see what he's thinking (yet they choose to pressure FF to post).
Neutral with FF, mainly cause he hardly spoke D1
Why did no one give X12 a chance to claim?
I'm more in favor of lynching Chibo then Gordito and Swiss (though that doesn't mean I won't vote for them).
I feel that by lynching chibo
- if his role is legitimate, we can at least semi confirm/get an idea that there's some form of recruiter in the game
- If he flips goon, then there's probably a cult running down. I'll also say SK if he comes up as the Mafia recruiter.
I disliked Gorditoboy's play. He shows that he has played a good portion of Mafia games, he crumbles like a little kid at the start of RVS (which stands for 'Random Vote Stage'). I disliked how he handled a lot of the pressure and I feel it's more of scum pressured then n00bie town play.
So you never been mafia before? K
Wait, you have? You just said...?
Which IS it?
Alright, that's good to know since you kinda caved in at pressure at the beginning of D1
Swiss I disliked for the pressure on GorditoBoy. Seemed to be a bit agressive for my taste, really. It's like he was sorta leading the wagon for him.
This post is posy no. 71 btw
But Riddle and X1 hardly contributed. Riddle had...3 post barely filled with info and X1's...isn't much. I'll say Guide did a fair contribute though. How did those post = contribution?
Agrees that what he did is lynch worthy, yet feels he should hunt for scum. Still feel more scum then dumb.
I thought you felt you felt you should be lynched? AtE.
I'm unsure why he suddenly brought this up, but I guess it was a way of breadcrumbing. Dunno. When I was catching up, I felt he was reaching/fishing...as well as everyone else that asked for it.
I'm unsure why people even thought of discussing the setup for this game so early in the game, and I was able to get town vibes off of Riddle and Guide who wanted to cut that out.
....UGH.
Chibo, why did you claim on D1? You was hardly pressured, and this idea of yours actually thrown a wrench of WIFOM at our face.
Again, it's too early to guess the set up. Best leave it in pocket for D2+. Even worse, you're speculating roles....on D1. ><;;
For one thing, if there's a Mafia Recruiter, it's JUST gonna recruit. It can't kill, at all. It being able to kill and/or recruit is broken. If there's a Mafia Recruiter, there's possibly a sk (depends usually on the size of players and the outcome of N1) just like Ronike's Test Subject Mafia.
Second, we don't know for certain if there even is a Mafia recruiter or not. There could just be a Town mason recruiter and just two mafia goons.
You claiming in public makes your powers useless in a lylo situation or in general. Not to mention I just plain doubt it. What's protown of not being recruited (aside from not being targeted at all)
Vote:Chibo
Not liking how Zensel is handling this game. It's too coasty, and I'm surprise no one isn't trying to make him post a bit more often or see what he's thinking (yet they choose to pressure FF to post).
Neutral with FF, mainly cause he hardly spoke D1
Why did no one give X12 a chance to claim?
I'm more in favor of lynching Chibo then Gordito and Swiss (though that doesn't mean I won't vote for them).
I feel that by lynching chibo
- if his role is legitimate, we can at least semi confirm/get an idea that there's some form of recruiter in the game
- If he flips goon, then there's probably a cult running down. I'll also say SK if he comes up as the Mafia recruiter.
Swiss
Smash Lord
@ Rkoin, I did eplain my reasoning fir viting Gordito, I feel the oressure was efective and that we got useful informarion from it/.
Bleh, I know but still. There was also some other stuff that bothered me as well, but I have to go to work tonight (May respond tomorrow though).
Chaco, you really need to update the thread with what Day it currently is. =/
also, I ****ed up on my vote, so I'll do it again
Vote: Chibo
Swiss, why are you speaking so funny, btw? o.o
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
Rockin you are ridiculous
Say's the guy who doesn't have a single standing line of rebuttal.
So you think having an even more belligerent and ridiculous attitude in response to me is the best way to go about things? Seriously?
Whatever man. This is just getting old and it's a pretty pointless argument.
Anyway I just finished re-reading all of Riddle's posts and I seriously can't ****ing figure out who killed him. It's bugging the **** out of me. I have a few ideas but yeah, nothing I'm exceptionally confident about.
Few questions:
@ Chibo: Is swiss scum?
@ Swiss: Is chibo scum?
@ Gordito: Who's your top scum choice?
^^^ Same Q @ zensei
@ Rockin: What are your thoughts on the setup?