Luigi QA - RIP Mark Dunstan "Marky-Mark"

[Juce]

lol Mogwai
Ka is sexy! I was satisfied after 1 set of this. lol

This ^

And yeah, you guys were jerks and had 9 or so of them before I even got there. :[
Eggz ... Silent Wolf ... Shane ... Otto
WHERE ARE THEY!?!?!?



It takes more tricks and is tougher from Luigi's standpoint for sure LOL. But when Ganon does that aerial and Luigi shields it, nothing happens. If Ganon does the aerial and Luigi WDs away, nothing happens. This entire match up would be a stalemate if Ganon couldn't aerial closer and closer across the stage. But that's where Luigi's tricks come in, whether it's WD into attacks, ftilts on the spot, and Luigi's great combo game making it worth the risk when he does get inside. Getting inside is nearly impossible to do without getting destroyed occasionally, but it's enough. Sure Ganon can spam and be safe, but Luigi is trickziez enough to find a way in, much like Shiek or whoever else loves being inside, that could lead to a stock. But Luigi gets in easier than shiek (he just can't camp like her so he has no choice but to go for it)

Ka was rusty too. lol <3

btw, when me and Eric come to Montreal etc in April/Febuary (whenever), wanna house us for a night? It's just a week vacation of smash for us to **** you ECers.

are you guys driving? if so i wanna come

 

[Divinokage]

I think I might have given that Kage/Ka Master tape to Ka a while ago. Either that or its sitting in my room somewhere

eggz

That might be the case, upload plox.. I want to see some of those videos. =P

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

^I'm assuming that an eggz ninja post (?) but no, we'll be flying. Too long to drive and we can only each get a week free from our school/work/etc.

I'm gonna put on angry mr wins the tourney at the Ka returns tourney if you guys don't find it when I'm there/before I'm there. UPLOAD PLEASE...

NOW >:[


Ace, the MMs were already recorded >_>


Nobody plays Luigi. Some do but they haven't done much more with it. Hence the metagame has been stale for weegee for a long time (since I entered the community pretty much :O)
Time to step it up I guess. FULL POTENTIAL!!! I CHOOOSE YOOOUUUU!!!!

*out comes fox*
****...

 

[Divinokage]

Needs more character specialist pulling it out to the top.

**** Fox, =P

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

**** every character.

Needs more 'whole cast' / 'various specialist'
I like me some variety in the variety.

 

[Pakman]

Last time we played Kage kind of obliterated me.

I am excited to get another shot.

 

[Eggz]

I CP Ganon against Ka when I give up on fox
and still lose

conclusively luigi ***** ganon


? ! ?

 

[Divinokage]

I CP Ganon against Ka when I give up on fox
and still lose

conclusively luigi ***** ganon


? ! ?

Stop trying to double jump Fair all the time like Teddy then maybe you have a chance loll. Everytime I see another good player try Ganon, I always laugh so much inside, it's soooo funny.

 

[Pakman]

I CP Ganon against Ka when I give up on fox
and still lose

conclusively luigi ***** ganon


? ! ?

Flawless logic. I recently took a set from tipman for what its worth. That guy does the most INSANE stuff with ganon. HOW THE GIRL DO YOU LEDGE CANCEL FORWARD B?

 

[Divinokage]

Haha he taught me how to do that at RoM 2, it's actually not that bad to do, but I don't know if it's very useful. Tipman does crazy stuff all the time, =P

 

[Mogwai]

Haha he taught me how to do that at RoM 2, it's actually not that bad to do, but I don't know if it's very useful. Tipman does crazy stuff all the time, =P

it's useful for getting panties wet. what more do you want?

 

[Divinokage]

it's useful for getting panties wet. what more do you want?

That's true, =)

 

[Winston]

man my super Ganon johns just got ***** by this thread x__x

so what do you guys think Luigi's hardest matchups are?

 

[Pakman]

My biggest problems are Sheik, and campy falcos. A lot of people say Marth, but I handle Marth pretty well.

I would say my top 5 hardest match ups are:

1.) Sheik
2.) Falco
3.) Falcon
4.) Good Foxes (Like ones that are good at avoiding grabs)
5.) Ganon

 

[Divinokage]

My biggest problems are Sheik, and campy falcos. A lot of people say Marth, but I handle Marth pretty well.

I would say my top 5 hardest match ups are:

1.) Sheik
2.) Falco
3.) Falcon
4.) Good Foxes (Like ones that are good at avoiding grabs)
5.) Ganon

I'll be sure to change your mind about that. =P

 

[Pakman]

Kage, if you beat me it is more because you are a better player rather than a character thing.

However, it won't matter because,

I AM GONNA DESTROY YOU.

I have something to prove and nothing to lose (except the 5 bucks or whatever)

<img src="http://kimag.es/share/78803527.gif" onclick="alert('EAT IT KAGE!');" />

 

[T-Cash]

i am a new smasher and i always wanted to main luigi but i cant get his double arieals down i need like a timing on when to put his second arieal into his shuffle. and what 2 arieals can i mix to get them to shuffle perfecty

 

[-ACE-]

Flawless logic. I recently took a set from tipman for what its worth. That guy does the most INSANE stuff with ganon. HOW THE GIRL DO YOU LEDGE CANCEL FORWARD B?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKn3uZuFgRg

Didn't know if you had seen this or not.

 

[Mogwai]

i am a new smasher and i always wanted to main luigi but i cant get his double arieals down i need like a timing on when to put his second arieal into his shuffle. and what 2 arieals can i mix to get them to shuffle perfecty

you can't do any of them with a fast fall. you short hop, but no fast fall. and I find dair -> nair to be the easiest, but I think as long as your first one is not nair, you can do any combination.

 

[Pakman]

As good as double aerials are, you should practice single aerial waveland.

 

[Vudujin]

I got a 2-stock on Kage on Dreamland in polls at ROM II (yay for wigi!), that kid's Ganon is crazy good though.

Don't get punched, or you. will. die!!!

 

[T-Cash]

thanks for your help i always tried to fast fall ill go home and try it tell you guys how it works out

also ill work on my arieals and wavelands thanks for the advice

 

[COEY]

My biggest problems are Sheik, and campy falcos. A lot of people say Marth, but I handle Marth pretty well.

I would say my top 5 hardest match ups are:

1.) Sheik
2.) Falco
3.) Falcon
4.) Good Foxes (Like ones that are good at avoiding grabs)
5.) Ganon

i agree about sheik being the hardest match up, especially for you ntsc guys, even on pal its a nightmare sometimes. though i think when a marth knows the match up he's luigi's second toughest opponent, then fox, ganon, falcon, falco. maybe i havent played decent enough falco's but from what i have experienced and from watching ka falco isnt too bad as long as you can keep on top of him, against camping i find feigning attacks to provoke a second jump is the way to go.

also i loved the english football gif, poor stevie gerrard. you guys looking forward to the world cup?

 

[-ACE-]

For real, a marth with great spacing and edgeguarding can be a big challenge for Luigi. Foxes, Sheiks, Marths and Falcos that know the matchup are all pretty tough imo.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Sheik RAPES Luigi.

At least on Fox/Falco/Falcon we have 0-death combos lol.

Marth is tough and all but it's his sword gimmick that relaly gets us.

Sheik is just... lfa;ksjfa;lkf. Sheik's Ftilt is terrible for Luigi. It's hard to outrange it. And needles DEMOLISH our recovery. We don't have incredible combos on her and edgeguarding is difficult (most of the time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQRGfgodS2Y#t=0m45s).

I'm going to go ahead and say that smart Foxes will rape you. Uair just isn't enough to avoid the shine offstage x_x. Gotta take advantage of your gimp situations.

Falcon's Uair is annoying. Luigi's too floaty not to get Uair combo'd or Dthrow -> Knee'd. Edgeguarding is fairly easy. Keep in mind that if you get UpB'd by him at 0, you'll land standing and you can punish him easysauce.

Falco has lasers. But WD and shielding gets you places. Especially with platforms. From there you get combos and You edgeguard him SUPER easy.

Marth is Marth. I'm not going to talk too much about him because I'm not an expert on the matchup. Just play smart, is what I usually say.

 

[1Frame_Dynamism :: Bamsey]

Side B cancelling with Luigi is sexy. It's almost completely worthless but I've found it useful when doing it on the platforms of a stage when recovering. I only get in 15% or so when I aim to do it, but it's 'neat' ;D

Uair, Nair and Bair can come out on a fast fall. It's a late fast fall though, don't FF right away. Mixing up your wavelands with double aerials is the tricky part. Land with aerial > jab > pivot dsmsah/ftilt/grab. ;D

The thing I've come to realize with Sheik is...CHALLENGE everything. Her ftilt can **** you but if you straight up dsmash through it, you win on that outcome. EVERYTHING is good for you traded. Watch any video/play the next Sheik and watch how when Luigi challenges her moves, he gets an edge from it. And grab if she clues in and start sheild camping, which good ones always do sheild camp. Then you just **** her for camping. ;D

Marth is cake. He needs spacing, and you **** with his spacing. In and out speed is why Fox ***** him. You have that Falcon/Fox like speed but more range. You just float instead lol. WD utilt his aerials and **** him. ;D

Falco sucks, just combo and gimp him. Lasers don't work if you're in his face, utilt and usmash through his aerials and you win, ftilt him and you win, gimpgimpgimpgimp. ;D

Fox is too slow. Lightsheild and roll to stay away from pressure then just attack with accuracy. He can't approach you, you're too fast at WD back and dsmashing/grabbing/ftilting and you can land attacks on Fox easier than any character in the game with your speed. You can safely approach and Fox can't. Seriously, gg. If you don't get gimped or run into stuped stuff, you'll win. ;D

Falcon just gets utilted/baird/sheilded and gimped. gg ;D

Ganon is a bad character. Kage is just good and a few others are closeish. If Luigi had more than 1 pioneer of **** like Ka, Luigi would be broken too. Come on Eddy, Pak, SGod, Coey, whoever else.


STEP IT UP! We got this. ;D

 

[-ACE-]

Lol those last 2 posts are so full of generalizations.

Smash G0D your posts are impossible to quote because of your color scheme haha

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Sorry xP

If you want specifics then ask away :D

 

[-ACE-]

"Falcon's Uair is annoying. Luigi's too floaty not to get Uair combo'd or Dthrow -> Knee'd."

How does Luigi get uair combo'd if he DI's away? At what precents is Falcon guaranteed a dthrow > knee? I would think that luigi can escape at some point, I just don't know where exactly.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

dave, when i play against josh's falcon with mario, i just di away from the dthrow and hit uair when the knee is close. it works like 70-80 percent of the time. i would THINK that luigi could do the same to falcon if not just di away and mash out a nair.

 

[-ACE-]

the physics with luigi's DI and overall aerial mobility are quite different than mario's..

 

[Smash G 0 D]

I believe you would trade the Nair for the Knee (not so good x_x)

Falcon doesn't have too much trouble catching up with your away DI at lower/mid percents. And at high %s it's a bad idea to DI away anyways, because once you're off the stage it's easy to get edgeguarded. Bair will beat you offstage and Utilt beats your UpB sweespot.

 

[*P*L*U*R*]

the physics with luigi's DI and overall aerial mobility are quite different than mario's..

well ummmm. what do i know? i just main ic. lol

 

[-ACE-]

Are you saying that Falcon can uair + knee luigi? at what percent? I'd think if luigi DI's the uair away he's going to be in pretty good shape (it might be guaranteed at some percents though).. and even if you had to trade hits with the knee, you should be holding up and slightly in (optimal survival for Falcon's knee at med%) while you nair, in which case you wouldn't die and you'd take 16% while giving Falcon 15%.

I already know Falcon can follow your DI at low%, and I definitely already know it's not a good idea to DI away at high% lol. Utilt can be tech'd. If the Falcon is good at edgeguarding and reads you, then yeah he can bair you. I was just curious about the dthrow + knee and when it's guaranteed on Luigi.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

I don't have the exact percents offhand, sorry.

 

[-ACE-]

It's all good buddy. Magus plays Falcon.. maybe he'll give us some info on combo'ing luigi :>

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Falcon vs Luigi is kind of a momentum thing.. Once Falcon gets his momentum, it's hard to stop him. And if you start on a combo (Dsmash from 0 = another Dsmash or Utilt -> aerials, etc.) then you get some free damage. The thing is, his kills will probably be from aerials, but yours will be edgeguards unless you land an aerial at high % (although the air isn't always safe vs Falcon).

I like Bair vs Falcon. I don't like Uair vs Falcon. Fair is nice too.

I like Uair vs Ganon. I believe you can get it out before you get roflstomped.

 

[T-Cash]

it seems that with luigi i cant shuffle as fast and it takes different timing. how do i keep up speed wise and do moves that can keep up with fast characters moves.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Yeah with Luigi you have to wait a second to begin the aerial FF for SHFFL... but I generally don't SHFFL that much with Luigi, lol. Work more on double aerials and aerial -> wavelands.

As for fast characters, think about moves like Ftilt. It comes out fairly quickly and has good range. I don't know exactly what you mean by 'fast characters' so I can't give too much more than that. I guess just try to catch them out of combos and mess up there momentum at awkward times (nair), which is where Luigi shines.

 

[T-Cash]

when i shuffle like if i shffl a bair how do i wave land ive tried it but cant do it

also double arieals i cant learn im having trouble with these the most i can only hit the second arieal when i hit the ground and you can barely see it