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[Rizen]

I played some smash on Anther's ladder. Link feels much safer now. I could space with Fair/Zair/Ftilt and not get punished. I think Link might rise a little in rankings.

Elessar isn't participating, just organizing and commentating. He's largely done with the game, he hadn't played in months until last week.

Oh. Well that's a lot of work too. Good stuff @Elessar

 

[Dumbfire]

The majority of characters already could not punish Zair when spaced at the tip, but it is still ridicilously unsafe when not spaced at the tip, having very noticeable landing lag; and most characters can dash under and dash attack when you know it's coming (even Bowser, for instance).

 

[Batu]

Elessar isn't participating, just organizing and commentating. He's largely done with the game, he hadn't played in months until last week.

Hope that he return in some point.

 

[KenMeister]

The majority of characters already could not punish Zair when spaced at the tip, but it is still ridicilously unsafe when not spaced at the tip, having very noticeable landing lag; and most characters can dash under and dash attack when you know it's coming (even Bowser, for instance).

Is there an indication of where the tip hitbox (or how small it is) might be? Sometimes I still feel like I land the claw part of zair on shield, but still get punished for it.

 

[sasook]

The tip is usually at the tip.

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

The tip is usually at the tip.

That's a pro tip.

 

[Rizen]

Is there an indication of where the tip hitbox (or how small it is) might be? Sometimes I still feel like I land the claw part of zair on shield, but still get punished for it.

To clarify people mean hit with Zair at max range. The hit bubbles always follow where the claw is. Link's Zair hits 2 times but the first hit can trigger anywhere after the claw starts extending since it lingers (frames 12-21). The second hit happens after the first ends frame 22-23.

This is from Brawl but it should be mostly accurate to show the hitbubble.

 

[KenMeister]

To clarify people mean hit with Zair at max range. The hit bubbles always follow where the claw is. Link's Zair hits 2 times but the first hit can trigger anywhere after the claw starts extending since it lingers (frames 12-21). The second hit happens after the first ends frame 22-23.

This is from Brawl but it should be mostly accurate to show the hitbubble.

So there isn't a specific sweetspot? In that case, how is that even when I land a tipped Zair on shield, someone like Rosa has enough time to run up and grab me? I couldn't really tell if it was a power shield situation or not

 

[Rizen]

So there isn't a specific sweetspot? In that case, how is that even when I land a tipped Zair on shield, someone like Rosa has enough time to run up and grab me? I couldn't really tell if it was a power shield situation or not

Rosa has an annoying dash grab. You can buffer an action like jab or roll as you land to have it activate the first possible frame. That might help.

 

[Lawz.]

Rosa has a boost grab that allows her to grab and deal 3% damage upon grabbing cuz Luma...

 

[Zelkam]

I think I found the perfect video to demonstrate what this new Link community is like.

 

[SphericalCrusher]

I played some smash on Anther's ladder. Link feels much safer now. I could space with Fair/Zair/Ftilt and not get punished. I think Link might rise a little in rankings.


Oh. Well that's a lot of work too. Good stuff @Elessar

I was going to ask about this. I have had 0 time to practice lately. I'm probably going to hop on late tomorrow. Shield stun seems to work in his favor after all.

 

[The Merc]

Am I the only one here who doesn't like Sm4sh Link's Zair. It's just feels really different from his Brawl one and it's quiet uncomfortable. Also, the animation and the fact that that chain stay stiff is kind of silly IMAO.

 

[Rizen]

Am I the only one here who doesn't like Sm4sh Link's Zair. It's just feels really different from his Brawl one and it's quiet uncomfortable. Also, the animation and the fact that that chain stay stiff is kind of silly IMAO.

It was a nerf from Brawl. Smash 4 Zair deals 6% instead of 10% and has more landing lag.
One the positive side it does reach farther and the longer tether is nice.

 

[The Merc]

It was a nerf from Brawl. Smash 4 Zair deals 6% instead of 10% and has more landing lag.
One the positive side it does reach farther and the longer tether is nice.

Oh, I know It's damage was nerfed and I never really notice the landing lag. It just, when ever I played Link in Brawl, i feel like I could always hit his Zair, but in Sm4sh, it just feels really different and inconsistent to hit. I think i remember reading it had a start up nerf, I think? I don't know. I think I might be crazy. Or a Noob

 

[sasook]

There's no way you could be a noob.

 

[Rizen]

Oh, I know It's damage was nerfed and I never really notice the landing lag. It just, when ever I played Link in Brawl, i feel like I could always hit his Zair, but in Sm4sh, it just feels really different and inconsistent to hit. I think i remember reading it had a start up nerf, I think? I don't know. I think I might be crazy. Or a Noob

The hitbubbles might have been reduced in size. Zair also travels farther but only hits at the claw so that means less hitbubble time near Link and a big blind spot. It starts frame 12 in SSB4 and was frame 11 in Brawl so that is a slight nerf.
It only has 8 frames landing lag.
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Link
Air dodging first adds more landing lag so it's best not to.

Zair functions differently in SSB4. For close opponents use Fair or Nair.


Edit, I saw the Princess Styla Triforce Heroes trailer. Oh how the mighty have fallen

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

Edit, I saw the Princess Styla Triforce Heroes trailer. Oh how the mighty have fallen

I couldn't do it. I couldn't watch it all. The voice acting and plot was unbearable.

 

[8MAN]

I wonder what time they're going to announce the Smash ballot results.. this should be interesting.

 

[Linkmario00]

I like jab 2 with added hitstun. From what I know a jab 2 on shield is only -4 frame advantage which should be quite safe if spaced. Not even close to pre patch jab 1, but it could lead to some nice pressure.

 

[link7]

I think I found the perfect video to demonstrate what this new Link community is like.

Agreed. @Elessar and ShinTwist ScreamPaste please come back and glorify our boards. The problem has been eliminated.

 

[ShinTwist ScreamPaste]

Somehow I doubt this generation can be saved from itself.

 

[link7]

Somehow I doubt this generation can be saved from itself.

I'm going to send you some Play-Doh. Mold us back into what the Link boards used to be. It's sooooo ****ing boring.

 

[Linkmario00]

Somehow I doubt this generation can be saved from itself.

It can't. The generation I am into is a ****ty generation. No occasion for escaping

 

[kxiong92]

That moment when you can't enter in any tourney for a whole month......

 

[link7]

That moment when you can't enter in any tourney for a whole month......

..... is when you put your past tournament winnings together, and drive to a different state for a different tourney.

 

[Dumbfire]

Finally had the pleasure of receiving cash money for tourney placement, ayeee

 

[kxiong92]

Well, I've been doing well to receive cash now, but that's not why I'm won't be able to go to tournies this month. I'm just so busy that I won't be able to enter any tourney this month.

 

[link7]

Finally had the pleasure of receiving cash money for tourney placement, ayeee

Never forget, that I did it before you.

Well, I've been doing well to receive cash now, but that's not why I'm won't be able to go to tournies this month. I'm just so busy that I won't be able to enter any tourney this month.

I know that feeling. Solution: Call your employer and tell them that you died, and won't be making it to work that day.

 

[Dumbfire]

Never forget, that I did it before you.

I still have that 30 dollar headset tho man, that was good stuff too.

Also stop being funny to girls I want to nail, better savor those likes!

Well, I've been doing well to receive cash now, but that's not why I'm won't be able to go to tournies this month. I'm just so busy that I won't be able to enter any tourney this month.

That's a real shame. I try to find the near perfect balance where I am constantly busy but no so busy I have to miss many events I'd like to attend, or say no to social invitations. That's the sweetspot. Filling the hour, without having to make difficult decisions.

 

[Rizen]

I placed second in Brawl and earned some cash.

 

[Zelkam]

Finally had the pleasure of receiving cash money for tourney placement, ayeee

About time you stopped being a scrub :@

 

[Drigo Toes]

Hey guys!
I got 4/88 in the Paraguay National Tournament. Player7 was the winner, the best player of Brasil. Our fight was the most hype of the tournament .
I wished to get at least 3rd, but I was hard readed by a Bowser in Loser's Semifinal... He is a very versatile player (nestoroth).

We will get the tournament fight on youtube soon...

PD: Elessar is a great tournament organizer. It was a very good experience!

 

[Dumbfire]

Hey guys!
I got 4/88 in the Paraguay National Tournament. Player7 was the winner, the best player of Brasil. Our fight was the most hype of the tournament .
I wished to get at least 3rd, but I was hard readed by a Bowser in Loser's Semifinal... He is a very versatile player (nestoroth).

We will get the tournament fight on youtube soon...

PD: Elessar is a great tournament organizer. It was a very good experience!

I saw the fight against player 7 in stream, the guys in the Twitch chat could not believe it LOL

 

[Rizen]

I picked up Darksiders 2 again. It's fun but I keep reverting back to Monster hunter controls, which are similar but with a completely different button layout. In MH 'Y' is sheath weapon but in DS it's scythe attack for example. I'm in the new game + lost temple and the floating heads keep killing me. I have to adjust to DS2 controls.

 

[skydogc]

Somehow I doubt this generation can be saved from itself.

I'm going to send you some Play-Doh. Mold us back into what the Link boards used to be. It's sooooo ****ing boring.

One day Shin said, "Can I get a Goddamn?"

Well, Goddamn, what I'm hearing is burn it to the ground, rebuild it, and never talk about the dark days of daycare again.

What say you @Lozjam ?

 

[link7]

I've got some stuff to say, so off to Dumbfires Facebook!

 

[Dumbfire]

I've got some stuff to say, so off to Dumbfires Facebook!

Thanks for the invite to a Washington tourney for a game I don't play, I'll totally fly over for that

 

[link7]

Thanks for the invite to a Washington tourney for a game I don't play, I'll totally fly over for that

Don't worry man, I was going to bring a Smash 4 setup. I'll even spot your entry fee. Come on down!

 

[The Merc]

There's no way you could be a noob.

Is that sarcasm or are your being serious. If being serious, I don't see how I am not.

The hitbubbles might have been reduced in size. Zair also travels farther but only hits at the claw so that means less hitbubble time near Link and a big blind spot. It starts frame 12 in SSB4 and was frame 11 in Brawl so that is a slight nerf.
It only has 8 frames landing lag.
http://kuroganehammer.com/Smash4/Link
Air dodging first adds more landing lag so it's best not to.

Zair functions differently in SSB4. For close opponents use Fair or Nair.

Hm, I knew that was more to it that just a damage reduction. It's probable the hitbox change that is really throwing me off. Yeah, I know about the air dodge lag, so I don't do it anymore.

I actually use Nair a lot. I just really love the move, ti's really freaking good!