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[Rizen]

The only character that can double jump after upb is Megaman, if I remember correctly.

G&W, Yoshi and Jigglypuff too.

edit, here's a funny gif someone posted:

 

[smokebomb12]

G&W, Yoshi and Jigglypuff too.

edit, here's a funny gif someone posted:

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Good job Rizen.

The only character that can double jump after upb is Megaman, if I remember correctly.

Sonic I think and pac man if you do a certain glitch.

 

[Rizen]

^Sonic can't. IDK about the Pac Man glitch.

 

[smokebomb12]

^Sonic can't. IDK about the Pac Man glitch.

Does your reply button work?

 

[kxiong92]

The only character that can double jump after upb is Megaman, if I remember correctly.

Most character can do their second jump after getting hit after using their UpB. But Link and Toon Link can't do their second jump after getting hit after using UpB.

 

[Rizen]

Does your reply button work?

Was it necessary?

 

[smokebomb12]

Was it necessary?

yeah. If you want me to see what you said then yeah.

 

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Was it necessary?

Try not to bite obvious bait. We're a community built on trolls, don't fall for an amateur.

 

[Rizen]

^
Well he obviously saw the reply to reply to it. I wish he'd do the actual testing rather than waste time like this.

 

[smokebomb12]

I'm not baiting anything. I am just saying why won't he reply?

Edit: jeez never mind then. I just came to congratulate you.

 

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^
Well he obviously saw the reply to reply to it. I wish he'd do the actual testing rather than waste time like this.

Someone actually do work? What a decadent concept. Surely time would be better spent baiting and complaining than actually playing and testing.

Surely.

 

[Zane the pure]

There's a mighty fine quote from the Devil's Advocate that answers your question brilliantly, but the SWF censorship committee will no doubt remove it...

Figures... Not even good advice is admissible it seems. Thanks anyways Foxy >.>

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

He should just be happy someone replied to him.

 

[Elessar]

Now that we are talking about weird in-game things, I was messing with Link edge guarding, so I took a bomb fell from the stage and up B immediately, bomb explodes and I can't second jump even though I didn't use the jump. This has always being a thing?

Yes it has. Once you use your recovery you lose your DJ. Stupid game logic says that if you used your recovery then you must have used your DJ.

 

[Rizen]

Edit: jeez never mind then. I just came to congratulate you.

Thanks. For future reference '^' means the post is replying to the above post. Used for convenience when you know the other person is right there and will easily see the new post.

 

[kxiong92]

Yes it has. Once you use your recovery you lose your DJ. Stupid game logic says that if you used your recovery then you must have used your DJ.

The sad part is that it seems to only be Link and Toon Link that can't DJ.

 

[smokebomb12]

Thanks. For future reference '^' means the post is replying to the above post. Used for convenience when you know the other person is right there and will easily see the new post.

I feel like a dumbass

 

[Zerker]

It's mine now? Ariiiiiight! It's actually a true combo on many characters regardless of DI

Nevermind, I just suck at video games.

 

[DUKEL]

The sad part is that it seems to only be Link and Toon Link that can't DJ.

I will note that we used to be able to DJ after a SAF if we took damage after falling off the stage (usually with a well-timed bomb to get us out of special fall), but the edge mechanics that allowed stuff like the saf are sadly no longer a part of the game.

It's mine now? Ariiiiiight! It's actually a true combo on many characters regardless of DI:

It is possible for them to air dodge, though. But our uair has so many active hitboxes that by the time they finish airdodging they still die. It's certainly marvelous to get their hopes up then squash their dreams of surviving when their air dodge ends.

 

[Naroghin]

Nevermind, I just suck at video games.

I know your plight.

 

[The Merc]

^Ah. Sorry; maybe you can find a local smash scene?

Being meaning to do so but I not sure how much luck I will have given where I live.

Aww that sucks. Maybe get better version of wifi. Like AT&T what wifi are you using?

Nah, my internet is LAN and also my family isn't like super rich.

 

[DarkDeity15]

Update: So I'm hard at work on the guide. I've decided to scrap having Sook's survey as part of the intro and will instead use it as a source of information. Don't worry though; I'll have it placed at the bottom of the OP as extra content. As for the OP itself, I'd say I'm about one third the way through. I still need to add info regarding the neutral, zoning and offstage/ledge guarding, and after that I need to worry about revising and polishing everything up. I think this guide will be a great addition to the Link boards, but that's really up for you guys to decide lol.

 

[sasook]

I'd like to review it with you before it's posted.

 

[DarkDeity15]

I'd like to review it with you before it's posted.

No problem; I'll PM you a copy of the OP when it's been completed.

 

[Vonzar the Soulrender]

Yes it has. Once you use your recovery you lose your DJ. Stupid game logic says that if you used your recovery then you must have used your DJ.

Needs more Melee!

 

[Zane the pure]

Sm4sh could use a little more melee if you know what I'm sayin >.>
Still, Link's new potential is a step in the right direction.

 

[DUKEL]

Now all we need is a throw setup into up-b and a better boomerang.

 

[KenMeister]

Now all we need is a throw setup into up-b and a better boomerang.

I don't find boomerang THAT bad honestly. I can still string into fair with it if I'm close, which is always nice (though bombs are more than likely guaranteed), and the fact it's good for edguarding is always a plus. Gale is pretty OK to me. Smash 4 Spin Attack seriously needs to go, though. lol





I want my semi-spike back.

 

[Serac]

Smash 4 Spin Attack seriously needs to go, though. lol





I want my semi-spike back.

This, also the range it's mediocre.

By the way, have you guys seen Lucas' magnet knock back? That think it's scary, horizontal knock back if not a semi-spike, great range, can be used in the air and I'm not sure since I haven't bought him but it seems to work like a grab.

 

[DUKEL]

This, also the range it's mediocre.

By the way, have you guys seen Lucas' magnet knock back? That think it's scary, horizontal knock back if not a semi-spike, great range, can be used in the air and I'm not sure since I haven't bought him but it seems to work like a grab.

It's not a command grab. It can be shielded. I'm learning him for teams though. His magnet is powerful. Probably one of his best moves if not his best.

 

[KenMeister]

It's not a command grab. It can be shielded. I'm learning him for teams though. His magnet is powerful. Probably one of his best moves if not his best.

Fox is extremely envious now...

 

[The Merc]

Now all we need is a throw setup into up-b and a better boomerang.

Rather have old Bombs back. And Zair Drop

Smash 4 Spin Attack seriously needs to go, though. lol





I want my semi-spike back.

This, also the range it's mediocre..

So is it's power. I mean serious, that say the fore swing had a buff in knock back but I swear pre 1.0.6 patch I could kill much earlier that post patch.

 

[DUKEL]

If it couldn't be shielded once then walked through I wouldn't have too many problems with it. But the fact that people can stand in it and hit me with a charged fsmash is actually ridiculous.

 

[The Merc]

Hey guys, this may be a little off topic, but do you guys think that Majora's Mask will get a story scene in Hyrule Warriors along with Wind Waker?

 

[Dumbfire]

By the way, have you guys seen Lucas' magnet knock back? That think it's scary, horizontal knock back if not a semi-spike, great range, can be used in the air and I'm not sure since I haven't bought him but it seems to work like a grab.

Someone shared this in the Lucas skype group. It's fun to play around with it.

Now all we need is a throw setup into up-b

wat

 

[DUKEL]

wat

Melee bruh. Downthrow->up-b is a kill option at high percents.

 

[A2ZOMG]

The only character that can double jump after upb is Megaman, if I remember correctly.

Mr G&W still can do this, but you have to buffer an aerial out of his Up-B for it to work.

Yes it has. Once you use your recovery you lose your DJ. Stupid game logic says that if you used your recovery then you must have used your DJ.

Interesting...because it definitely doesn't work that way for Ganon. If you saved your jump before Up-Bing and get hit out of your Up-B at least for him, you still have your double jump.

Rather have old Bombs back. And Zair Drop




So is it's power. I mean serious, that say the fore swing had a buff in knock back but I swear pre 1.0.6 patch I could kill much earlier that post patch.

The 14% initial hit on the very front kills pretty seriously early. The rest of the move is crap for killing, so if your opponent is behind you, you need to B reverse your Up-B.

Also in other news, D-throw D-tilt is really fun and amazing on Falcon.

 

[Zane the pure]

Luckily reversing Up-B is fairly easy, so be sure to read that scrub for rolling.
Also, the timing is a bit tough, but lately if I find myself being pressured too hard in some MU I tend to double jump D-air from full height since it auto cancels if timed properly.

And has anyone else made use of running Reverse JCT? I feel like it's a decent alternative to the quite difficult reverse bombsliding.

 

[DUKEL]

Luckily reversing Up-B is fairly easy, so be sure to read that scrub for rolling.
Also, the timing is a bit tough, but lately if I find myself being pressured too hard in some MU I tend to double jump D-air from full height since it auto cancels if timed properly.

And has anyone else made use of running Reverse JCT? I feel like it's a decent alternative to the quite difficult reverse bombsliding.

Can we actually throw the bomb backwards when reverse bombsliding? I don't remember seeing that in Foxy's AT thread...
Anyway a Reverse JCT with the A-stick is actually one of my favorite tools when retreating. You not only get a bomb thrown backwards, but it's a soft tossed one too, which can be really affective as a trap. Even if I could throw the bomb backwards upon bomsliding I'd probably use the Reverse JCT more just for the soft toss.

Also in other news, D-throw D-tilt is really fun and amazing on Falcon.

I love it when I d-throw an opponent and they airdodge instead of jumping and I get a free f-smash, actually.
Or on falcons, when they don't air dodge in time and I can d-throw->u-tilt->regrab. Just falcons and d-throws are fun in general tbh.