Low Tier Hero's

[Jiv]

But don't avoid having a high or top tier secondary just bc they're higher on the tier list. That's dumb.

 

[JacopeX]

But don't avoid having a high or top tier secondary just bc they're higher on the tier list. That's dumb.

Nah, I just don't find the top tier characters interesting.

I just pick who I think is cool. XD

 

[Jockmaster]

Lel Fox mains check your privilege

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

yoooooooo i was thinking the same thing!

 

[ZelDan]

If I was going to be a low tier hero I'd probably go with Young Link as well.

Unfortunately I'm a high tier zero so that probably won't happen. >_>

 

[Divinokage]

Edit: And learn to shield drop, and make lots of use of it. Seriously, not enough people do that, but it's huge. It's techniques like that which can put low tier players at an advantage. I believe Axe would agree with me on this too - he seems to have caught on. This is also the reason Kage The Bull doesn't place as high as he could (though he still does incredibly well with Ganon.)

What? It's certainly not one little technique that makes it that im not placing higher than I could. It's usually because I lose to the top 5 players consistently.

 

[Jockmaster]

What? It's certainly not one little technique that makes it that im not placing higher than I could. It's usually because I lose to the top 5 players consistently.

nah Kage just accept the fact that because you can't shield drop, you will always get pooed on by PP, Mango, and the like

what a sad existence

 

[Divinokage]

nah Kage just accept the fact that because you can't shield drop, you will always get pooed on by PP, Mango, and the like

what a sad existence

Pooed by Mango? For me he's the easiest to deal with compared to the other 3.

 

[Jockmaster]

Pooed by Mango? For me he's the easiest to deal with compared to the other 3.

sarcasm homes

 

[Divinokage]

sarcasm homes

And I was just following along.

Edit: Anyhow to make this post more useful, regardless of who you play you have to be able to control your character perfectly and very quickly meaning you are able to throw out moves on the first frames possible if you wanted. You have to understand the stun properties when you land a hit, the ranges.. how hitbox interact with each other. When you can do all that then you can much more easily exploit player's habits since you'll already understand every move. If you want to be a hero then you have to abuse what the players don't understand about your character or do things they wouldn't normally expect. I think before you can use your creativity in those cases, you have to understand your character and every matchup very well.

 

[t3chn0g0at]

Pray you don't face Sheik; then you're golden.

 

[Massive]

I occasionally entertain the idea of entering tourneys twice.

Once as Kirby (Evil Massive) and once as Jigglypuff (Regular Massive).

Then I remember Fox is a character and hold onto my money.

 

[KrazyKnux]

What? It's certainly not one little technique that makes it that im not placing higher than I could. It's usually because I lose to the top 5 players consistently.

Yeah but you gotta be beating the top 5 players! It's those small but useful techniques low tier players need to utilize, and I just used shield dropping as a good example since I think it's the most useful one that you're missing, IMO.

imo.

 

[I R MarF]

Young Link and Yoshi are easily the most underrated characters in the game. IMO, they are both better than DK.

 

[ElloEddy]

Pray you don't face Sheik; then you're golden.

i would probably go falco for that ..but i have beat some sheiks with ylink though

 

[odinNJ]

I would say give up, but then again you dont play roy.




(I pretty much play marth now, tho I remain interested in Roy)

 

[TheGoat]

I play bowser. Two important things

1) You have to like your character. Various reasons apply.
2)Your characters metagame will develop and you will be a part of it. If you don't believe that, you will be stuck in the mentality that your character sucks and has no potential ever=gg

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

goat, you play bowser? how come i never see you posting in the bowser boards?

agree with the above post.

 

[Tee ay eye]

most of the lower tiers are boring as **** IMO

although some of them are really sick

mario, ganon, pikachu, samus, doc, YL, and yoshi are all tight (maybe more)

but man

i'd have quit this game like 4 years ago if i played like

zelda or kirby

 

[a nub]

I picked up bowser a while ago

I think playing such a garbage char is helping me read more so it's good for more than just ****ing around

 

[ElloEddy]

I picked up bowser a while ago

I think playing such a garbage char is helping me read more so it's good for more than just ****ing around

lol bowser aint garbage ...warrior knight would disagree ..but you going to sudden death ?

 

[Deleted member]

i'd have quit this game like 4 years ago if i played like

zelda or kirby

you're just mad cause you don't understand true love.

;_;

 

[a nub]

lol bowser aint garbage ...warrior knight would disagree ..but you going to sudden death ?

Bowser's def *** lol. He's so slow that pretty much everything you do has to be a hard read, it's tough but he's fun

Also nah I don't come back to ny until the 24th but I should be at no johns

 

[ZetTroxX]

Stick to your char and don´t let others bring you down. You have no ****ing limits. No one plays perfect. Everyone is beatable. **** yeaaaaaaaaah!

 

[Jockmaster]

Except if you use Bowser you will get bodied by basically everyone

 

[ZetTroxX]

Í´ll just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR3Z0ecchYc

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

Stick to your char and don´t let others bring you down. You have no ****ing limits. No one plays perfect. Everyone is beatable. **** yeaaaaaaaaah!

ZetTroxX
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[Twinkles]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1j4IEMzyKI&list=LLyvObIGaAQrJkHq5TPxEVMA

The second match is why low tier hero's exist

 

[standardtoaster]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1j4IEMzyKI&list=LLyvObIGaAQrJkHq5TPxEVMA

The second match is why low tier hero's exist

cactuar stamina pancake is the future

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

I play Mario, Y. Link, and Mewtwo. I like the way they play the most, I like them best as characters, and I like not feeling guilty when I win.

My favorite players to watch are also the AZ players like Axe, Taj, and Vectorman.

I also thought that Scorpion Master was great while it lasted.

 

[ZetTroxX]

ZetTroxX
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Nice attempt being funny.

In the post right above of yours I linked the set Ice vs Hack - Hack wins two games with Kirby vs Marth. I don´t know the matchup that good, but lots of people consider it as a 90-10 favor for Marth or something. Imo this is a good example of what I said before - It´s possible to beat any char with any char - even at high level gaming.

But hey - I got Falcos face in my profile. Sure I don´t know anything about this game.

 

[Deleted member]

In the post right above of yours I linked the set Ice vs Hack - Hack wins two games with Kirby vs Marth. I don´t know the matchup that good, but lots of people consider it as a 90-10 favor for Marth or something. Imo this is a good example of what I said before - It´s possible to beat any char with any char - even at high level gaming.

Ice played like a total embarrassment in the first two games and deserves to have lost a nearly impossible MU. That has nothing to do with "everything being possible" and much to do with Ice just playing like total garbage. If your idea of "possible" means relying on your opponents to play completely awful every time you go into a set, you're making a very poor sales pitch for everyone else reading this thread.

 

[poega]

I honestly believe there is alot of success to be had from playing low-tiers. The problem is that you get punished alot harder and every strategical error will hurt u more than others. U must always know the MU really well etc. Every single character in this games have unique advantages, gotta learn to abuse them and be innovative overall.

 

[ZetTroxX]

Ice played like a total embarrassment in the first two games and deserves to have lost a nearly impossible MU. That has nothing to do with "everything being possible" and much to do with Ice just playing like total garbage. If your idea of "possible" means relying on your opponents to play completely awful every time you go into a set, you're making a very poor sales pitch for everyone else reading this thread.

Yeah, because it´s just about Ice playing bad - not Hack playing good.

"If Ice played good he´d have won easily vs Hack".

But what really happened? Ice lost the first game - he was under enormous pressure. That pressure wouldn´t have been that huge at all if Hack played a top tier. So Hack gained even more mental momentum and won the second game. Sure, in the end Ice had the edge over Hack - but imo doesn´t that derogate the whole thing that much - that Match-up IS one of the hardest in the w

In theory we should all play Fox because he´s the best - but since we´re no robots we don´t do that (in b4 M2K pun). Playing a weaker char might be tough - but you can beat people.

I think I made my point. Now tear it apart.

 

[ElloEddy]

In theory we should all play Fox because he´s the best - but since we´re no robots we don´t do that (in b4 M2K pun). Playing a weaker char might be tough - but you can beat people.

so basically hack out played , Ice ....and his kirby trickery and tactics worked..and also the fact that noone plays a good Kirby ..just saw the set ..amazing

but you right just pick fox and camp a low tier =/ lol that's just the worst

 

[ElloEddy]

Except if you use Bowser you will get bodied by basically everyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhGAN4A30Ag ...there are 2 nyc bowser's that think different

 

[Divinokage]

Like I said, you have to become an exceptional player if you hope to dent players in the top 50 at least. You have to be better than their experience.

 

[King Funk]

ZetTroxX
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Posts: 270

Don't judge him on his join date and location, ZetTroxX is one of the most legit smashers I know.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, because it´s just about Ice playing bad - not Hack playing good.

"If Ice played good he´d have won easily vs Hack".

But what really happened? Ice lost the first game - he was under enormous pressure. That pressure wouldn´t have been that huge at all if Hack played a top tier. So Hack gained even more mental momentum and won the second game. Sure, in the end Ice had the edge over Hack - but imo doesn´t that derogate the whole thing that much - that Match-up IS one of the hardest in the w

In theory we should all play Fox because he´s the best - but since we´re no robots we don´t do that (in b4 M2K pun). Playing a weaker char might be tough - but you can beat people.

I think I made my point. Now tear it apart.

The problem with low tiers is that those characters are fundamentally flawed. If the non-flawed characters want to exploit them, they can do so with freely without retaliation. It really is about ice playing terrible- if he was doing what he was supposed to, kirby can't do anything back. it has nothing to do with how well hack played, the character simply doesn't have the tools.

what really happened is that ice played like an idiot. had he simply chosen to abuse the flawed character that is kirby, he would have won with minimal effort. it has nothing to do with pressure because kirby doesn't have pressure.

the match is only hard if the player is playing to the match-up. that match wasn't kirby vs marth, it was kirby vs a punching bag. that's not what marth looks like at all.

when i want to win, i play zelda personally. but zelda is a flawed character. i accept that at any point that my opponent could simply choose to play correctly and it would make my life much harder. it's not a matter of player skill, zelda simply doesn't have it in her programming to overcome certain character strategies.

 

[Divinokage]

If only it was really that simple, but it's not.