Angrycuban
Smash Journeyman
Hey, i was just wondering what some of links bad match ups are? He seems to a mostly positive match up spread but with such a wide range of characters I'm sure there's a few bad ones in there. Thanks :]
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So do I. If you can avoid getting pillared or up-smashed, I think Link combos the living hell out of spacies quite easily. Plus they have recoveries that have bad start-up lag, so you can even spike them. Yes you read that correctly. LINK can METEOR SMASH spacies. You can also just do a grounded Up-b to use a safer option to punish them if they don't sweetspot which will semi spike them. The Dtilt can meteor smash and usually cover lower range near the ledge than the spin attack can, so even if they try to sweetspot they have a good chance of being hit by Dtilt. What happens If you miss the meteor? No worries. If you miss the spike and still get hit, even with DI they will be scooped upwards for a perfect full hop Fair setup.I personally believe the spacies lose to link.. But yeah let's use the matchup thread.
I've actually had a lot of experience in the matchups you listed and I almost completely agree with you.Fenrir calm down. Just because I listed them under bad for Link doesn't mean they all hard counter him.
Mario is like a smaller Sheik and he's got a great combo game AND a chain grab on Link. It's certainly not favoring of Link.
And out of the FE boys, didn't we agree that Marth gives him the most trouble? I'd still give it 55:45 Marth. I have trouble with Ike, but that's probably cuz I suck versus him. I also suck vs Diddy, so I can probably take him off there.
I don't think Link's awful against Fox and Wolf, but Falco I think is still incredibly hard for Link (probably the only hard counter). His lasers are still a problem unless you have great powershielding ability. Of course, however, you could just throw him off stage and gimp him.
P.S. I'm a noob. Don't take my matchup opinions seriously bro.
Link's good against Sonic but his mobility seems to define why it favors Sonic just a little. ZSS I've never faced but I'm basing it off of what Hylian said, lol.I've actually had a lot of experience in the matchups you listed and I almost completely agree with you.
I agree it's very slightly in Marth's favor
I don't think ZSS or sonic have a good game against link
But I think fox does significantly BETTER than Falco against link
Also, I know you probably haven't played many competent Olimar mains yet, but that's a tough one for link, so that's one to think about
Overall, pretty solid list though
Ps: link counters snake so hard that it's almost comical =)
Agreed on the match up, link has the touch of death against spacies. Fox technically might be able to wave shine link off easily and get in easier for a kill. Falco not so much, unless you have a Falco that's insane that is.Nah it's not that I'm not calm. just always shocking to see another person who plays the same char as me have a completely different view of matchups.
Fox and Falco: I kind of think Link is one of their worst matchups in the game. I'm not saying it's terrible for them or anything, but I do think both matches are pretty handily in Link's favor. They are both incredibly strong in the neutral, but honestly, so is Link. And as soon as the match devolves out of the neutral, I think Link wins it. Link has serious 0-death applications out of practically any hit he gets on them, and it only requires a bit of on-reaction DI and tech reads. If the spacies get off stage against him, they should die. That's just not true the other way around though... Falco in particular has ridiculous 70-80% combos on Link sure, but they generally can't lead to a death-touch type situation unless the Link player is predictable. So essentially, the matchups are based around just brutalizing each other, but Link gets more from his hits. Link's anti-air game is also incredibly good, so their usual full-hop mixups just don't work against him, and chance giving him a pivot grab read, which again, can conceivably lead to death. Falco honestly has issues edgeguarding link, too.
I personally think Fox is the harder matchup, but it's close between him and Falco. Fox kills Link quite a bit easier with shine spikes and combos into usmash, and he also has a bit of a better time recovering, so that swings it for me. Falco's lasers aren't too scary for Link, imo, because you can fire back with boomerang fairly reliably to stop the laser spam and apply pressure. Rang is a LOT safer against Falco because his horizontal speed isn't what Fox's is. As a rule, I don't really care if they can reflect the rang because worst case, Link gets hit by the weak hit, which really doesn't lead to much.
As a note, I NEVER shield in either of these matchups, unless I'm trying to PS the lasers. Shield is incredibly unsafe against either of them, but other options make it easier.
It's not just the pressureAs someone who plays a lot of links, I've found my fraud fox gives them problems because it's fox and heavy pressure. Also zss is the only time I enjoy playing against link because of transcendent lasers. **** yo projectiles link, we going right through them
You don't deny death when playing against Link. You accept it, then embrace it willingly.yo guys. falco is one of my secondaries and i have to say i find it easier to run falco against link than using my main lucario. those lasers help a lot.
on the other hand though. how do you deal with down/up throw -> Up b? ( i dont know whcih one but at high % whenever I mess up i get grabbed and thrown into a up B for instant death as falco)
aside from that everything else is in falco's favor. unless theres some DI ishould be using to avoid it
I'd actually rather say that fox does better than Falco. In addition shiek goes at least even with link.I still don't feel like Fox, Falcon or Sheik wins. Even Mario's kinda doable.
I agree with Falco and ZSS though.
Okay... I'll try that but Peach has always been so darn annoying to me... XDLink-Peach if you ask me is 55:45 Link's favor due to his great ability to zone her out well. However she punishes him harder than vice versa, plus her pressure is also really good with the turnips and floating. In the end however Link is a floaty killer and can outspace Peach very well if he knows what he's doing. It favors Link but it's hard.
Diddy is a trickier one for Link however. The bananas are probably the best projectile in the game right now and good Diddys are as good with items as good Links. Would say it's slightly in Diddy's favor.
Different note... Just wanna throw in here that I'm probably the only Link on this board who detests the Marth matchup.
Idk, she's been that thorn in the side for me as long as I can remember....but I think I am getting better with dealing with her.I think Link demolishes Peach, but that's just me.
She's so slow.