Let's talk directly to Nintendo. Here's how and why.

[Deleted member]

Most of you know what happened about two months ago.
The second game in the 'MOTHER' series (known as Earthbound everywhere else but Japan) was released on the japanese virtual console for Wii U. Fans of the game in other areas of the world got on Miiverse's MOTHER 2 thread and started requesting Nintendo bring the game to The Americas and Europe.

A little while after, Nintendo responded and acknowledged the fans requests. (See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQlFeJmtkK8)
It's obvious now that Nintendo and it's employees read Miiverse posts, and Miiverse is a perfect way to talk directly to Nintendo.

As some of you have probably realized, Earthbound's fanbase isn't as big as Smash's. If we can do what Earthbound's fanbase did with Smash 4, and multiple it, we can change the game.

Let's say we want a certain change for the game.
Faster gameplay, wave dashing, new characters, etc. Miiverse is the way to tell Nintendo that.

https://miiverse.nintendo.net/warawara/14866558073037299863

What I'm wanting everyone to do here is organize people to get on Miiverse and request the game to be more like Melee, or however you want, and give reasons. With a group effort, we can influence Nintendo to fix the game for the better.

Our Goals for Smash 4:
Make it fast paced like Melee. The game should be fast paced so the game is easy for people to learn and hard for people to master. It adds replayability to the game and increases the game's lifespan. Melee is still being played today, and this is replayability is how you do it.

...more goals soon.

Be sure to draw pictures, give reasons, and act very passionate. If we can group together and talk to Nintendo, we can have influence on the game's development. Good luck.

 

[Mithost]

How does speed add replayability? I understand a fun game will be forever played, but there is nothing to say that people will stop having fun with Brawl, or a competitive game with Brawl fall speeds.

 

[SmurdeR]

Didn't someone do this? ._.

 

[Dakpo]

If you want a game like melee, go play melee lol. if you want more characters in Melee, go play project melee. Brawl was a slow paced game that allowed you time to outhink your opponent. Not just push buttons faster. I think the balance they are going for is going to be great

 

[Kewkky]

So essentially you're saying "**** the people who like Brawl and dislike Melee, let's ignore Sakurai's attempts at uniting both communities and instead further separate us by making Melee AND Brawl players ask Nintendo for what they want, even if their interests conflict with each other".

I'd rather let Sakurai decide on what to add... As long as it's not something stupid like tripping.

 

[SureNsync]

I think Nintendo did us a big enough favor of adding Mega Man. If we did ask Nintendo on Miiverse for changes to the series, I feel that we'll be asking Nintendo for to much.

 

[Curmudgeon]

EarthBound hasn't been released yet on the virtual console. And I don't think they really cared about the Miiverse posts, I think they were already planning to release EarthBound and used the community posts to pretend they listened to us, maybe that's just me. (You should also note that the MOTHER fanbase has been requesting localization for its games since the 90's) Also, fast pace doesn't add replayability.

 

[Deleted member]

How does speed add replayability? I understand a fun game will be forever played, but there is nothing to say that people will stop having fun with Brawl, or a competitive game with Brawl fall speeds.

a game that is easy for people to learn and hard for people to master adds replayability.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

Brawl was a slow paced game that allowed you time to outhink your opponent. Not just push buttons faster.

In other words: Brawl is for people with no technical skill and slow reaction time.

 

[Mithost]

a game that is easy for people to learn and hard for people to master adds replayability.

That doesn't mean a game with a slower fall speed (which is not even confirmed to be true, seeing beta test stuff) can't have no depth. Magic: The Gathering has been reckoned as being one of the deepest games of this generation, and it's turn based. SF4 isn't all that fast either, and people never claim that game is not as competitive as it can be.

 

[Sedda]

I said this before in the other thread, but BE CAREFUL WITH THE POWER OF THE MIIVERSE.

Casuals can complain about things that will affect the metagame as well, and THEY WON'T KNOW BETTER.
I was listening to the TGS E3 stuff, and one of them was like "I just don't like clones because I've never felt the need to use puff in any of the games." We know Puff is a good character in melee and 64(even if she places low, I'd say the 64 tier list reflect more elements than just being placed low). So casuals are gonna be like lolz jiggs sucks nintendo plz buff, and we'll be like WHAT IS GOING ON?

 

[Mithost]

If they care enough about balance patches, they will care enough to look at the part of the fanbase that is actually affected by real balance issues.

 

[Kewkky]

Jiggs is pretty godlike in Melee. She's OKAY in 64, and SUUUUUUUUUCKS in Brawl.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I said this before in the other thread, but BE CAREFUL WITH THE POWER OF THE MIIVERSE.

Casuals can complain about things that will affect the metagame as well, and THEY WON'T KNOW BETTER.
I was listening to the TGS E3 stuff, and one of them was like "I just don't like clones because I've never felt the need to use puff in any of the games." We know Puff is a good character in melee and 64(even if she places low, I'd say the 64 tier list reflect more elements than just being placed low). So casuals are gonna be like lolz jiggs sucks nintendo plz buff, and we'll be like WHAT IS GOING ON?

So...? it's not like they will cut Jigglypuff just because one person complains about her. It doesn't affect you either, so what's your point?

 

[Sedda]

So...? it's not like they will cut Jigglypuff just because one person complains about her. It doesn't affect you either, so what's your point?

My point is that this community represents less than 1% of the people who play/will play smash. Ask people who don't know about competitive Melee who is better between Puff and Kirby.

Once people start complaining about stuff on Miiverse, so will the casuals, and they may ask for things that don't need to be asked because they don't know better.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

So...? it's not like they will cut Jigglypuff just because one person complains about her. It doesn't affect you either, so what's your point?

His point is that people who play Smash can say stupid things, and if those ignorant people make ******** suggestions on Miiverse and Nintendo is stupid enough to listen, it would be bad for the game.

Edit: This post is now redundant given Sedda's response. Ah well.

 

[Curmudgeon]

My point is that this community represents less than 1% of the people who play/will play smash. Ask people who don't know about competitive Melee who is better between Puff and Kirby.

Once people start complaining about stuff on Miiverse, so will the casuals, and they may ask for things that don't need to be asked because they don't know better.

His point is that people who play Smash can say stupid things, and if those ignorant people make ******** suggestions on Miiverse and Nintendo is stupid enough to listen, it would be bad for the game.

Do you really think Nintendo cares about what people post on Miiverse? They won't change Jigglypuff even if the 60% of Miiverse is against her.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

I was simply clarifying Sedda's point for you, since your were apparently confused.

 

[Pyra]

So essentially you're saying "**** the people who like Brawl and dislike Melee, let's ignore Sakurai's attempts at uniting both communities and instead further separate us by making Melee AND Brawl players ask Nintendo for what they want, even if their interests conflict with each other".

I'd rather let Sakurai decide on what to add... As long as it's not something stupid like tripping.

QFT. I like this guy.

 

[Sedda]

Do you really think Nintendo cares about what people post on Miiverse? They won't change Jigglypuff even if the 60% of Miiverse is against her.

Ok? I didn't say they cared, but in the very small chance that they do and actually listen (which I suspect they do, given the way Sakurai has described Smash 4 in comparison with Brawl and Melee) I was just trying to make everyone aware that they should be careful of what they wish for.

edit- also, stop looking for arguments with people. I was simply explaining my point of view.
First, you said that they're not going to listen to one guy sayng that Puff sucks, but then you said that even if 60% of their players complain, they won't care.
I was just sharing my opinion and the dangers that complaining on miiverse could bring to the game in a competitive sense.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Ok? I didn't say they cared, but in the very small chance that they do and actually listen (which I suspect they do, given the way Sakurai has described Smash 4 in comparison with Brawl and Melee) I was just trying to make everyone aware that they should be careful of what they wish for.

edit- also, stop looking for arguments with people. I was simply explaining my point of view.
First, you said that they're not going to listen to one guy sayng that Puff sucks, but then you said that even if 60% of their players complain, they won't care.
I was just sharing my opinion and the dangers that complaining on miiverse could bring to the game in a competitive sense.

Ok, sorry, I think I maybe exaggerated

 

[Pyra]

Jigglypuff rocks.

Nintendo rocks.

Viva la smash.

Anyway, I'll attempt to do my tiny, tiny miiverse part when I get a WiiU.

 

[Problem2]

The Melee fans have been pretty unified and loud about their disappointment with Brawl, going so far as modifying Brawl's very engine to play like Melee, popularizing it, and even getting a nice article published on IGN. For the creator of that game, it would be unlikely for him to not notice. I'm happy that he's considering trying to balance both worlds, which is what I thought he would try harder to do last time, but some of the most silly things in Brawl look like they were last minute changes.

Miiverse is kind of a safe haven from ranting, trolling, and other negative online activities (for now). Ranting about making it like Melee is just going to convince Brawl fans to rant too. I'm sure we're going to get enough complaints about moves and characters being cheap when Smash 4 comes out.

 

[patrickthekid]

Hey guys. This may be the perfect opportunity to ask for specific character requests to buff/nerf characters as well as make certain moves more viable (FLUDD).

 

[Sedda]

Hey guys. This may be the perfect opportunity to ask for specific character requests to buff/nerf characters as well as make certain moves more viable (FLUDD).

Maybe we should ask for a nerf on Kirby's ssb64 u-tilt, you know, if it isn't too late

 

[JOE!]

Hey guys. This may be the perfect opportunity to ask for specific character requests to buff/nerf characters as well as make certain moves more viable (FLUDD).

Just saying, but the animation for FLUDD in the vs Megaman vid seemed much stronger-looking than Brawl's, but that is still aesthetic.

 

[Dakpo]

In other words: Brawl is for people with no technical skill and slow reaction time.

LOL I love when Randoms try give opinions on things they have no Idea about. You think jigglypuff is bad too huh? Please go tell Sakurai how better kirby is. GGCP?

 

[Vkrm]

LOL I love when Randoms try give opinions on things they have no Idea about. You think jigglypuff is bad too huh? Please go tell Sakurai how better kirby is. GGCP?

Melee player are elitist? And to be fair I haven't exactly heard the name dakpo either. How'd you ever get into the BBR? Then again maybe just trying to troll.

 

[DefenseTech]

Melee player are elitist? And to be fair I haven't exactly heard the name dakpo either. How'd you ever get into the BBR? Then again maybe just trying to troll.

lol all competitive smash players are the butt of the fighting game community

 

[Dakpo]

Melee player are elitist? And to be fair I haven't exactly heard the name dakpo either. How'd you ever get into the BBR? Then again maybe just trying to troll.

Melee player's have the worst elitist attitudes for sure. I love both games and can't wait to see the combination of the two.
If you aren't into the brawl scene, or are new to it, I can't blame you for not knowing who I am.
I have been a huge contribution to the Zss brawl metagame placing well at multiple regions and being considered top 3 with Zss at one point in time. Not trying to be cocky, but I have definitely put enough time into this game to be at least notable

 

[Vkrm]

lol all competitive smash players are the butt of the fighting game community

Do you know from experience? Or do you not realize how silly it is to form an opinion about a group of people based on what you heard from another group of people. I don't think all melee players are saints, but based on the people I've met from this scene and others we might be one of the more friendly groups in person. Casuals don't realize this because of how vocal we are about our issues with brawl. But let me ask you, can you point out me in the direction out community that isn't slightly dickish over the net?

 

[Kewkky]

No Vkrm, both communities are a poison on each other. Melee players like to troll, then Brawl players get butthurt and troll back, then Melee players get butthurt and troll back, etc etc etc... Doesn't matter if theyre the friendliest people in the world to you, what matters is how they are to everyone else. Where have you been since Brawl came out?

 

[Winston!]

Loved Smash Bros N64, loved Melee, loved Brawl and hope I love Smash Wii U... lol... who are we kidding. We know this game is gonna rock. Screw all the whiny complainers who want the game developed according to their personal competitive standards. I hope they make the game play like the way they want it to.

 

[Vkrm]

Loved Smash Bros N64, loved Melee, loved Brawl and hope I love Smash Wii U... lol... who are we kidding. We know this game is gonna rock. Screw all the whiny complainers who want the game developed according to their personal competitive standards. I hope they make the game play like the way they want it to.

Believe it or not they can please both casual and hardcore, and I doubt you're likely to enjoy smash 4 any more if it were limited to your preferences.

@Kewkky I think my personal experiences actually count more considering I was interacting with them face to face. And if you're an Internet troll, all that matters is selecting target who will produce the most nonsensical/funniest responses. The competitive smash community is notorious for this. Basically I'm not convinced the melee community is any more trolly than any other. We're pretty argumentative, but that just stems from the passion we have for our game.

 

[SKM_NeoN]

LOL I love when Randoms try give opinions on things they have no Idea about. You think jigglypuff is bad too huh? Please go tell Sakurai how better kirby is. GGCP?

You know what I love? People who personally attack others for having different opinions.

Seriously though, Brawl takes almost no skill to play compared to other fighting games. True story. Not trying to be mean, I happen to like to play Brawl occasionally, it's just not very good on a competitive level.

 

[Vkrm]

Admittedly it takes less physical skill, but that's not all there is to fighting games.

 

[Dakpo]

You know what I love? People who personally attack others for having different opinions.

Seriously though, Brawl takes almost no skill to play compared to other fighting games. True story. Not trying to be mean, I happen to like to play Brawl occasionally, it's just not very good on a competitive level.

hahaha this guy!
He comes in, unnecessarily insults brawl and all of its players and then expects not to be picked out personally? Of course I'm going to defend my game. Any person who has amassed a large amount of time into something is not going to just sit back when a Random thinks it takes no skill to do. That is 100% ignorance. I love all the smash games and melee isn't an exception. You should learn to appreciate and understand the time and work that gets put into being a high level player in any game. Although, you don't appear to understand much.

Admittedly it takes less physical skill, but that's not all there is to fighting games.

this X1000

 

[Pyra]

Brawl.
Quite a fun game if you ask me. That's all there really is to say on the matter.

 

[Oracle]

brawl v melee debates its like 2008 all over again!

 

[Pyra]

brawl v melee debates its like 2008 all over again!

What did you say? You have an opinion that's not exactly like mine? Here's a counterpoint that may or may not be irrelevant but makes me sound knowledgeable enough to rebut anyway! As far as I know, anyway.
Anyway, back on topic. Perhaps people can make a difference. I wouldn't knock the idea just yet.
Or at all, actually.