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AndreaAC

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Oh absolutely, those both are perfect examples of really good, creepy environmental storytelling, and if it kept it that way I'd have no quarrels whatsoever. Was moreso just thinking how gore could be utilized if at all in Metroid :p
There's plenty of ways to show brutality and absolute annihilation without gore, gore's just the easiest to think with
xP Yeah, just intestines out and stuff! xD In fact, I wanted to practice to draw a LITTLE bit of bloody stuff without going as far as to put hanging insides, and I was going to use Ridley for it, bit was just trying to brainstorm stuff.
 

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Right, I'm not saying go crazy on the gore and make everything explosions of blood like Doom. I'm just saying go realistic with the violence (and don't give the player the means to make it as gory as Doom) and if that pushes it into an M-rating, I think it could still work as a Metroid game. Think violence less like Doom, more like Halo.
I've never felt that any of them needed to be M-rated; the series is perfectly fine the way it is. I just think of all Nintendo's franchises, Metroid would be the best fit for an M title, especially the Prime games. Especially if we ever see Ridley fighting someone besides Samus, like a team of Feds. Cause without censoring, that would be... quite something.
 
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I think it's possible he might take on the role of Final Boss more often nowadays considering he was made into one in the remake of Metroid II. I dunno if he'll become any more significant in the narrative, since Metroid games have always been sparse in story-telling, but at the very least he won't be going away any time soon.

As for spin-offs of him in a playable role, eh, I seriously doubt that. If Bowser hasn't gotten his own stand-alone title yet (Bowser's Inside Story doesn't count since the Mario Bros. still play a major role as playable characters), I don't think Ridley would get one before him.
I'm talking less "hey let's give Ridley this backstory about daddy issues" and more just fleshing out his personality as MasterOfKnees MasterOfKnees said, so I agree that from a narrative point of view little will change. And yeah, expecting a spinoff starring Ridley is a pipe dream (even if it had amazing potential). After FF Nintendo won't dare try a spinoff until the series firmly reestablishes itself. Which will hopefully be soon with Prime 4.



I think the obvious effect this will have is that Ridley likely won't miss out on a Metroid game again, at the very least not any time soon. When people pick up a game from a series in Smash, they expect to see the characters they know, this is most evident with the constant confusion around Fire Emblem and the many "Is Marth/Roy/Ike/etc in this game?" questions, so regardless of how convoluted the excuses they find are, I don't expect we'll see a repeat of Metroid II or Prime 2. Obviously we know this won't hold true for Dark Samus, but Ridley is presented as the primary antagonist, so there'll be a bigger expectation to see him, just having him in trailers will catch people's eyes.

Smash's character designs often influence the original series as well, so I don't think we'll see Ridley's future designs deviate from the Smash color palette and the Other M tail tip. Of course with the Prime series happening when it does we'll still see Meta Ridley, but I still expect to see some elements of his Smash design incorporated. With how Smash has made him express his personality more than any other game, I also think we could see them dial up Ridley's cruelty in the games, and as a result maybe he'll engage in combat with more characters than just Samus to show the threat he poses.

Of course official merchandise is likely also going to increase, Ridley's in the big time now, so things with him will sell much more now.
From a planning point of view I could see Ridley being more important, as in when coming up with the plot they'll be more conscious of implementing him. I think there are justifiable reasons for Ridley's exclusion in RoS, Echoes, Hunters, and FF. I think you could justify most of his inclusions with Fusion being justified in retrospect. I personally don't see Metroid getting spinoffs of any sort for a long time so I doubt a Hunters/FF situation rises again. Of course Prime 4 may be exempt from influence from Ultimate given the development overlap. But in general I agree with you on this one, showing more personality seems like an obvious and simple change.
 

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I'm not really a fan of the idea of M-rated Nintendo games. I got to enjoy Metroid Prime and fall in love with the series when I was 6/7 years old. If it was an M-rated game with lots of violence, I'd probably never be allowed to touch it. Even then, it was dark enough, with the first scene in the game having you explore the Frigate Orpheon and scanning dead Space Pirates to find out how they died from spinal cord injuries, poisoning, etc. It didn't need to be explicit.

Same with Legend of Zelda. My favorite is Twilight Princess, but in discussions of it, I've seen two extremes: the people who think it was "too dark," equatable to the Christopher Nolan Batman movies (****ing what), and the people who want something darker, with blood and gore. But I think that blood and gore would turn it from a fantasy game that all audiences can enjoy into just another violent video game that will only appeal to certain demographics.

Nintendo strikes a very good balance with their games, making them dark when they need to be, but never gratuitous to the point that it'd be inaccessible for younger audiences or families. The rest of the games industry has much less restraint, so there's no shortage of games with major violence elsewhere. Nintendo has nothing to gain by making their games very violent, but rather they have a lot of their audience to lose.
 

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I'm not really a fan of the idea of M-rated Nintendo games. I got to enjoy Metroid Prime and fall in love with the series when I was 6/7 years old. If it was an M-rated game with lots of violence, I'd probably never be allowed to touch it. Even then, it was dark enough, with the first scene in the game having you explore the Frigate Orpheon and scanning dead Space Pirates to find out how they died from spinal cord injuries, poisoning, etc. It didn't need to be explicit.

Same with Legend of Zelda. My favorite is Twilight Princess, but in discussions of it, I've seen two extremes: the people who think it was "too dark," equatable to the Christopher Nolan Batman movies (****ing what), and the people who want something darker, with blood and gore. But I think that blood and gore would turn it from a fantasy game that all audiences can enjoy into just another violent video game that will only appeal to certain demographics.

Nintendo strikes a very good balance with their games, making them dark when they need to be, but never gratuitous to the point that it'd be inaccessible for younger audiences or families. The rest of the games industry has much less restraint, so there's no shortage of games with major violence elsewhere. Nintendo has nothing to gain by making their games very violent, but rather they have a lot of their audience to lose.
I don't remember poison ever being a cause of death (the closest thing is acid burns to the face).

In fairness to them, I feel like a lot of those scans would fly over the heads of the intended audience. The vocabulary is fairly advanced and there probably weren't a ton of people that really knew what a spinal cord or abdomen was. And that's considering if it even occurs to them to scan the corpses at all. Even then you can still see corpses with a giant insect leg planted in them, or buried in wreckage.

But for me, that's just how the games stayed fresh for me even after playing through them several times. I was always learning something new, or seeing things in a new light.
 
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._. Please don't let n-air get nerfed. Not so I can spam it like that, but it's essential to most of his combos.
 

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So it turns out Kraid is a semi-important NPC in the Adventure Mode, complete with dialog.

Admittedly said dialog is nothing but roars and screeches but Kraid having any semblance of character is hilariously amazing.
 

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I have not commented yet on my thoughts on finally being able to play as Ridley (outside of mods), so here it is.

Owning Ultimate for two weeks, it is still surreal to play a Smash Bros. game that a year ago I would have considered a "pipe dream". Every single veteran in the history of the series. Nearly every stage in the history of the series (with over 100 stages total). K. Rool added at long last. Castlevania characters added to the series. And of course, Ridley, actually being a part of the roster.

Playing as him for the first time actually made me misty. This was something I had fantasized about for nearly 20 years. Ridley's design is amazing. I really like how he looks and moves, and its better than I even imagined. His attacks also capture his cruelty and ferocious nature very well. Personally, I also find Ridley very fun to play as too. I am still getting use to aspects of his moveset, but he is very fun to play as. I can definitely say it was worth the wait.

It is still a tad difficult to believe that this game (Ultimate) is real. This would be something I probably would have shot down as "not being feasible" yet here it is. A game with over 70 playable characters and over 100 stages.

After DLC wrapped up for Smash 4, for the first time ever, I gave very little thought to the future of Smash Bros. I thought there was nothing the future of the series could offer me, especially considering it seemed like the one character I hoped for the most (Ridley) would likely never be added in.

Yet not only Ultimate added in Ridley, but it also gave me various other things I wanted to see but also thought impossible or extremely unlikely (every character returning and Castlevania being a part of the roster and having lots of content in general). Ultimate is truly "special".

I really like playing as Ridley and I am extremely grateful to Sakurai and his team for finally being able to figure out how to implement him as a fighter. Even if Ridley might turn out to be low tier, I still enjoy playing as him and I like his moveset.

Even the fact that I know own a piece of merchandise of Ridley feels incredible (the Ridley amiibo).

Its not just Ridley, "everyone is here", over 100 stages, Castlevania, and K. Rool. There are many other things I like about Ultimate. Dark Samus is a very welcome addition to the roster, that truly makes Ultimate the dream match Metroid fans have been waiting for. We even got the return of Brinstar Depths and Frigate Orpheon, as well as Lower Norfair finally having a remix in Smash Bros.

The Mii costumes are fantastic too, and give at least a shout out to minor Nintendo franchises that had their last installment a decade ago. Isaac, Ray MKIII, Saki, Lip, and Chibi Robo all had good consolation prizes as far as I am concerned. The spirits also give focus to nearly every Nintendo character I can possible think of, with many having an event match featured around them. Seeing obscure details about Pico (F-Zero) and Leif (Fire Emblem) featured in their spirit battles, really made me smile.

Thinking back as a child back in 1999 about the possibility of Ridley being a part of the roster, I could not have imagined what Smash Bros. would eventually become. It has expanded beyond Nintendo, and given spotlight to gaming all-stars in general. Basically nearly every major Nintendo character I could think of to be added to the roster has now been added in or given focus through a Mii costume (in the case of some like the C-list heroes mentioned earlier and Toad).

When I was playing Brawl ten years ago, my thoughts were, "if only they added in Ridley, Mewtwo, and Roy, then this game's roster would have been perfect". If I only knew what the installment released a decade later would bring. It is absolutely amazing.

Playing as Ridley is the end to an era for me. For nearly two decades, it only existed as a dream and thought concept. Thinking about how he would move how he would attack. Being able to do dream match ups with other various Nintendo villains. Heck, even doing a tag team with Dark Samus against Samus is incredible, and the kind of dream match up that had me initially excited about when I first became a fan of Smash Bros. back in 1999. It might very well be the final tether to my childhood (especially on the dream side of things).

Even though Ridley never happened for Melee, Brawl, or Smash 4, I am at least able to enjoy him alongside the characters for all of those games as well as the stages for those games (having Ridley on Brinstar Depths alone is a big deal for me, or rather a really, really big deal since it does involve Kraid too afterall). Having all those stages come back for this game meant even though Ridley did not make it in for the previous titles, I could at least enjoy him the environments introduced for those games.

Even seeing Ridley don bunny ears, a raccoon tail, or wielding a giant sledge hammer brings a smile to my face. Even as evil and cruel as Ridley is, he is still a part of the Smash Bros. roster, and that means being caught in many silly and nonsensical situations.

Thinking now. I am glad it took so long to finally add in Ridley, as it only made everything that Ultimate has given, even more satisfying. Ultimate seems like the culmination of everything I had hoped for with the series when I first started following it in early 1999, and what it had opened up to when Snake was confirmed in 2006. Ridley's addition comes with a game that realized many dreams I had for the series I thought would not happen.

And with Ridley himself, his attacks and animations capture just what I had dreamed about all those years ago. Four years ago, I said this, "I quipped earlier this year that aside from death and taxes, there is a third certainty in life. That third certainty is that despite the amount of popular support he has for inclusion in a Smash Bros. game (Melee, Brawl, Project M, Smash 4) he never gets in as a playable character." As another newcomer for Ultimate (who also seemed like that their chance of ever getting in sailed with Smash 4) is fond of saying, "anything can change".

Ridley making it onto the roster is still a miracle. Sakurai had only changed his mind a year after his interview in November 2014, and for a game slated to have by far the fewest newcomers of any game in the series. I am grateful and thankful that Sakurai re-evaluated his conceptions about Ridley and that he and his team were able to find a way to make him work in Smash Bros. I really wish I could personally thank him and his team for realizing this distant dream.

That is really the narrative with Ultimate. Many of the characters added to the roster were characters that most had written off.

Who would have thought a year ago that the newcomers for Ultimate would consist of Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, Daisy, Chrom, Dark Samus, Richter, and Ken? Heck, even with Incineroar, the conventional wisdom was that Decidueye or Mimikyu was going to be the Sun/Moon rep. The only newcomer Ultimate had that was in line with traditional expectations was Inkling. Even Isabelle most of the core fanbase did not think of her as a possibility until echoes were announced as a feature (and even there, Isabelle ended up being a semi-clone).

Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, Inkling, and Isabelle were definitely the biggest names that they could have gone with, and are all titans (Ridley and K. Rool being the two most wanted newcomers for the last 10 years, Simon being a gaming icon, and Inkling and Isabelle being the two biggest Nintendo characters that were created during the 2010s).

I wrote a lot more than I thought, but I will just say, that finally being able to play as Ridley in Smash Bros. is both surreal and extremely fun. I hope that many others are enjoying Ultimate and what it has brought as much as I have.
 

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I have not commented yet on my thoughts on finally being able to play as Ridley (outside of mods), so here it is.

Owning Ultimate for two weeks, it is still surreal to play a Smash Bros. game that a year ago I would have considered a "pipe dream". Every single veteran in the history of the series. Nearly every stage in the history of the series (with over 100 stages total). K. Rool added at long last. Castlevania characters added to the series. And of course, Ridley, actually being a part of the roster.

Playing as him for the first time actually made me misty. This was something I had fantasized about for nearly 20 years. Ridley's design is amazing. I really like how he looks and moves, and its better than I even imagined. His attacks also capture his cruelty and ferocious nature very well. Personally, I also find Ridley very fun to play as too. I am still getting use to aspects of his moveset, but he is very fun to play as. I can definitely say it was worth the wait.

It is still a tad difficult to believe that this game (Ultimate) is real. This would be something I probably would have shot down as "not being feasible" yet here it is. A game with over 70 playable characters and over 100 stages.

After DLC wrapped up for Smash 4, for the first time ever, I gave very little thought to the future of Smash Bros. I thought there was nothing the future of the series could offer me, especially considering it seemed like the one character I hoped for the most (Ridley) would likely never be added in.

Yet not only Ultimate added in Ridley, but it also gave me various other things I wanted to see but also thought impossible or extremely unlikely (every character returning and Castlevania being a part of the roster and having lots of content in general). Ultimate is truly "special".

I really like playing as Ridley and I am extremely grateful to Sakurai and his team for finally being able to figure out how to implement him as a fighter. Even if Ridley might turn out to be low tier, I still enjoy playing as him and I like his moveset.

Even the fact that I know own a piece of merchandise of Ridley feels incredible (the Ridley amiibo).

Its not just Ridley, "everyone is here", over 100 stages, Castlevania, and K. Rool. There are many other things I like about Ultimate. Dark Samus is a very welcome addition to the roster, that truly makes Ultimate the dream match Metroid fans have been waiting for. We even got the return of Brinstar Depths and Frigate Orpheon, as well as Lower Norfair finally having a remix in Smash Bros.

The Mii costumes are fantastic too, and give at least a shout out to minor Nintendo franchises that had their last installment a decade ago. Isaac, Ray MKIII, Saki, Lip, and Chibi Robo all had good consolation prizes as far as I am concerned. The spirits also give focus to nearly every Nintendo character I can possible think of, with many having an event match featured around them. Seeing obscure details about Pico (F-Zero) and Leif (Fire Emblem) featured in their spirit battles, really made me smile.

Thinking back as a child back in 1999 about the possibility of Ridley being a part of the roster, I could not have imagined what Smash Bros. would eventually become. It has expanded beyond Nintendo, and given spotlight to gaming all-stars in general. Basically nearly every major Nintendo character I could think of to be added to the roster has now been added in or given focus through a Mii costume (in the case of some like the C-list heroes mentioned earlier and Toad).

When I was playing Brawl ten years ago, my thoughts were, "if only they added in Ridley, Mewtwo, and Roy, then this game's roster would have been perfect". If I only knew what the installment released a decade later would bring. It is absolutely amazing.

Playing as Ridley is the end to an era for me. For nearly two decades, it only existed as a dream and thought concept. Thinking about how he would move how he would attack. Being able to do dream match ups with other various Nintendo villains. Heck, even doing a tag team with Dark Samus against Samus is incredible, and the kind of dream match up that had me initially excited about when I first became a fan of Smash Bros. back in 1999. It might very well be the final tether to my childhood (especially on the dream side of things).

Even though Ridley never happened for Melee, Brawl, or Smash 4, I am at least able to enjoy him alongside the characters for all of those games as well as the stages for those games (having Ridley on Brinstar Depths alone is a big deal for me, or rather a really, really big deal since it does involve Kraid too afterall). Having all those stages come back for this game meant even though Ridley did not make it in for the previous titles, I could at least enjoy him the environments introduced for those games.

Even seeing Ridley don bunny ears, a raccoon tail, or wielding a giant sledge hammer brings a smile to my face. Even as evil and cruel as Ridley is, he is still a part of the Smash Bros. roster, and that means being caught in many silly and nonsensical situations.

Thinking now. I am glad it took so long to finally add in Ridley, as it only made everything that Ultimate has given, even more satisfying. Ultimate seems like the culmination of everything I had hoped for with the series when I first started following it in early 1999, and what it had opened up to when Snake was confirmed in 2006. Ridley's addition comes with a game that realized many dreams I had for the series I thought would not happen.

And with Ridley himself, his attacks and animations capture just what I had dreamed about all those years ago. Four years ago, I said this, "I quipped earlier this year that aside from death and taxes, there is a third certainty in life. That third certainty is that despite the amount of popular support he has for inclusion in a Smash Bros. game (Melee, Brawl, Project M, Smash 4) he never gets in as a playable character." As another newcomer for Ultimate (who also seemed like that their chance of ever getting in sailed with Smash 4) is fond of saying, "anything can change".

Ridley making it onto the roster is still a miracle. Sakurai had only changed his mind a year after his interview in November 2014, and for a game slated to have by far the fewest newcomers of any game in the series. I am grateful and thankful that Sakurai re-evaluated his conceptions about Ridley and that he and his team were able to find a way to make him work in Smash Bros. I really wish I could personally thank him and his team for realizing this distant dream.

That is really the narrative with Ultimate. Many of the characters added to the roster were characters that most had written off.

Who would have thought a year ago that the newcomers for Ultimate would consist of Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, Daisy, Chrom, Dark Samus, Richter, and Ken? Heck, even with Incineroar, the conventional wisdom was that Decidueye or Mimikyu was going to be the Sun/Moon rep. The only newcomer Ultimate had that was in line with traditional expectations was Inkling. Even Isabelle most of the core fanbase did not think of her as a possibility until echoes were announced as a feature (and even there, Isabelle ended up being a semi-clone).

Ridley, K. Rool, Simon, Inkling, and Isabelle were definitely the biggest names that they could have gone with, and are all titans (Ridley and K. Rool being the two most wanted newcomers for the last 10 years, Simon being a gaming icon, and Inkling and Isabelle being the two biggest Nintendo characters that were created during the 2010s).

I wrote a lot more than I thought, but I will just say, that finally being able to play as Ridley in Smash Bros. is both surreal and extremely fun. I hope that many others are enjoying Ultimate and what it has brought as much as I have.

You sir write great articles should write more on smash bros i would read them.

Also we need more of this postive post there is so many on gamefaq and aeven a few on here that can't see the woods for the trees
 

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:> Had to do this one quickly since I am gonna be out celebrating with family since the 24th. :D Hope everyone has a great Christmas alongside your family and friends, and you know, happy new year!
 

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man getting 9.9 in story mode is irritating one slip up and you just wasted your time
 

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Pretty much. Can tell I’ll get it eventually through practice (protip: skewer with Ridley when the Hands are stunned in addition to smash attacks I guess), but to save myself the annoyance of it for now, just been Spirit Board grinding and other things on the game here and there while waiting for some remaining legendary spirits to slowly finish leveling up at the gym. Upgrading the Mother Brain spirit to her 2nd form which makes you start out with super mushroom effect makes me wish I had done it sooner.
 

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I know I could more easily get 9.9 with another character, but getting it through getting better with Ridley will give me a (heh) bigger sense of accomplishment far as that challenge.

Happy holidays.
 

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I know I could more easily get 9.9 with another character, but getting it through getting better with Ridley will give me a (heh) bigger sense of accomplishment far as that challenge.

Happy holidays.
Getting a 9.9 with Ridley is not very difficult.

Here are some tips for the Zero Suit Samus match (the last fighter you face before Master Hand), you have two options when you get her on the platform that floats by on Frigate Orpheon. You either side-b her and hope she gets KO'd before you, or you can retreat from the platform once it gets too far out, and then she is unable to recover make to the main platform, and is thus KO'd. This is done very early in the match, so finishing the match quickly would raise your stat up to 9.9 if you were only 9.2 by the time you get to Zero Suit Samus.
 
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Oh, ZSS never gave me that much trouble in finishing fast, but thanks for the tips still. It’s mostly the Hands who put my Ridley in a constant disadvantage state until I finally kill one of them which makes me finish with 9.8 instead of 9.9, though part of it’s just me being rusty at fighting the Hand duo in general. If Ridley had any of the other bosses as his last classic mode enemy I’d have been done with it already.

edit: Well now I got it after some more practice.

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I used to think resetera was a good forum, but the mods seem to abuse there power, I got banned because I posted against the spirit battles being racist. I thought gamefaq was bad but at least you don't get banned by voicing your opinion it's complete BS
 

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I used to think resetera was a good forum, but the mods seem to abuse there power, I got banned because I posted against the spirit battles being racist. I thought gamefaq was bad but at least you don't get banned by voicing your opinion it's complete BS
idk man I've seen a guy have a literal nazi in his profile pic for a month because he's buddy buddy with some of the mods here. And a guy got unbanned from his permaban here because he knew an admin and asked her on twitter.

As for the Spirits, there are multiple bad cases of unfortunate implications whether it's intentional or not
 

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idk man I've seen a guy have a literal nazi in his profile pic for a month because he's buddy buddy with some of the mods here. And a guy got unbanned from his permaban here because he knew an admin and asked her on twitter.

As for the Spirits, there are multiple bad cases of unfortunate implications whether it's intentional or not
it's ppl just making things mean things it does not, there choosing to spin it that way and need to stop and put there efforts on actual problems. I am willing to bet the poster is not actually offended by it and just wanted to stir the pot or looking for his 15 min of fame. What there doing is causing more hate and division no putting them together
 

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it's ppl just making things mean things it does not, there choosing to spin it that way and need to stop and put there efforts on actual problems. I am willing to bet the poster is not actually offended by it and just wanted to stir the pot or looking for his 15 min of fame. What there doing is causing more hate and division no putting them together
I could explain why this is an issue and how there are many ways to better handle it as society influences people and people who make media are influenced by society and ever since the 1800's creators have found themselves situations in which whether intentional or not, they give implications which discriminate others. Charles Dickens for example changed some of his workd after criticism of Jewish stereotypes and discrimination of people with smaller statures and provide arguments to why I believe some of the bad Spirit examples could entirely be accidental like Paz and TAC but I have a feeling you're not really going to care
 

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I could explain why this is an issue and how there are many ways to better handle it as society influences people and people who make media are influenced by society and ever since the 1800's creators have found themselves situations in which whether intentional or not, they give implications which discriminate others. Charles Dickens for example changed some of his workd after criticism of Jewish stereotypes and discrimination of people with smaller statures and provide arguments to why I believe some of the bad Spirit examples could entirely be accidental like Paz and TAC but I have a feeling you're not really going to care
Nintendo did not intend this to be racist and it's others that make it racist. If you edit out things everytime someone whines there be nothing left, ppl just need to stop playing the victim , the worlds out to get them. I would like to believe ppl have enough common sense to know when a thing is meant to offend or not the world is not going to cater around you ( not you but the complainers). Hope I can explain this well but it's like little kids when they will twist anything there family/friends say into something funny like a nasty/dirty joke like some will call it having a dirty mind. It just comes together as people seeing what they want to see instead of sitting back and thinking if this is really meant to offend.
 
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The Game & Watch feather got removed after the problem with it was brought up; they're not intentionally malicious. I doubt that those cherrypicking an example out of like the thousands of spirit battles would have gotten the game anyway.

Was kinda late to seeing this, but still got an hour left of the 25th on my end, so...

 

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The Game & Watch feather got removed after the problem with it was brought up; they're not intentionally malicious.
Pretty much. Nintendo was also pretty quick to edit Jynx once someone brought up the blackface connotations. Nintendo isn't actively trying to push a racist agenda, they're just ignorant of the implications of their designs until someone points it out.
Also somewhat embarrassing, but I didn't realize they were feathers at first. Thought they were some kind of bandana.
 

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Nintendo did not intend this to be racist and it's others that make it racist. If you edit out things everytime someone whines there be nothing left, ppl just need to stop playing the victim , the worlds out to get them. I would like to believe ppl have enough common sense to know when a thing is meant to offend or not the world is not going to cater around you ( not you but the complainers). Hope I can explain this well but it's like little kids when they will twist anything there family/friends say into something funny like a nasty/dirty joke like some will call it having a dirty mind. It just comes together as people seeing what they want to see instead of sitting back and thinking if this is really meant to offend.
I knew it, you weren't actually listening as I even said I believe some of the spirits were purely offensivd by accident, those being TAC, Paz and now that I remembered him, Sandman. Ibthought about all of these and thought "This was most likely an oversight"
 

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I knew it, you weren't actually listening as I even said I believe some of the spirits were purely offensivd by accident, those being TAC, Paz and now that I remembered him, Sandman. Ibthought about all of these and thought "This was most likely an oversight"
I dunno. I tend to stay out of political arguments, and I'll usually assume good faith and people aren't trying to be malicious. Still, I did raise my eyebrows at the Sandman one. That one should have been handled better. I guess another Mac would have been best, though a Jiggles may also have worked if you wanted to take on the Sandman = sleeping idea.

The Tac one, however, I can definitely say it wasn't designed to be racist. Remember as early as E3 that that villager didn't have dark skin. I'm sure they programmed the Spirit battle long before they decided to darken the skin tone of one random male villager, and they just independently picked that one. But again, considering they wanted a villager for the pocket move and the butterfly net, and considering the Tac is a yellow cat thing, why didn't they just go with Isabelle in her black or green outfit? That would have fit much better anyway.
 

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I dunno. I tend to stay out of political arguments, and I'll usually assume good faith and people aren't trying to be malicious. Still, I did raise my eyebrows at the Sandman one. That one should have been handled better. I guess another Mac would have been best, though a Jiggles may also have worked if you wanted to take on the Sandman = sleeping idea.

The Tac one, however, I can definitely say it wasn't designed to be racist. Remember as early as E3 that that villager didn't have dark skin. I'm sure they programmed the Spirit battle long before they decided to darken the skin tone of one random male villager, and they just independently picked that one. But again, considering they wanted a villager for the pocket move and the butterfly net, and considering the Tac is a yellow cat thing, why didn't they just go with Isabelle in her black or green outfit? That would have fit much better anyway.
DK is the only opponent stronger than Sandman so I believe it referenced that

Dee Jay however doesn't even play like Diddy or anything so I can't defend that
 

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I've heard that Dee Jay has an attack that's almost exactly like Diddy's side special, so that might be the connection, though haven't really played as him in Street Fighter enough to know myself.

Huh, this is kinda cool. A customized version of the amiibo that someone did of the golden alt.

 
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I've heard that Dee Jay has an attack that's almost exactly like Diddy's side special, so that might be the connection, though haven't really played as him in Street Fighter enough to know myself.
Personally I felt his Back Flip custom in 4 was more like Adon's Jaguar Tooth.
 

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I knew it, you weren't actually listening as I even said I believe some of the spirits were purely offensivd by accident, those being TAC, Paz and now that I remembered him, Sandman. Ibthought about all of these and thought "This was most likely an oversight"
I did listen, those things are not racist it's just people making it that
 

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"Thinking something is racist makes you racist" is a really bad argument, btw.
when did I say there racist ?

I literally ****ing said I don't believe those examples are racist but rather very unfortunate oversights. My deaf mother is able to listen at a higher lever than you
maybe you aint listening I am saying there is no oversight because there is nothing wrong or offensive with the spirits
 

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maybe you aint listening I am saying there is no oversight because there is nothing wrong or offensive with the spirits
Hmmm let's see why people would think that
Paz: Not racist but still VERY yikes. Her Spirit effect gives you a bob-omb. She died due to a bomb likely placed in her vagina in MGSV: Ground Zeroes and she was sexually abused by bad guys in both games she's in
TAC: TAC steals ****. One of the black skins portrays TAC. A lot of racism black people face are that they're accused of being thugs who steal ****
Sandman/Dee Jay: A common way for people to discriminate against black people is by calling them apes/monkeys. Who portray Sandman and Dee Jay? The monkeys.

HMMMM I WONDER WHY PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER THESE TO BE SOMEWHAT OFFENSIVE

I'm not even allowed to say "I think these weren't meant to be offensive but rather oversights similar to the feather" smh.
 

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Hmmm let's see why people would think that
Paz: Not racist but still VERY yikes. Her Spirit effect gives you a bob-omb. She died due to a bomb likely placed in her vagina in MGSV: Ground Zeroes and she was sexually abused by bad guys in both games she's in
TAC: TAC steals ****. One of the black skins portrays TAC. A lot of racism black people face are that they're accused of being thugs who steal ****
Sandman/Dee Jay: A common way for people to discriminate against black people is by calling them apes/monkeys. Who portray Sandman and Dee Jay? The monkeys.

HMMMM I WONDER WHY PEOPLE WOULD CONSIDER THESE TO BE SOMEWHAT OFFENSIVE

I'm not even allowed to say "I think these weren't meant to be offensive but rather oversights similar to the feather" smh.
TAC is black and he is portrayed as a black guy in the game how is that bad, and if he was a white guy it would be okay to portray white ppl as thieves? ppl need to use there common sense and figure out what is meant to be offensive or not. This poor me phase is getting old seems like everything is offending someone these days you give them one thing they immediately jump to another were is the line going to be drawn. People in the past that are actually going threw hardship would be befuzzled at the things ppl complain about today.
 

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TAC is black and he is portrayed as a black guy in the game how is that bad, and if he was a white guy it would be okay to portray white ppl as thieves? ppl need to use there common sense and figure out what is meant to be offensive or not. This poor me phase is getting old seems like everything is offending someone these days you give them one thing they immediately jump to another were is the line going to be drawn. People in the past that are actually going threw hardship would be befuzzled at the things ppl complain about today.
First of all TAC isn't s a black guy, TAC is very clearly a typical Japanese thief with the black clothes, similar to what inspired Alolan Rattata. You can even see TAC's skin colour. I don't even believe TAC's spirit was meant to be this as we have proof the nonblack skins weren't planned until so late in development it was after E3 2018

Second, congratulations, you will now be seen as racist for going "ARE YOU SAYING IT'S OK TO TREAT WHITE PEOPLE LIKE THIS?" after saying "THERE IS NOTHING RACIST OR OFFENSIVE ABOUT CALLING BLACK PEOPLE MONKEYS OR APES".

Third, you're clearly a ****ing idiot if you believe people aren't going through any hardships based on discrimination these days. Bye bye, you've proven you're racist and not worth my time
EDIT: The least I can do is show a typical Japanese thief

HMMMM I WONDER WHAT TAC IS BASED ON
 
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