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[ShinnyMetal]

So, just curious, why isn't this thread a sticky?

 

[The Merc]

They should make his grab either faster or longer, because right now, it's slow, not very long, and possibly the worst in the game.

That's if you don't count Robin's.

 

[MintyGuy700]

Smash 64's tier list to Melee's:

Pikachu: High tier (Come on, really...)
Kirby: Bottom tier
Fox: Top tier
Captain Falcon: Top tier
Mario: Mid tier
Yoshi: (Arguable; No answer)
Donkey Kong: Mid tier
Jigglypuf: Top tier
Ness: Low tier
Link: Mid tier
Luigi: High tier
Samus: High tier

Melee's tier list to Brawl's

Fox: Mid tier
Falco: Top tier
Sheik: Low tier
Marth: High tier
Jigglypuff: Bottom tier
Peach: Mid/Low tier
Captain Falcon: Bottom tier
Ice Climbers: Top tier
Dr. Mario: -
Pikachu: Top tier
Samus: Bottom tier
Ganondorf: Bottom tier
Luigi: Bottom tier
Mario: Bottom tier
Young Link: -
Link: Bottom tier
Donkey Kong: Low tier
Yoshi (arguably low placement): Low tier
Zelda: Bottom tier
Roy: -
Mewtwo: -
Game and Watch: High tier
Ness: Low tier
Bowser: Bottom tier
Pichu: -
Kirby: Low tier

Brawl's tier list to Smash 4:

Meta Knight: Bottom tier (Well, that make sense...)
Ice Climbers: -
Olimar: Mid tier (Umm, I guess that's fine.)
Diddy Kong: Top tier (Wait, hold up.)
Marth: Low tier
Snake: -
Falco: Bottom tier
Pikachu: Top tier (wait a sec hasn't he been...)
Zero Suit Samus: Top tier (*facepalm*)
Wario: Low/Mid tier
Lucario: Top tier (WHY THE-)
Dedede: Bottom tier (Please...)
Gay: Mid tier
Wolf: -
Fox: Top tier
Game & Watch: Low tier
Pit: Mid tier
R.O.B.: High tier
Peach: High tier
Kirby: Mid tier
Donkey Kong: High tier
Sonic: Top tier
Ike: Low tier (Why?)
Shelda: -
Sheik: Top tier
Ness: Top tier
Yoshi: Top tier
Luigi: High/Top tier
Charizard: Bottom tier (Seriously what.)
Lucas: -
Mario: High/Top
Samus: Bottom tier (You're kidding me.)
Bowser: High tier
Captain Falcon: Top tier
Link: Low tier (Can't)
Jigglypuff: Mid tier (fathom)
Zelda: Bottom tier (Sakurai's)
Ganondorf: Bottom tier (mind.)

Gotta love that Sakurai! Kappa

 

[Elessar]

So, just curious, why isn't this thread a sticky?

The idea of a sticky thread is a thread of such importance that it should always be accessible regardless of activity. For example, the index gets no posts, but it's of utmost importance so it should be stickied. On the other hand, this thread receives too many posts so the possibility of it ever getting buried or list is nil. As such, sticking it would be redundant.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

I think as long as Sakurai's involved Link will always be ****ing terrible.

Sakurai's just butt hurt because his Kid Icarus game will never be as good as any Zelda game it gets put up against.

 

[The Merc]

Smash 64's tier list to Melee's:

Pikachu: High tier (Come on, really...)
Kirby: Bottom tier
Fox: Top tier
Captain Falcon: Top tier
Mario: Mid tier
Yoshi: (Arguable; No answer)
Donkey Kong: Mid tier
Jigglypuf: Top tier
Ness: Low tier
Link: Mid tier
Luigi: High tier
Samus: High tier

Melee's tier list to Brawl's

Fox: Mid tier
Falco: Top tier
Sheik: Low tier
Marth: High tier
Jigglypuff: Bottom tier
Peach: Mid/Low tier
Captain Falcon: Bottom tier
Ice Climbers: Top tier
Dr. Mario: -
Pikachu: Top tier
Samus: Bottom tier
Ganondorf: Bottom tier
Luigi: Bottom tier
Mario: Bottom tier
Young Link: -
Link: Bottom tier
Donkey Kong: Low tier
Yoshi (arguably low placement): Low tier
Zelda: Bottom tier
Roy: -
Mewtwo: -
Game and Watch: High tier
Ness: Low tier
Bowser: Bottom tier
Pichu: -
Kirby: Low tier

Brawl's tier list to Smash 4:

Meta Knight: Bottom tier (Well, that make sense...)
Ice Climbers: -
Olimar: Mid tier (Umm, I guess that's fine.)
Diddy Kong: Top tier (Wait, hold up.)
Marth: Low tier
Snake: -
Falco: Bottom tier
Pikachu: Top tier (wait a sec hasn't he been...)
Zero Suit Samus: Top tier (*facepalm*)
Wario: Low/Mid tier
Lucario: Top tier (WHY THE-)
Dedede: Bottom tier (Please...)
Gay: Mid tier
Wolf: -
Fox: Top tier
Game & Watch: Low tier
Pit: Mid tier
R.O.B.: High tier
Peach: High tier
Kirby: Mid tier
Donkey Kong: High tier
Sonic: Top tier
Ike: Low tier (Why?)
Shelda: -
Sheik: Top tier
Ness: Top tier
Yoshi: Top tier
Luigi: High/Top tier
Charizard: Bottom tier (Seriously what.)
Lucas: -
Mario: High/Top
Samus: Bottom tier (You're kidding me.)
Bowser: High tier
Captain Falcon: Top tier
Link: Low tier (Can't)
Jigglypuff: Mid tier (fathom)
Zelda: Bottom tier (Sakurai's)
Ganondorf: Bottom tier (mind.)

Gotta love that Sakurai! Kappa

I have to say, some of these seem very opinion base. Also straight out unfair.

Sakurai's just butt hurt because his Kid Icarus game will never be as good as any Zelda game it gets put up against.

You guys do know that Kid Icarus isn't Sakurai's game, right?

 

[Huggles828]

That's if you don't count Robin's.

Actually they buffed Robin's grab a lot in the patch. It's probably around middle of the pack now In terms of range. Pummeling with it still succks though

 

[MintyGuy700]

You guys do know that Kid Icarus isn't Sakurai's game, right?

Incorrect.

 

[The Merc]

Actually they buffed Robin's grab a lot in the patch. It's probably around middle of the pack now In terms of range. Pummeling with it still succks though

I don't think it has been actually. It isn't written down anywhere that it has been and if it had been, the Robin thread would be celebrating. Unless we missed something. Someone should test it.

Incorrect.

Oh, how so?

 

[Zane the pure]

I have to say, some of these seem very opinion base. Also straight out unfair.

Take a good look at the official tier lists from all 3 games prior to smash4 and analyze the differences from game to game. This is actually pretty accurate.

You guys do know that Kid Icarus isn't Sakurai's game, right?

I'm sorry, maybe it hadn't crossed your mind that Sora Ltd. made Kid Icarus Uprising and will likely be consulted for the next game in the franchise. Who's the head honcho at Sora? None other than Masahiro Sakurai.
He didn't create the original, but he is ostensibly the one running that series at present and for the forseeable future hence it being "largely" his game.

EDIT: Pardon the Saucyness, I'm bitter about having "shorter" hair atm >.>

 

[The Merc]

Take a good look at the official tier lists from all 3 games prior to smash4 and analyze the differences from game to game. This is actually pretty accurate.

I don't know. Some of them still seem a little unreasonable. I mean, Ike, Zelda and Link bottom tier? That is just silly.

I'm sorry, maybe it hadn't crossed your mind that Sora Ltd. made Kid Icarus Uprising and will likely be consulted for the next game in the franchise. Who's the head honcho at Sora? None other than Masahiro Sakurai.
He didn't create the original, but he is ostensibly the one running that series at present and for the forseeable future hence it being "largely" his game.

EDIT: Pardon the Saucyness, I'm bitter about having "shorter" hair atm >.>

..........

Well I didn't know that Sakurai was head of Sora Ltd. I thought he was the head of a different company (I can't remember the name. Hal Laboratory I think). Anyway, I guess you do have a point. Still........

Yeah, I know the feeling, short hair really isn't my style. Then again, neither is long.

 

[Zane the pure]

I don't know. Some of them still seem a little unreasonable. I mean, Ike, Zelda and Link bottom tier? That is just silly.

Well for those three I'll elucidate a little bit on. Most of us say Link is awful after the patch with little to no CQ game, and getting outcamped by Characters with a single projectile. The Zelda boards will tell you that the Princess is not feeling well in this game either, and from everything I've played and seen of Ike outside of customs he is too read dependent to be anything higher than low tier. Ike is probably not nearly as low as Link and Zelda, but he's certainly nothing amazing.

..........

Well I didn't know that Sakurai was head of Sora Ltd. I thought he was the head of a different company (I can't remember the name. Hal Laboratory I think). Anyway, I guess you do have a point. Still........

Yeah, I know the feeling, short hair really isn't my style. Then again, neither is long.

Yup, he left Hal Laboratories somewhere in the middle of developing Melee, and formed his own company that did the lion's share of work on Brawl (so we have them to blame for imbalance) and even after obtaining Namco's assistance (the company that runs Soul Calibur and Tekken, well respected tournament fighting games) Sakurai insisted on doing nearly ever bit of balancing in-house to get the game "just so"... That aside from being the team to develop the long awaited reboot to KI in Uprising.

My hair is mid length still, but the haircut was perfect until I worried that my parents would nag me about it being too long still. The resulting adjustment ruined everything... so from now on everyone else can get bent. Hair is srs bzns bros. #forrealz

 

[ShinnyMetal]

The idea of a sticky thread is a thread of such importance that it should always be accessible regardless of activity. For example, the index gets no posts, but it's of utmost importance so it should be stickied. On the other hand, this thread receives too many posts so the possibility of it ever getting buried or list is nil. As such, sticking it would be redundant.

fair enough! It just crossed my mind

 

[The Merc]

Well for those three I'll elucidate a little bit on. Most of us say Link is awful after the patch with little to no CQ game, and getting outcamped by Characters with a single projectile. The Zelda boards will tell you that the Princess is not feeling well in this game either, and from everything I've played and seen of Ike outside of customs he is too read dependent to be anything higher than low tier. Ike is probably not nearly as low as Link and Zelda, but he's certainly nothing amazing.

I still think that they aren't bad characters. Probable not great, but not that bad.

Yup, he left Hal Laboratories somewhere in the middle of developing Melee, and formed his own company that did the lion's share of work on Brawl (so we have them to blame for imbalance) and even after obtaining Namco's assistance (the company that runs Soul Calibur and Tekken, well respected tournament fighting games) Sakurai insisted on doing nearly ever bit of balancing in-house to get the game "just so"... That aside from being the team to develop the long awaited reboot to KI in Uprising.

My hair is mid length still, but the haircut was perfect until I worried that my parents would nag me about it being too long still. The resulting adjustment ruined everything... so from now on everyone else can get bent. Hair is srs bzns bros. #forrealz

Hm, I guess you have prove me to be wrong. I learnt something new today.

Eh, don't worry, it should grow back eventually then you can fix it up again.

 

[A_Phoenix_Down]

Well for those three I'll elucidate a little bit on. Most of us say Link is awful after the patch with little to no CQ game, and getting outcamped by Characters with a single projectile. The Zelda boards will tell you that the Princess is not feeling well in this game either, and from everything I've played and seen of Ike outside of customs he is too read dependent to be anything higher than low tier. Ike is probably not nearly as low as Link and Zelda, but he's certainly nothing amazing.


Yup, he left Hal Laboratories somewhere in the middle of developing Melee, and formed his own company that did the lion's share of work on Brawl (so we have them to blame for imbalance) and even after obtaining Namco's assistance (the company that runs Soul Calibur and Tekken, well respected tournament fighting games) Sakurai insisted on doing nearly ever bit of balancing in-house to get the game "just so"... That aside from being the team to develop the long awaited reboot to KI in Uprising.

My hair is mid length still, but the haircut was perfect until I worried that my parents would nag me about it being too long still. The resulting adjustment ruined everything... so from now on everyone else can get bent. Hair is srs bzns bros. #forrealz

Yeah I second Ike... Technically speaking, even though I play much better with Link, ikes not as bad as him. In fact, id argue Ike is much better than Link. His options are just flat out completely better. However, he suffers from very slow attacks resulting in an overdependency on all of his faster moves... But it definitely works. Honestly if I actually mained Ike I'd probably be more of a threat... But nah, that's lame.

I had a long hair phase when I was a kid but then again I think everyone does.

 

[Huggles828]

I don't think it has been actually. It isn't written down anywhere that it has been and if it had been, the Robin thread would be celebrating. Unless we missed something. Someone should test it.
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Hm. I second Robin. I could swear that grab range is a good bit better now. It was putrid before and it doesn't seem to be that bad now.

 

[Rizen]

Hm. I second Robin. I could swear that grab range is a good bit better now. It was putrid before and it doesn't seem to be that bad now.

What buffs did Robin get?

 

[ama99]

Guaranteed throw combos? If Link's throws behaved similarly to characters like Ike's, his opponents would definitely have to respect him more. However, having throw combos without a good enough grab game to complement them would be meaningless. Even if Link did have a good throw game, he is still going to be held back as long as he has a tether grab. But then again, that didn't stop ZSS from using her throw combos.

Anyways, how would you guys rank each iteration of Link competitively from best to worst? ^-^

Melee>/=SmashWiiU>N64>>>Brawl

 

[The Merc]

Hm. I second Robin. I could swear that grab range is a good bit better now. It was putrid before and it doesn't seem to be that bad now.

Hm, I don't know. I played a quick match this morn against a CPU Charizard I was basic right on him, I press grab, heard Robin's sword effect of his grab, and it did grab charizard.

.......

I'll still go test it later though.

What buffs did Robin get?

So far it has mostly been his El Wind Tome that as gotten the buffs with it begin able to grab the ledge backwards and that his rapid jab's hits Link better and that is about it. Nothing to special

 

[ama99]

Is anyone here going to be playing the Splatoon Beta?

 

[Zelkam]

1 second of power outage is all it takes to nullify 4 hours of custom farming...*sigh*

 

[Rizen]

1 second of power outage is all it takes to nullify 4 hours of custom farming...*sigh*

That sucks Doesn't it autosave though?

 

[Lawz.]

Hell yes to Splatoon.

 

[RonNewcomb]

Helm Splitter. Or a Mortal Draw counter / super armor thing.
Or the Ball and Chain.

I'd love it if Link had a counter. I second Marth because of that counter. I think Link's counter would involve "presenting" his shield, and on-hit would spin with the momentum into a slice. Or whatever.

I'd make his spin attack more like the games: one quick spin as a GTFO move. None of this twirling in place for days. I don't need it to kill or damage-rack, I just need a quick get-off-me move I can use when Sonic, Shiek and the Captain start running over me. That doesn't allow a charged smash attack if they block it.

I'd also like to customize the Z button. Drop hookshot for Shield Bash -- a 4f unblockable jab that knocksdown, basically. And a normal-ish grab with Titan's Mitt / Power Glove.

And as a custom neutral-B: the magic spell book from Zelda 2: Adventure of Link. Five spells selected like Decisive Monado Arts: Fairy, Fire, Reflect, Spell, Thunder.

And a pony. I also want a pony.

 

[FierceGaiety]

Dude, this guy owns the golden gauntlets, give us a 100% kill throw lol. Then again if we're talking timeline, is this canon Twilight Princess Link? If so it's time to storm the gates over not being a pro fencer.

 

[Siledh]

I'm ****ing travelling for all but one hour of the Splatoon beta and I will definitely be on it during that one hour.

Seems more like a stress test than beta though.

 

[ama99]

I can't wait for the Splatoon costumes in Smash.

 

[FierceGaiety]

Now that I think about it the golden gauntlets would be a guaranteed throw kill at 0% on everyone. So better go for the silver gauntlets for the spirit of fair play.

 

[8MAN]

Sooo... Nintendo's gonna make a theme park with Universal Studios.... and If I can't throw turtle shells at children while driving a go-kart at 200cc, I'm gonna be very dissapointed.

But in all seriousness, I'm pretty intrigued which attractions Nintendo has in mind. Though sadly, the chances of a Metroid or F-Zero exhibit are close to nil.

 

[ShinnyMetal]

Sooo... Nintendo's gonna make a theme park with Universal Studios.... and If I can't throw turtle shells at children while driving a go-kart at 200cc, I'm gonna be very dissapointed.

But in all seriousness, I'm pretty intrigued which attractions Nintendo has in mind. Though sadly, the chances of a Metroid or F-Zero exhibit are close to nil.

at least mario kart bumper cars...hopefully go karts.

I am not sure either. Metroid would be sick as **** but will definitely be mario, zelda and maybe kirby

 

[8MAN]

at least mario kart bumper cars...hopefully go karts.

I am not sure either. Metroid would be sick as **** but will definitely be mario, zelda and maybe kirby

Pokemon would also be a given.

 

[Elessar]

Sooo... Nintendo's gonna make a theme park with Universal Studios.... and If I can't throw turtle shells at children while driving a go-kart at 200cc, I'm gonna be very dissapointed.

But in all seriousness, I'm pretty intrigued which attractions Nintendo has in mind. Though sadly, the chances of a Metroid or F-Zero exhibit are close to nil.

Source please? Also, I'm willing to bet it'll mostly be roller coasters, 3D rides, and some disappointing crap. Nintendo isn't that good at knowing what to license and how to do anything that isn't games properly.

 

[ShinnyMetal]

Source please? Also, I'm willing to bet it'll mostly be roller coasters, 3D rides, and some disappointing crap. Nintendo isn't that good at knowing what to license and how to do anything that isn't games properly.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/05/07/nintendo-universal-theme-parks/70934606/

I agree, they are typically dumb and either put their hands into the pot way too much or just leave it and forget to check the quality

 

[DarkDeity15]

@ Zane the pure : Same, my hair was cut recently (on my b-day) and I hate the way I look. It used to be super long, longer than most guys at my school even, if not the longest. Now I'm forced to tie up what's left in a tiny ponytail, otherwise it looks gay af. At least they left my split bangs alone, lol. I plan to either cut it again at some point, or let it grow out again. Probably the latter.

Edit: So now that I'm 17, can I be taken a little more seriously around here?

 

[link7]

@ Zane the pure : .
Edit: So now that I'm 17, can I be taken a little more seriously around here?

No.

 

[Elessar]

Edit: So now that I'm 17, can I be taken a little more seriously around here?

Your age has nothing to do with how you're treated. It's your attitude, and that is independent of age.

 

[Zelkam]

Your age has nothing to do with how you're treated. It's your attitude, and that is independent of age.

Pretty much, this. Just ask @Volcanic Doomfire

 

[ShinnyMetal]

Your age has nothing to do with how you're treated. It's your attitude, and that is independent of age.

If you act like a 12 year old you're going to be treated as such (like some particular ninja vanishing device we all know). However you are capable of being mature beyond your age and vice versa

 

[Zelkam]

(like some particular ninja vanishing device we all know)

This took me longer to figure out than I'm willing to admit lol

 

[DarkDeity15]

No.

So you're that kinda guy, huh?

Your age has nothing to do with how you're treated. It's your attitude, and that is independent of age.

Fair enough. But me almost being an adult should at least get me something. I've been playing Smash in a competitive mindset since I was 11, after all. But that's enough of that.

Anyone else hoping that someone makes a balanced Sm4sh mod? A bigger wish of mine though is if someone could mix the mechanics of Sm4sh and Melee. Just think about it. Wave dashing, dash dancing, L-canceling, and momentum-carried jumps from Melee paired up with the other original mechanics. It would be glorious.