Social Link checked the thread. Wow! This is a nice thread!

[Rizen]

^Some can be fun but it's good to know when neither side will agree and to call it quits.

I tried to make pancakes but they ended up looking like some unearthly abomination :/ They taste good though.

 

[Elessar]

^Some can be fun but it's good to know when neither side will agree and to call it quits.

By that definition all Internet arguments will call it quits the moment each side utters what they believe.

 

[Rizen]

By that definition all Internet arguments will call it quits the moment each side utters what they believe.

Not necessarily, many times information will be furthered or disputed back and forth. Sometimes people find middle ground. We've had some good debates about Skyward Sword, TP, Customs, etc here
Although I agree a lot of trolls online just go for insults and it's better to ignore them.

 

[FSK]

We need to be clear here.

Discussion is fine, where we share information and opinions reflect on it and so on. In this case members of the discussion migh be in full agreement, this never happens in a modern debate.

Debating in modern times is when there are two oppositions and one is trying to argue that their point of view is correct and the others is wrong. If you find out during the debate that your viewpoint is wrong, your mission is now to distort the oppositions argument in such a way that makes it seem that they are the wrong ones. You must use any tools available to you, such as race cards, gender cards, or any sort of general discrimination. If you can derail the debate by throwing out accusations then it is advised to do so. Remember that the goal of a debate is not necessarily to be correct, but to ruin the day of your opponent, if you can also harm their reputation then you are in luck. Never give an answer to a question given by the opposition either, since those are the devil. If the debate is happening in public view then you need to act like a victim, this is an excellent strategy in getting people to take your side. The more people you can deceive the merrier. Also remember the louder you scream and the more you talk over the opposition the more correct you are. Showing emotions of anger is a key indicator that you are in the right and your opposition does not know what they are doing. This is especially important if there are people around observing the debate.

 

[Dumbfire]

Can confirm modern "debating" is disgusting. A league of little men discussing big things. Get assigned a topic and side, spout as much nonsense as required using all backhanded tricks in the books, and get praised for it. I was mildly applauded as "theatrical" and "poetic", but it was often "too much". Imaginative rhetoric is not for them; their flat reasoning belongs to the dirt. The light of truth they pretend to stand in is nothing more than a rush-light of closet logic; and the only way to speak for both sides convincingly is by being intellectually dishonest: putting truth behind performance and hollow rhetoric. Here is a speech I had to do at one of those events -- I received third place, honorable mention. "Too poetic -- not what we were looking for -- but impressive nonetheless." Fine -- keep your laurels.

It was a meeting ground of lawyers and politicians in the making, the geeky scum of the earth, weak in mind and body but opportunistic and cunning. I hated all of them. The only interesting people there were the attractive women who were as bored as I was.

 

[Elessar]

The back bone of modern day "debates" are logical fallacies, and its aim winning, not enlightenment. It is a sad period for intellectual debates indeed since they are so rare, and people are not "experts" and "intellectual" after the mere glance at a wikipedia page.

It is sadly one of the downfalls of the era of information. Information is so easy to access that nobody cares for it anymore.

 

[BaPTraPLaP]

I always hoped that debates were to prove points. Not to just simply win, I know debates are meant to gain favor but what is the purpose if you gain favor without a valid point made.

 

[Dumbfire]

By the way, where is Zelkam?

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

By the way, where is Zelkam?

I looked under my bed, he wasn't there.

 

[Rizen]

Yeah that's what I meant by this:

Although I agree a lot of trolls online just go for insults and it's better to ignore them.

It's best to ignore jerks like that. Or it ends up being what FSK said ()

 

[Lawz.]

Now on to more serious debates, Skyloft should be a legal counter pick if Castle Seige is as well.

I was with @ Camalange on Saturday and we both agreed it should be legal, as it once was before. Thoughts, comments, concerns?

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

I have no issues with Skyloft when compared to other stages like Castle Siege and Delfino.

 

[Lawz.]

I have no issues with Skyloft when compared to other stages like Castle Siege and Delfino.

Yeah that was our reasoning. There's two dumb low ceiling counter picks (halberd and delfino) and then there's castle seige, which is a stupid stage to begin with.

Plus Skyloft has a few more transitions but they don't last as long as castle siege so walk offs aren't as dumb.

 

[FSK]

I think I've played the stage once and I got rekt by a DDD, so my heart says no but my mind says I have insufficient knowledge on the matter.

If I bother to get a new GC-controller I will check it out.

 

[link7]

Now on to more serious debates, Skyloft should be a legal counter pick if Castle Seige is as well.

I was with @ Camalange on Saturday and we both agreed it should be legal, as it once was before. Thoughts, comments, concerns?

I 100% agree with this. If Halberd, a stage with hazards, is legal, why isn't Skyloft?

 

[Elessar]

I agree that if Castle siege and halberd remain legal then there's no reason for skyloft to not be legal. That being said, I'd rather have them all three not be legal than the way it is now.

Also, in skyloft the transition with the waterfall can kill you since you can't recover when you're under the waterfall.

 

[Rizen]

I agree Skyloft is no worse than Delfino and Halberd.

I played some good games on AiB. I lost all but 2 but learned a lot and got progressively better. It's a good kind of loss.

PS you guys are awesome

 

[GabePR]

Does anyone want to play some matches? NNID Gabyj5

 

[link and ike lover]

I agree Skyloft is no worse than Delfino and Halberd.

I played some good games on AiB. I lost all but 2 but learned a lot and got progressively better. It's a good kind of loss.

PS you guys are awesome

LOL I was top 64 in AiB (Nintendodojo) Then I got banned in Ladder xD
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Dabuz took 1 again in Nintendodojos Singles Bracket.

And my boi Reflex took 2nd place

 

[Rizen]

This is funny if you're an older gamer (strong language warning btw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqTAPYek5Ms&index=1&list=PLiqPWOQJG1tIC8sFHtiLbuXgjn5mdyu7-

LOL I was top 64 in AiB (Nintendodojo) Then I got banned in Ladder xD

How'd you get banned?

 

[link and ike lover]

This is funny if you're an older gamer (strong language warning btw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqTAPYek5Ms&index=1&list=PLiqPWOQJG1tIC8sFHtiLbuXgjn5mdyu7-

How'd you get banned?

I usually can only play on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays cause im so busy. For some stupid reason if you dont play for 1 day you lose points. I lost a total of 200 points. So I made a fake account so my points can stop decaying.

 

[Rizen]

I usually can only play on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays cause im so busy. For some stupid reason if you dont play for 1 day you lose points. I lost a total of 200 points. So I made a fake account so my points can stop decaying.

Ah, sorry that sucks

 

[link and ike lover]

Ah, sorry that sucks

Yea, hey but now im top 64 in Anthers ladder.

How ya been man, been 4ever

 

[Camalange]

I want to test Skyloft more, but yeah, the transitions last like 5 seconds and everything seems quite reasonable. Waterfall was the jankiest transformation and it's not even that bad, especially for how short transformations are and how many transitions the level cycles through... So it's not even guaranteed you'll get to that one.

Halberd, Delfino, CASTLE SIEGE... Skyloft seems no worse.

I was informed that there's a point where there's a roof that can kill you? But there's no way it happens often enough as I didn't even know what he was talking about. Halberd is like, guaranteed laser and claw hit... lmao.

 

[Huggles828]

I was informed that there's a point where there's a roof that can kill you? But there's no way it happens often enough as I didn't even know what he was talking about. Halberd is like, guaranteed laser and claw hit... lmao.

In between transitions there's one point where you can get hit by a wall flying around on the top left of the screen iirc. I've seen it a few times but it's not that big a deal. I was kinda shocked when I first saw that Skyloft was not legal but Fire Emblem Castle Siege was. I agree with everyone, if those two are legal I don't see how this level is not.

 

[Camalange]

In between transitions there's one point where you can get hit by a wall flying around on the top left of the screen iirc. I've seen it a few times but it's not that big a deal. I was kinda shocked when I first saw that Skyloft was not legal but Fire Emblem Castle Siege was. I agree with everyone, if those two are legal I don't see how this level is not.

Thanks for the clarification. I just can't imagine that such a temporary transition warrants a ban when, as stated several times, we have other jankier stages.

 

[DarkDeity15]

So yeah, still working on that AT thread as promised. But while recording I found something very cool. Now I'm not saying it's anything new, but...it's seriously cool to perform, though it was pretty hard to perfect at first and it takes very precise timing. I can garantee you guys will be impressed (hint: it's incredibly flashy). You'll get to see it in the vid that's supposed to be attached to the AT thread. I'll upload it soon.

 

[Zane the pure]

,,,, and Rainbow Cruise were tournament legal in Brawl at differing periods...

Let my people Skyloft if for nothing more than the music lol

 

[BaPTraPLaP]

,,,, and Rainbow Cruise were tournament legal in Brawl at differing periods...

Let my people Skyloft if for nothing more than the music lol

Wait really distant planet?! Skyloft should be legal then

 

[DarkDeity15]

Can someone help me out a little and link me to where some good AT info is? For some reason this phone won't let me tap the search button. :/

 

[DUKEL]

I'm not sure about skyloft as I've seen the ceiling spike to kill on a number of occasions. If its timing becomes regular knowledge it could be used in timing throws or hits, but it could also be timing on when to camp.

Castle Siege's transitions kill and the longest transition has walk-offs, a move-slowing and projectile-killing middle ground, and awkward platforms otherwise. Skyloft is the better choice by far.

EDIT: Also as far as best counter-picks as Link goes, I've had a lot of success with Halberd. You can up-b through the stage on the travel part. If you're on the middle of the stage, throwing the bomb horizontally counts as a soft throw, and the platform is a perfect place for almost non-punishable utilt/usmash if your opponent is careless enough to land above you. That combined with the low ceiling makes the stage very strong for Link. The laser also gives you a perfect opportunity to projectile spam. If my opponent doesn't know about the bans a different stage, I pick this one. Can you all think of any reason not to?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm not sure about skyloft as I've seen the ceiling spike to kill on a number of occasions.

That's nothing compared to Mario Circuit's (8) random spikes. God I hate those things.

 

[DarkDeity15]

I'm not sure about skyloft as I've seen the ceiling spike to kill on a number of occasions.

You sure you aren't talking about Mario Circut? That's the only stage that truly wants to kill you.

 

[Huggles828]

,,,, and Rainbow Cruise were tournament legal in Brawl at differing periods...

Let my people Skyloft if for nothing more than the music lol

Best tournament i ever attended. Random only rainbow cruise only side event hosted by player 1. Made 5th out of like 40 people iirc

 

[FSK]

Can someone help me out a little and link me to where some good AT info is? For some reason this phone won't let me tap the search button. :/

Heres a thread about Brawl ATs
http://smashboards.com/threads/secr...ng-thread-complete-at-list-and-combos.277706/

Heres a list of ATs that carried over from Brawl to smash4
http://www.pasteall.org/53980

Did this help? Or were you looking for something else?

EDIT: The smash 4 AT list was outdated to I updated it here http://www.pasteall.org/57701

 

[DarkDeity15]

I can also recall Wuhu Island and Pilotwings having some pretty bad hazards as well...though am I the only one that likes Gamer's hazards? Lol

Heres a thread about Brawl ATs
http://smashboards.com/threads/secrets-of-the-seven-sages-links-brainstorming-thread-complete-at-list-and-combos.277706/

Heres a list of ATs that carried over from Brawl to smash4
http://www.pasteall.org/53980

Did this help? Or were you looking for something else?

Well yeah, kinda. But only so much. Especially with bomb sliding and other stuff working differenly in Sm4sh, or just being completely absent in general. This is also somewhat useful though so thanks. But I recall @ Fox Is Openly Deceptive linking me to much more recent info. New techs included. I guess I'm off to find his post then lol.

 

[FSK]

Whoops, double post.

You'll find links to most of the information you'll need in this thread though

http://smashboards.com/threads/inde...ook-here-before-creating-a-new-thread.374832/

Keep in mind that this post http://smashboards.com/threads/inde...e-creating-a-new-thread.374832/#post-17861367

Has become outdated now that I updated the list. Hopefully Zelkam can update the post soon.

Heres the discussion thread about bombslides:

http://smashboards.com/threads/question-wii-u-bombslide.379029/

 

[Fox Is Openly Deceptive]

In no way do I endorse the following thread nor do I recommend that you use it as a reference for smash 4 AT's. http://smashboards.com/threads/trea...esearch-lab-and-at-list.380910/#post-18102830
You didn't see me, and I didn't see you.
Also, lol PIZAC.

 

[Rizen]

My complaint against Halberd as a CP for Link is characters with annoying up air related chains like Rosalina, Diddy, ZSS, etc can kill stupidly early there.
IMO BF is overall the best stage for Link. For a large CP stage my favorite is Delfino but only if the opponent must chase Link down (Ike, Ganon, etc). Chasing good mobility characters like Yoshi down on big stages is hell.

Yea, hey but now im top 64 in Anthers ladder.

How ya been man, been 4ever

Congrats.

Not good tbh, I've just had a lot of stuff to deal with the last 3 months.

 

[Kevandre]

Figured I'd go to the social threads and post my silhouettes. I actually have a quite few for Link... And I'll be posting even more in the Toon Link thread!


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