List of Best Players at Respective Characters

[Taytertot]

oh i see. well then i feel that he may deserve best marth.

 

[NH Cody]

this list was never real. the fact that u take a best players list by blue ninjakoopa srs is laughable

 

[Karnu]

No, no, no. Trela will be better then what Gomamugitya will ever be. Trela has done the best with Lucario overall and is still a much better, faster, smarter etc. Trela has played at this year's WHOBO and placed extremely well...

IMHO you need to do well in Both singles AND doubles to justify being the better Lucario. Trela has done both countless times.

 

[NH Cody]

goyomamashamalamadingdong is obv better in dubs

only lucario in the world to win tourneys with a lowtier partner.... I don't think he does anything in singles.

 

[Karnu]

goyomamashamalamadingdong is obv better in dubs

only lucario in the world to win tourneys with a lowtier partner.... I don't think he does anything in singles.

Lucas is considered top tier in doubles though. And I don't believe noted top Japanese players like Otori, Kakera, rain etc, were at these tournaments? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong there)

Trela has many regional, national (WHOBO 4) and a international (Sktar) doubles win under his belt.

 

[Deleted member]

Trela has many regional, national (WHOBO 4) and a international (Sktar) doubles win under his belt.

only lucario in the world to win tourneys with a lowtier partner.

Goma hasnt done much in singles.
Trela beat vinnie recently and has more wins that outclass what goma has ever done.

 

[Xiao-Xiao]

Lucas is considered top tier in doubles though. And I don't believe noted top Japanese players like Otori, Kakera, rain etc, were at these tournaments? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong there)

Trela has many regional, national (WHOBO 4) and a international (Sktar) doubles win under his belt.

You're wrong about there being no noted top players. If you did like a two minute youtube search you'd find that they have beaten plenty of the top players lol. But as its been stated before, no one really follows results accurately enough to make a DECENT top player thread. Thats why these types of threads got locked in the first place because the discussion just breaks down into a bunch of arguing over who is better than who.

If people really wanted to help make a ranking in brawl that has the least amount of bias and the absolute accuracy based purely on results in relevant times, they would be supporting Chibos SSBBRank project.

*which is why this thread should be locked in the first place*

 

[Captain Zack]

Lol at SlayerZ not being best Peach.

 

[NH Cody]

Lucas is considered top tier in doubles though. And I don't believe noted top Japanese players like Otori, Kakera, rain etc, were at these tournaments? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong there)

Trela has many regional, national (WHOBO 4) and a international (Sktar) doubles win under his belt.

quotes my post and then says nothing in response

 

[Djent]

@ Captain Zack No, Kie is *much* better.

 

[JabbatheHutt]

Will not have lived a complete life till I see my name next to Wario of the Sm4sh list in a few years

 

[Karnu]

You're wrong about there being no noted top players. If you did like a two minute youtube search you'd find that they have beaten plenty of the top players lol. But as its been stated before, no one really follows results accurately enough to make a DECENT top player thread. Thats why these types of threads got locked in the first place because the discussion just breaks down into a bunch of arguing over who is better than who.

If people really wanted to help make a ranking in brawl that has the least amount of bias and the absolute accuracy based purely on results in relevant times, they would be supporting Chibos SSBBRank project.

*which is why this thread should be locked in the first place*

I can't be wrong or right, if you had a decent look I questioned it.

This thread should be locked, I agree on that. And I'm not being biased, I'm going off who has done the best overall. Heck, I think Richi needs to be questioned against Trela if anyone is to be. He does well in both singles and dubs. He took 7 stocks in crews, reversed 3 stocked a diddy on FD AND two stocked M2K with Lucario.

quotes my post and then says nothing in response

Wasn't much to respond to, Lucas is pretty viable in dubs so you can't really call him a low tier for doubles.


But anyway, ima go because I'm not going to be the reason to this thread being locked. This kinda thread shouldn't be made based off ones opinion.

 

[NH Cody]

it's lucas

he's always lowtier

 

[Deleted member]

Heck, I think Richi needs to be questioned against Trela if anyone is to be. He does well in both singles and dubs. He took 7 stocks in crews, reversed 3 stocked a diddy on FD AND two stocked M2K with Lucario.

"A diddy" isnt important if it isnt a notable diddy. 2 stocking m2k is cool, but he didnt win the set. So again, taking a game doesn't REALLY matter if they didn't take the set. Goes back to my argument of almost winning. Trela actually has set wins not "i almost won"

 

[Djent]

I actually do think ability to take games (and make games close) does count for something, but it's just not enough to compete with actual wins (especially actual wins of the caliber Trela has).

 

[Gardex]

God damn it why do people put Izaw in such a high regard when the best results he has ever done is getting 2nd place at a Swedish local in 2008-2009.

From Europe alone you got Mr. R(active, but not main), AfroTwist(active) and even Bycel(not sure about status) that can be considered better picks(especially Ramin and Afro), although Scizor is the best Link, and should get the spot.

I'm going to make a mad flashy combo video called "Triforce of Pwnage" when Smash 4 comes at and forever be known as the best link of all time.


Quik should at the very least get a mention for ZSS and ESPECIALLY Samus. Quik is the best Samus, you guys just don't know. Anything short placing him 2nd is an insult ()


Leon is also a contender for best Marth. Lately he has had comparable and even favorable results(3rd over Ramin's 4th at SBiB). Though Ramin is probably the top pick, it's at least worth a HM.



EDIT: I gave Jigglypuff her first tournament win on Smashboards Rankings over this weekend. Clearly, I'm a jigglypuff prodigy worthy of the title "XxJiGgLyPuFf_DuDe_421xX"; a name given to me by XxJiGgLyPuFf_DuDe_420xX.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Junebug is the best of all time. He beat Ally, M2k, and Dehf. Trela and Richi have not done that.

Lucas is considered top tier in doubles though. And I don't believe noted top Japanese players like Otori, Kakera, rain etc, were at these tournaments? (Someone correct me if I'm wrong there)

Trela has many regional, national (WHOBO 4) and a international (Sktar) doubles win under his belt.

Junebug got 2nd at Apex 2010 teaming with a back when double was legal...

 

[Espy Rose]

Trela's better.

 

[SFA Smiley]

this ****ing thread again.

NO.

 

[Espy Rose]

YES.

 

[Delta-cod]

I wish I knew why people are so opposed to these threads. It's not like you all have anything better to be doing.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I wish I knew why people are so opposed to these threads. It's not like you all have anything better to be doing.

Yeah, and if they don't like these threads, why bother reading them? What possible benefit do they see from trying to get it closed and ruining everyone else's fun?

 

[Delta-cod]

Maybe back in the day you could say the traffic and frequent updates to the main page with posting was making getting to the more important threads difficult, but in this forum, the important threads are stickied, and these boards are dead anyways.

 

[z00ted]

Trela's better.

 

[Player-1]

Trela's better.

 

[Blue Ninjakoopa]

I put Trela back in as #1. The only videos of Gomamugitya are old doubles videos.

 

[NH Cody]

Junebug is the best of all time. He beat Ally, M2k, and Dehf. Trela and Richi have not done that.

Junebug got 2nd at Apex 2010 teaming with a back when double was legal...

dark pch is the best peach then

 

[Djent]

Trela did beat M2K, and more recently at that. He also beat Vinnie at WHOBO MLG just three months ago, and has taken sets from Gnes and Razer in the past.

Even if this thread were for the "greatest of all time" (and afaict it's not), Trela would win. Also, Junebug lost to Dark.Pch (this bears emphasis).

 

[NH Cody]

I think seagull joe has been trolling us all these years and just posts stuff for our entertainment

this tactic should be called "seagull joe posting"

 

[Blue Ninjakoopa]

Uh, is NH Cody always this annoying?

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

I think seagull joe has been trolling us all these years and just posts stuff for our entertainment

this tactic should be called "seagull joe posting"

It all makes sense now

 

[Blue Ninjakoopa]

It all makes sense now

Uh, is NH Cody always this annoying?

 

[Deleted member]

Uh, is NH Cody always this annoying?

yes

 

[Tagxy]

Please Please Please remove CT Zero from Honorable Mentions MK. Hes a very skilled and intelligent player, but the guy is a perpetual loser at national tournaments, the best thing hes ever done is WHOBO which was him, rusty Vinnie, and Texas (aka not a national). Hes never at any point been the best MK and find it silly he granted himself that title for awhile. Even at Apex 2014 with no Japanese in attendance he lost out to Nairo. Edge or almost any Japanese MK deserves it much more. In fact Japan has consistently been he best region at smash so Im not sure why he wouldnt be over Nairo as well. In Japan vs US MU's where relevant skilled players were in attendance the US has a 4-1 record including two wins in the US and being undefeated in Japan.

btw this is current and not all time correct? If so might want to reasses falco, Kirby, Luigi, Pokemon Trainer, Lucas, Mario, Bower, Samus, and maybe ganon/Jiggs. Also remove fox's honorable mentions, yoshis HM for polt, and others who dont play.

 

[Shiny Mewtwo aka Jigglysir]

Please Please Please remove CT Zero from Honorable Mentions MK. Hes a very skilled and intelligent player, but the guy is a perpetual loser at national tournaments, the best thing hes ever done is WHOBO which was him, rusty Vinnie, and Texas (aka not a national). Hes never at any point been the best MK and find it silly he granted himself that title for awhile. Even at Apex 2014 with no Japanese in attendance he lost out to Nairo. Edge or almost any Japanese MK deserves it much more. In fact Japan has consistently been he best region at smash so Im not sure why he wouldnt be over Nairo as well. In Japan vs US MU's where relevant skilled players were in attendance the US has a 4-1 record including two wins in the US and being undefeated in Japan.

None of those are reasons for ZeRo to not be HM for MK. He's easily been the 2nd best MK in the US this year (only ever being outplaced by Nairo are majors). There hasn't been enough crossover in that time period between Japan and America for us to accurately rank Edge/Otori/Rain etc. so ZeRo is the next best thing as HM.

The actual reason for ZeRo to not be HM is because he doesn't play Brawl anymore.

 

[Thor]

None of those are reasons for ZeRo to not be HM for MK. He's easily been the 2nd best MK in the US this year (only ever being outplaced by Nairo are majors). There hasn't been enough crossover in that time period between Japan and America for us to accurately rank Edge/Otori/Rain etc. so ZeRo is the next best thing as HM.

The actual reason for ZeRo to not be HM is because he doesn't play Brawl anymore.

Random idea: Is it possible to split this list up by region [US, Europe, Japan, other regions if there is a 4th or more and I don't know it]? We don't know if Nairo > or < Edge/Otori/whomever, but Nairo > Zero [as results show, and it seems agreed on], so US best MK is Nairo and Japan's best MK is Edge/Otori/Rain/whomever [I don't know about Europe/other regions]. This would also work for characters like ZSS (Quik is Europe [I think?], Choco is Japan, Salem is US] {? just a possible example... maybe Riddle is up there or there's some ZSS I don't know of, whatever}.

For characters with very low representation the HMs/best could just be expanded slightly or something if there are like 3 players worth mentioning [I don't know if there is a Bowser in each region, so I don't know how people would be able to come up with 3 [or more] best Bowsers, for instance].

 

[Djent]

Hes a very skilled and intelligent player, but the guy is a perpetual loser at national tournaments, the best thing hes ever done is WHOBO which was him, rusty Vinnie, and Texas (aka not a national).

He (Zero) did win a series of regional events in NY/NJ (the other hardest region besides Kanto at the time). His national performances were never as impressive, but he's beaten basically every top NA player in the past year or so.

Edge or almost any Japanese MK deserves it much more. In fact Japan has consistently been he best region at smash so Im not sure why he wouldnt be over Nairo as well. In Japan vs US MU's where relevant skilled players were in attendance the US has a 4-1 record including two wins in the US and being undefeated in Japan.

Edge deserves it more, but not "any other Japanese MK." Rain, Otori, and Kakera have all been relatively inactive, and Edge beat at least one of them on his way to 1st place at the most recent Piosuma singles event. If this were "all time," then I'd feel differently.

Also, "Japan" is not a region. If you look at the best from Kanto and Kansai, then of course they'll be stronger than any US or EU region lol. Kanto has historically been stronger (at the time of Apex 2012-2013), but with Edge's rise to power and the relative dormancy of Kanto, I think one could easily argue the opposite conclusion now

 

[Tagxy]

Zero is a skilled and successful player and has earned all his achievements, but if youre using the consensus best character in the game you need to be more than consistent to be in "the best of" conversation you need to be transcendent.

None of those are reasons for ZeRo to not be HM for MK. He's easily been the 2nd best MK in the US this year (only ever being outplaced by Nairo are majors). There hasn't been enough crossover in that time period between Japan and America for us to accurately rank Edge/Otori/Rain etc. so ZeRo is the next best thing as HM.

The actual reason for ZeRo to not be HM is because he doesn't play Brawl anymore.

Contradiction. You want to award Zero HM in spite of his poor national results but dont want to acknowledge outstanding MKs because of lacking crossover?

Nationals are the ultimate gauge of success. If you can't win nationals then the title of best MK is arbitrary and pointless. Not all characters have HMs and thats he point, Zeros never been at that level. But add the fact that he isnt very active either and that just sort of seals things.

 

[Blue Ninjakoopa]

Random idea: Is it possible to split this list up by region [US, Europe, Japan, other regions if there is a 4th or more and I don't know it]? We don't know if Nairo > or < Edge/Otori/whomever, but Nairo > Zero [as results show, and it seems agreed on], so US best MK is Nairo and Japan's best MK is Edge/Otori/Rain/whomever [I don't know about Europe/other regions]. This would also work for characters like ZSS (Quik is Europe [I think?], Choco is Japan, Salem is US] {? just a possible example... maybe Riddle is up there or there's some ZSS I don't know of, whatever}.

For characters with very low representation the HMs/best could just be expanded slightly or something if there are like 3 players worth mentioning [I don't know if there is a Bowser in each region, so I don't know how people would be able to come up with 3 [or more] best Bowsers, for instance].

That could work, but only for a few characters (I could add flags or something beside each character head regardless of if they have multiple good players from different regions).

Zero is a skilled and successful player and has earned all his achievements, but if youre using the consensus best character in the game you need to be more than consistent to be in "the best of" conversation you need to be transcendent.

Contradiction. You want to award Zero HM in spite of his poor national results but dont want to acknowledge outstanding MKs because of lacking crossover?

Nationals are the ultimate gauge of success. If you can't win nationals then the title of best MK is arbitrary and pointless. Not all characters have HMs and thats he point, Zeros never been at that level. But add the fact that he isnt very active either and that just sort of seals things.

Yeah, I don't quite follow Jigglysir's logic there. Replaced ZeRo with Edge on the list.

 

[Espy Rose]

I agree 110% with Tag.