Luigi 1.1.0 Patch Notes and Changes

[Luig]

When I was testing on Mario at the center of FD with no di, I got 67% pre patch, but I might have been doing something wrong. Either way, it kills at 60 now.

Yes, the jab locking was the main reason we confirmed that. Now dtilt under 70% can lock though.

 

[lijero13ss]

Anything that isn't confirmed on the data mine from Dantarion I think can be assumed to be placebo right now.

 

[Space Stranger]

Going to start updating the OP with the confirmed changes we have. Feel free to continue finding more changes.

I can't promise I will be active this evening since I will be at a party. Good luck fellow Weegees!

 

[Luig]

So we got one nerf, a few buffs, a pointless up special 2 buff, and we still need to test IASA.

Sakurai trolled us all by making us think we'd get nerfed.

 

[MarioMeteor]

When I tested, down b wasn't able to suck people in as much and was easier to get out of. Can anyone confirm or deconfirm?

I believe that the Cyclone was made easier to DI out of in 1.0.8. The suction effect is unchanged, though.

 

[Luig]

To be more specific, dtilit sends at a much lower angle, making it trip more often, better for edgeguarding, has more IASA, and has more kbg.
Fireball ends on frame 44 from 41 pre patch.
FJP has either more bkb or kbg. I'm not sure which one though.
Fair doesn't necessarily have less hitstun, it just has less kb making it have less hitstun than it used to a low% and easier to combo with a high%.

 

[MarioMeteor]

And don't forget up throw. As insignificant as it may be. I wonder what made them change that? I'd rather have back the ability to wall jump.

 

[Luig]

Yeah, and up throw kills earlier, now it's actually good for high platforms.
The wall jump in the E3 demo though.....

 

[Yonder]

Anyone else playing around with fiery jump punch? D throw to fair to punch is pretty legitimate on Mario for 0 - 29% and normal 0 to 34%.. This is just training though. Overall I really do dislike this patch because the endlag on fireball is really bothering me now. And D tilt is still impossible to land with no range despite being faster. The only saving grace is if fire jump punch's buffs can make up for fireball nerf at all.

 

[Steelballray]

Anyone else playing around with fiery jump punch? D throw to fair to punch is pretty legitimate on Mario for 0 - 29% and normal 0 to 34%.. This is just training though. Overall I really do dislike this patch because the endlag on fireball is really bothering me now. And D tilt is still impossible to land with no range despite being faster. The only saving grace is if fire jump punch's buffs can make up for fireball nerf at all.

It is kinda fair.. It was too good of a tool considering that a lot of times hitting with it meant getting a free grab for us, which is kinda ehh considering our down throw is the best thing since.. Idk, probably it is the best thing ever.
We have to be wary about throwing mindless fireballs now since we can legit get punished for them, something that never seemed to happen pre patch unless they were abused in all the wrong ways.

BTW, im throwing this here and I know its the wrong thread but this is the busiest thread and I'm in a real hurry since I'm already in the mall with mom and have no time. Is the GC controller better than the pro one? I have the pro and my combos out of the d throw were decent at best but I could never get the regrabbing down all that much. Is the GC controller any better? I know there might not be a set answer and it vary for each person but I don't care. Do you think the GC controller is better than the Pro one? Will it help me with Luigi combos and chain grabs? Mom will finish shopping and ask me to drive her home soon so help fast please. c

 

[Luig]

I think we got buffed overall. The other things make up for 3 extra frames of fireball lag.

 

[SpottedCerberus]

Damn. This up-b buff is legit. Luigi is a lot more fun to play now. I consider that a buff.

 

[Luig]

All the whiny reddit posters that hate Luigi will be mad to hear he is buffed.
PJSalt PJSalt PJSalt

 

[Steelballray]

Damn. This up-b buff is legit. Luigi is a lot more fun to play now. I consider that a buff.

THE REVEAL WAS SICK. Best one in a long while, no?

 

[Cypher94]

I still can't beat rosalina

 

[Yonder]

After more fiddling around with Luigi, D tilt is still insignificant, but Up B...it's hitting some crazy times when I least expect it to.. Up B is legit now.

 

[Luig]

So up b made more powerful and hitbox bigger.

 

[Cypher94]

Does anyone know when the official notes will be released?

 

[Steelballray]

Does anyone know when the official notes will be released?

Did Nintendo ever release official notes?

 

[MarioMeteor]

Anyone else playing around with fiery jump punch? D throw to fair to punch is pretty legitimate on Mario for 0 - 29% and normal 0 to 34%.. This is just training though. Overall I really do dislike this patch because the endlag on fireball is really bothering me now. And D tilt is still impossible to land with no range despite being faster. The only saving grace is if fire jump punch's buffs can make up for fireball nerf at all.

Fiery Jump Punch I find to be overall completely ****ing useless. I mean, it's weaker, it's slower, and it goes nowhere. It's not like you use Fire Jump Punch enough to where you need a hitbox that big. And now that they buffed Fire Jump Punch's hitbox, they're literally no reason to use Fiery over Fire.

 

[Luig]

They made a custom move pointless through buffing. Great job.

I've been fooling around with dtilt and the 361 degree angle is amazing at edgeuarding, moreso than I thought.

 

[MarioMeteor]

They made a custom move pointless through buffing. Great job.

I've been fooling around with dtilt and the 361 degree angle is amazing at edgeuarding, moreso than I thought.

I mean, it's not like it was very useful before. Unless you really, REALLY loved pressing B.

 

[Pyr]

I've had a chance to really mull over and test Luigi's changes. Here's my analysis:

D-Tilt: The tripping is good (but at a 0.35 rating still), and the edgeguard from the ledge is good, but we lose it as a 50/50 from jab. Well, we still have it, but it doesn't lead into much anymore. People are sent too far away to follow up. Who was using it for edgeguards, anyway? We have several tools better at that then D-Tilt will ever be.

Fireball: The big one. Jab-locking missed techs wasn't a huge deal, since we have a few moves that extend it and we can Up-B after the first, anyway. The 3 frames increase the deadzone where we can't get grab off of a fireball by half a Luigi. Considering that we're either in their face or just close enough to get to the sweetspot zone for fireball, we now need get in slightly more overall to get a grab off of it. It does hurt our approach a bit.

Fair: It combos... The same, save for like 10 matchups at specific ranges. It does let us get an extra up-air at a specific range in all matchups, so that's nice. It REALLY hurts air footsies, though. Now, we either have to Bair to get a decent reward (and stale it, so D-Throw > Bair is less potent), or we go with Fair and lose 1/9 of the damage each session. It MAY lead to a forced grab due to universal landing lag that characters have (2-3 frames of animation), but that will take a lot more testing.

U-Throw: D-Throw > Nair kills well before this kills even still, so I don't see the point to the buff.

Up-B: Ya... It kills 10% earlier, but how often are you getting it? How often do people let you hard-punish with it? It's a definite plus, but one that won't play into our game every game or set.

Overall, he loses a grab option, has a nerfed approach option, worse footsies in the air, a better, but irrelevant, up throw, and a better up-B.

Overall, I think he has the same power level as before. It's just distributed differently.

 

[MarioMeteor]

I just wish they would do something about Luigi's recovery.

 

[Steelballray]

U-Throw: D-Throw > Nair kills well before this kills even still, so I don't see the point to the buff.

Up-B: Ya... It kills 10% earlier, but how often are you getting it? How often do people let you hard-punish with it? It's a definite plus, but one that won't play into our game every game or set.

U-throw: Well, if you grab the opponent when theyre at like, 120 at top platform its the best kill option I guess, and whatever they give I think we should gladly take, so I wouldnt call it useless.

Up-B: if your opponent has a big hurtbox and/or you trained enough and have good reflections the up-B will be a much better tool than you say. with enough training you can combo it from D-throw reliably too.

 

[Steelballray]

I just wish they would do something about Luigi's recovery.

Looks like we gotta learn how to mash..

 

[MarioMeteor]

Looks like we gotta learn how to mash..

Unfortunately, not everyone is Boss and has fingers granted to them by God himself. I don't get why they nerfed it from Brawl, it was perfect there.

 

[Steelballray]

Unfortunately, not everyone is Boss and has fingers granted to them by God himself. I don't get why they nerfed it from Brawl, it was perfect there.

I think theres a certain technique for it where its less like brutal mashing and more like vibrating your finger on the b button. I wish Boss would come and show us the way to do it, make a video or something. Can't any of you guys contact him? It would be awesome if he can pay us a visit over here and give us some tips on mashing and other stuff.

 

[lijero13ss]

Wait what changed about his up throw? And is there evidence of this?

Also, his up b kills 6 to 7 % earlier, not 10
Do we have proof of fair dealing less hitstun?

 

[lijero13ss]

Unfortunately, not everyone is Boss and has fingers granted to them by God himself. I don't get why they nerfed it from Brawl, it was perfect there.

meh too easy in brawl imo

 

[Luig]

64 mashing was perfect. I can do JRC, but I don't know anybody else besides Boss that can do so.

 

[MarioMeteor]

meh too easy in brawl imo

Exactly. That's why it was perfect, considering it was impossible to do in 64 and Melee. I generally like my characters with good recoveries.

 

[Luig]

Too me, 64 was perfect. Maybe that's just me with the 13 times a second mashing.

 

[MarioMeteor]

I wouldn't know. It's probably been like half a decade since I've played 64. I remember Luigi being at his worst there, though.

 

[Luig]

Yes, he was bottom tier. I meant the mashing requirement.

Global change found by dantarion:
Everybody has had their rolls, sidesteps, airdodges(I think? but I know the first two) intangibility frames reduced by 1.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Damn it. And I was getting so good at sidestepping, too.

 

[Luig]

Certainly helps with fg samus.

But this isn't fg!

 

[MrTeddyBear]

Do we have proof of fair dealing less hitstun?

Less damage > Less knockback > Less hitstun

 

[Luig]

It doesn't directly do less hitstun: it simply does less knockback at a percent where there would have been more knockback and therefore, more hitstun.

 

[MarioMeteor]

Certainly helps with fg samus.

But this isn't fg!

For Glory Samuses (Sami?) are so easy to predict. I can't tell you the amount of times I just let a FG Samus roll right into my down smash.