Little Mac, W.V.B.A. Champion confirmed for SSB4

[shinhed-echi]

so that rumor says little mac is in.


how do you feel about that. I mean, for me it was obvious.

If it's made up, I'm glad people think he has a really big shot.
If it's not made up, well... that would be a lot better of course!!! I jut hope this waiting for his reveal is worth it. (I'm sure it will be) would be awesome, though overkill at the same time, if they were to announce him in a bundle with a Super Macho Man Assist Trophy, and a King Hippo boss battle. To be honest, I think Punch Out deserves TWO characters.... But I'm not going to be greedy nor unrealistic. Little Mac is more than enough for me.

 

[BluePikmin11]

To give the best OP pic possible:

 

[Starcutter]

To give the best OP pic possible:

where do you keep finding these?

 

[BluePikmin11]

http://smashboards.com/threads/stunning-3d-smash-art-by-an-amazing-pixiv-member.338782/
Again, you must create an account so you can look at the stunning pictures.

 

[shinhed-echi]

http://smashboards.com/threads/stunning-3d-smash-art-by-an-amazing-pixiv-member.338782/
Again, you must create an account so you can look at the stunning pictures.

Thanks for the image. :D
I'll add it to the OP.

This is exactly what I have going FOR Little Mac. There's a realatively big fanbase for Punch Out in Japan ("relatively".. you know.. for a Western-like game) so this gave me very high hopes for a while back now.


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Updated my moveset.

I figured Down+B: Psyche up would be too cheap... And too rewarding for people who like to stay away in Free for Alls.... Which is why I came up with a solution.

When Little Mac GRABS an opponent, he clenches, like boxers do. Now... I know it's not his regular style.. but something must be made. Grab is already considered kind of dirty in boxing... but this would be SMASH BROS. now, the same rules wouldn't necessarily apply and grabbing is something everyone does.

SO... Little Mac would clench opponents, and when you press A while holding the opponent, instead of jabbing or hitting, Little Mac will drain opponent off his stamina, causing Little Mac to recover (2% per "hit").


Next I've rearranged the Specials.

B: Dizzy Punch (something Kirby could copy... Star Punch wouldn't be in all of its potential, and Counterpunch would be near useless... so this is something useful for a B move if Kirby were to copy Mac)

B Down: Counterpunch (The move that counterattacks and adds STARS to Little Mac's Star Punch)

B Up: Star Punch

B Tilt: (Now Dodge+Punch, think Dudley's duck-dash approach. Great for pursuing spammers).

 

[SpaceJell0]

Thanks for the image. :D
I'll add it to the OP.

This is exactly what I have going FOR Little Mac. There's a realatively big fanbase for Punch Out in Japan ("relatively".. you know.. for a Western-like game) so this gave me very high hopes for a while back now.


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Updated my moveset.

I figured Down+B: Psyche up would be too cheap... And too rewarding for people who like to stay away in Free for Alls.... Which is why I came up with a solution.

When Little Mac GRABS an opponent, he clenches, like boxers do. Now... I know it's not his regular style.. but something must be made. Grab is already considered kind of dirty in boxing... but this would be SMASH BROS. now, the same rules wouldn't necessarily apply and grabbing is something everyone does.

SO... Little Mac would clench opponents, and when you press A while holding the opponent, instead of jabbing or hitting, Little Mac will drain opponent off his stamina, causing Little Mac to recover (2% per "hit").


Next I've rearranged the Specials.

B: Dizzy Punch (something Kirby could copy... Star Punch wouldn't be in all of its potential, and Counterpunch would be near useless... so this is something useful for a B move if Kirby were to copy Mac)

B Down: Counterpunch (The move that counterattacks and adds STARS to Little Mac's Star Punch)

B Up: Star Punch

B Tilt: (Now Dodge+Punch, think Dudley's duck-dash approach. Great for pursuing spammers).

I like it! However, I've been thinking of ways Little Mac can get away with or get around grabbing so it doesn't seem out of character :/ any ideas?

Edit: Actually, maybe he can replace a grab with the "Dizzy Punch" to render his opponent helpless to his "throws" which would be attacks that knock his opponents certain ways. Maybe the Punch shouldn't do damage but just stun!

 

[shinhed-echi]

I like it! However, I've been thinking of ways Little Mac can get away with or get around grabbing so it doesn't seem out of character :/ any ideas?

Edit: Actually, maybe he can replace a grab with the "Dizzy Punch" to render his opponent helpless to his "throws" which would be attacks that knock his opponents certain ways. Maybe the Punch shouldn't do damage but just stun!

Well... clenching is the boxer's equivalent of grabbing, so it wouldn't be TOO out of character.

The other idea I had thought of, but definitely won't take advantage of the Stamina Recovery gimmick that I would like to have implemented, would be if Little Mac's grab is animated as a grab from his opponent, and him trying to struggle free.
(They made a custom grab animation for Snake in which he grabs opponents from behind, so this wouldn't be that big of a deal, would it?)

So while he is grabbing (where it appears the opponent is grabbing HIM) by mashing A he would obviously land very short jabs at the oppoent's gut.


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For whoever is still hyped as heck for the Little Mac reveal, I found something interesting to read regarding Punch Out.
I admit there's a bunch of facts I never noticed. :O

 

[BKupa666]

Two Little Mac-related thoughts I had today...

--It's not grabbing I'm curious how he'll pull off, but how he'll handle holding and wielding items while wearing boxing gloves. He'll probably just hold them regularly since it's a video game, but he must have undergone some serious training to master that.

--When Little Mac is revealed, I will put on a pink hoodie and sweats and run one mile around my college campus/neighborhood for each month of the year that has passed (e.g. seven miles in July).

 

[Opossum]

Better hope he doesn't get a December reveal!

 

[Game&Watcher]

--It's not grabbing I'm curious how he'll pull off, but how he'll handle holding and wielding items while wearing boxing gloves. He'll probably just hold them regularly since it's a video game, but he must have undergone some serious training to master that.

This is pretty much how he'd do it.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

--When Little Mac is revealed, I will put on a pink hoodie and sweats and run one mile around my college campus/neighborhood for each month of the year that has passed (e.g. seven miles in July).

Get a buddy to film that and show us.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I don't know if Little mac should be in the next smash bros guys. He's just too big.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I support Little Mac all the way.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

To help out Mac lots of people Are concerned about not kicking there are a couple characters in super smash brothers that don't kick either which is Marth and mewtwo (only one kick in Melee down aerial)

 

[LaniusShrike]

To help out Mac lots of people Are concerned about not kicking there are a couple characters in super smash brothers that don't kick either which is Marth and mewtwo (only one kick in Melee down aerial)

Are there a lot of people who are concerned about him not being able to kick? I don't feel like I've seen that being mentioned much.

I'm not sure that Marth and Mewtwo not kicking is super comforting to people who are worried about him kicking... Marth doesn't have to worry about range since he's swinging around a sword that's longer than a leg and Mewtwo uses his tail instead of kicking as well as using psychic energy to increase his range otherwise.

All the same, I think it's totally fine to accept that he'll be a short range character and that some of his attacks will move him forwards to close the distance.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I'm not worried about Little Mac kicking just as I don't see Sakurai making Peach attack with nails and bites. It would be completely off character.

Bowser is.. was another example of not kicking in Melee and Brawl.

I support Little Mac all the way.

Great! Adding you in a bit!

 

[Bowserlick]

I suppose the star mechanic should be taken into account.

B could be star punch. A simple fast punch that when it connects gives Little Mac a star. He could have up to three stars.

Each other special would have four stages. The regular stage and each other stage which would have added power and effects.
Every time a special power is used, one star is depleted.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I'm not worried about Little Mac kicking just as I don't see Sakurai making Peach attack with nails and bites. It would be completely off character.

Bowser is.. was another example of not kicking in Melee and Brawl.





Great! Adding you in a bit!

oh yea I forgot bowser dident kick in brawl/melee but now he does

 

[Bowserlick]

All Bowser does now is kick.

 

[LaniusShrike]

All Bowser does now is kick.

You should change your name to Bowserkick.

How strong do people think of Little Mac being? I think I imagine him as a super speedy attacker that wracks up damage really quickly and then just has a few moves for the KO.

 

[shinhed-echi]

You should change your name to Bowserkick.

How strong do people think of Little Mac being? I think I imagine him as a super speedy attacker that wracks up damage really quickly and then just has a few moves for the KO.

Well... exactly this, actually. XD

I think he might have a move or two to push forward while avoiding attacks (such as long ranged attacks) being the in-fighter that he is.

I also imagine that if he doesn't have particularly strong attacks, he'll have different punches with different effects, such as sleep, dizzy, turn-around (Mario's cape style, without reflecting objects), stun, or a new one such as SSFIV's focus attack where opponents drop slowly to their knees and to the ground.

I also picture him being crazy fast to attack. He's going to be the 2nd fastest attacker right after Metaknight, IMO.

 

[LaniusShrike]

Well... exactly this, actually. XD

I think he might have a move or two to push forward while avoiding attacks (such as long ranged attacks) being the in-fighter that he is.

I also imagine that if he doesn't have particularly strong attacks, he'll have different punches with different effects, such as sleep, dizzy, turn-around (Mario's cape style, without reflecting objects), stun, or a new one such as SSFIV's focus attack where opponents drop slowly to their knees and to the ground.

I also picture him being crazy fast to attack. He's going to be the 2nd fastest attacker right after Metaknight, IMO.

Ooh, the punch effects is a cool idea. Now I'm thinkin' I'd like to see him get a multi-hit combo like Marth's side special, and the last hit of the combo would have a different effect based on the direction chosen (Up would be a killing launch uppercut, Down would be a spike/stun, neutral/side could be a back-fist smack that turns enemies around).

If he has a counter special, I think I'd want it to be him dodging the blow and returning with a stunning/dizzying punch that sets up the enemy instead of just knocking them away.

 

[Bowserlick]

I don't think he should have a counter special. Maybe just a fast standing dodge.

 

[jaytalks]

I suppose the star mechanic should be taken into account.

B could be star punch. A simple fast punch that when it connects gives Little Mac a star. He could have up to three stars.

Each other special would have four stages. The regular stage and each other stage which would have added power and effects.
Every time a special power is used, one star is depleted.

I think the problem with having a fast punch being the method of gaining stars is that it's either too hard to predict when it would happen or too easy to get them in comparison to getting them in the game. The counter mechanism for gaining stars makes the most sense since it's often how you can get stars in the game, it's a working mechanism, and it requires real skill. The actual animation can be a dodge and counter attack rather than a block.

 

[Fatmanonice]

Two Little Mac-related thoughts I had today...

--It's not grabbing I'm curious how he'll pull off, but how he'll handle holding and wielding items while wearing boxing gloves. He'll probably just hold them regularly since it's a video game, but he must have undergone some serious training to master that.
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Kirby and Jigglypuff grab things with nubs, Metaknight, King Dedede, and the Ice Climbers grab with the equivalent of oven mitts, and ROB grabs with clamps. As you said, its a video game so the suspension of disbelief is pretty much called for to make a game like Smash Bros even make the slightest bit of sense.

 

[shinhed-echi]

I think a counter attack that ACTS like a counter attack but LOOKS like Mac is dodging and punching first is the best way to go.


And yeah, instead of knocking away, since LM isn't a powerhouse, gaining stars from these counterattacks would be ideal.
Or heck... if he counters a SMASH attack, then not only does he gain a star, but he leaves opponents dizzy as well. (Though I rather have them separated, to be honest).

 

[Bowserlick]

Gaining stars from a counter would be something different. A dodge and punch (that does fixed damage and small knockback) would make the counter system different than the swordsman along with the ability to collect a star.

 

[IsmaR]

I think it would be really unique/cool if the stars mechanic also played into his Final Smash. The more you have, the more devastating effect.

Speaking of, what do other people think his FS will be? I'm picturing the obligatory Dempsey Roll that sweeps the entire stage.

 

[SpaceJell0]

I think it would be really unique/cool if the stars mechanic also played into his Final Smash. The more you have, the more devastating effect.

Speaking of, what do other people think his FS will be? I'm picturing the obligatory Dempsey Roll that sweeps the entire stage.

Probably Giga Mac or 3-Star Punch is what most people think

 

[Starcutter]

Probably Giga Mac or 3-Star Punch is what most people think

I don't want Giga mac...

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I don't want Giga mac...

Sorry that's like the only option a 3 star punch does not cut it due to not really a one hit ko and its like a charge up attack earning stars

 

[Opossum]

Yeah, Giga Mac's definitely going to be the Final Smash. It just makes the most sense.

 

[Starcutter]

Sorry that's like the only option a 3 star punch does not cut it due to not really a one hit ko and its like a charge up attack earning stars

what if they gave him something new that isn't giga mac?

I would really HATE lil mac's final smash if it was that, he's really ugly and isn't like him at all.

 

[SpaceJell0]

what if they gave him something new that isn't giga mac?

I would really HATE lil mac's final smash if it was that, he's really ugly and isn't like him at all.

Well, so is Giga Bowser and he's not even in any Mario game!

 

[Starcutter]

Well, so is Giga Bowser and he's not even in any Mario game!

except the fact that it makes more sense for giga bowser to be there, being more like bowser's personality and gimmic of growing bigger.

Little mac is a boxer who uses wit to beat boxers bigger than him. that doesn't make sense for him to suddenly grow really big and beat down his opponent.

I'd rather a series of uppercuts finished with a 3-star punch. it's more present in the games and makes sense for his character.

 

[shinhed-echi]

except the fact that it makes more sense for giga bowser to be there, being more like bowser's personality and gimmic of growing bigger.

Little mac is a boxer who uses wit to beat boxers bigger than him. that doesn't make sense for him to suddenly grow really big and beat down his opponent.

I'd rather a series of uppercuts finished with a 3-star punch. it's more present in the games and makes sense for his character.

That reminds me... In the Wii Punch Out game, there are several boxers who have a particularly weakness to certain patterns, which if exploited, Little Mac can end up setting up an INFINITE series of punches.


Translation: Little Mac's final smash alternative could be landing an "infinite" punch combo on an opponent. KOing him instantly.

Truth be told though, Giga Mac is the only way I picture LM being able to KO more than 1 person at once through a FS.

 

[SpaceJell0]

Besides, playing as Giga Mac is supposed to simulate the playability of the Boxers Little Mac fights in Punch-Out!! Wii. You felt awesome as Giga Mac because you're no longer the underdog. The transfer of character from underdog to STEROIDZ DESTRUCTION feels awesome and powerful! (Just like Giga Bowser, and to some extent WarioMan) Isn't that what Final Smashes are for anyways? Punch-Out!! Wii basically gave Little Mac his Final Smash already in-game as well as his design

 

[Starcutter]

just don't like it, just saying it's not normally what little mac stands for, but the opposite.

also, he's ugly.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

what if they gave him something new that isn't giga mac?

I would really HATE lil mac's final smash if it was that, he's really ugly and isn't like him at all.

I agree, i dont want giga mac, it just doenst feel right for him to get big (and possibly slow) only to have to chase his enemies down for kills, we have enough final smash's like that.

I said it before on here but i always wanted it to go like this.

The crowd starts cheering and mac gets pumped up, he then radiates heat in a huge area around himself (think desert wavy heat). And anyone caught within that area will get a star over their head, during that they are frozen. In an instant mac uppercuts each one by zooming over to them separately, sending them in all different directions with a devistating star punch for each of them with cameras flashing in the background the whole time. It can work in the air as well and will sort of hold them in place for a bit like luigi's final smash.

 

[IsmaR]

I thought we've been over the whole Giga Mac thing before. If it was creative and all, I'd be all for it. But if it's just generic Wario-Man/Giga Bowser, noty

This is what I meant by Dempsey Roll (seriously I don't get how it's not the first thing that comes to mind when you think of Boxer / Finishing Move):

Spoiler

While it seems like a 1-person FS, similar to Link's, but the way I imagined it, he'd sweep across the stage repeatedly (think something like Weavile in Brawl) "stunning" people in place until the very last punch, which has tremendous knockback. Obviously would be easy enough to avoid.