Learn how to earn your wings! A pit video critique thread :)

[Kuro~]

Trololool. Just watched all vids. that mk was playin pit wrong. U had that **** luckay you just choked. And also you werent getting kills fast enough. MK should be dying at like 100-110...not counting bair.FreshFsmash2gud. You got kinda luckay (lol puns)

Ill critique m3 later & maybe m1 later. All ik is you had that ****, just missed so many obvious things cuz u seemed to lack confidence and hesitation is not something u want vs mk.

Oh and a general side note...dont forget you can roll out of tornado when in shield x.o that shield break was unnecessary

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

well im bored so ur in luck luckay. ill critique the rest of the vid if my first summary doesn't cover something new that i notice

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

lol I just commented on that and realized I was logged onto our group YT profile

I'm so bad vs mk

Edit: Just watched the whole vid and shook my head almost as much as when I was actually playing even though I already knew the outcome.

You probably already know, but you land in front of MK too much. Land away next time.

 

[Abel1994]

Its dead here o-o


Let us Pit board make a AT video with links to each one UP TO DATE IN HD so we can put them up on guides :D

 

[Xcallion]

I'm going to a tourney this weekend so by monday i'll probably post the good matches on our community channel and dump the rest on my own. I havent forgotten to track down an olimar to get some experience with that MU.

Dont bother wishing me luck with the tourney. I wont make it past the first few rounds anyways.

 

[Abel1994]

I wish you luck D:

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I'm going to a tourney this weekend so by monday i'll probably post the good matches on our community channel and dump the rest on my own. I havent forgotten to track down an olimar to get some experience with that MU.

Dont bother wishing me luck with the tourney. I wont make it past the first few rounds anyways.

Same ^

I'll try to get some matches with Logic on my wii.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

um.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6zz4Wda-M

it's not all of his ATs, but this did take me a while to make so consider it something. also did like no1 watch this besides xcallion because im still the only pit who uses 2sjcus as far as ive seen in videos.

 

[Kuro~]

um.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6zz4Wda-M

it's not all of his ATs, but this did take me a while to make so consider it something. also did like no1 watch this besides xcallion because im still the only pit who uses 2sjcus as far as ive seen in videos.

Eh i keep it simple with usmash for the most part and just do sliding hyphen smash. And wdf you forgot bout me D:. I commented on it in the social when u first put it up ^_^.

@Abel. WE DO. Its called the undrworld series

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

kuro i know that you did i just kinda was like, "oh hohohoho. ima like post this here and be like, nderp derp derp derp....nnnnnn derp derp derp derp derp" as the saying that abel (and probably any1 but pulse atm) doesnt get goes.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

What kuro said. 2sjcus seems too unnecessary.

 

[Esca]

I like the Drum n Bass

But running through an opponent is a free grab on their part, so the pivot angel ring/arrow > grab thing is negated. The arrow doesnt have enough hit stun to get a grab in.

Also they can get up right after the footstool. idk why people try that.

Pit's all about keeping it simple. You guys are overlooking that so hard.

 

[dskank]

i rofled so hard at the pivot arrow>pivot grab
ur funny maha :]

but good vid, the 2jsjeu-upsmash is legit

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

okay i never said the pivot arrow stuff is inescapable at all ever. they aren't true combos (duh derpy der) they are set ups that i find useful. i didn't say that it's inescapable. i said it works. i basically showed you guys some basic mix ups you can do out of pivot arrow that your opponent wouldn't expect. this video is ADVANCED gameplay. and everyone knows that mixing it up is how you win. i mean if you guys wanna keep your gameplay narrow minded and predictable then by all means go for it.

@luckay
2sjcus is a good mix up out of fthrow at higher percents. you slide BEHIIND them and then unleash the charged usmash.

@esca
i know mystic wrath is pointless. i even say it in the vid. but still it is fun in concept. and besides, in doubles arrow>into your partners footstool can lead into somelegit ****. like how dk can true combo his headbut out of his own footstool or how a bunch of other characters can do a bunch of other legit ****.. like i said tho mystic wrath itself is pointless.

also running through some1 is not pointless if it is a mindgame and you know what their reaction will be. i basically showed you guys my personal mindgames' basics. it's completely up to you if want to use them as reads. i will say however esca that i've gone to syncs house the last 2 fridays and pulled all of these off at least once on everybody there that i played (mystic wrath aside derp. that was just something fun i put on cause i was board)

so let me make it clear. none of these are real combos, they are mix ups that work. or they at least work for me

 

[Esca]

okay i never said the pivot arrow stuff is inescapable at all ever. they aren't true combos (duh derpy der) they are set ups that i find useful. i didn't say that it's inescapable. i said it works. i basically showed you guys some basic mix ups you can do out of pivot arrow that your opponent wouldn't expect. this video is ADVANCED gameplay. and everyone knows that mixing it up is how you win. i mean if you guys wanna keep your gameplay narrow minded and predictable then by all means go for it.

@luckay
2sjcus is a good mix up out of fthrow at higher percents. you slide BEHIIND them and then unleash the charged usmash.

@esca
i know mystic wrath is pointless. i even say it in the vid. but still it is fun in concept. and besides, in doubles arrow>into your partners footstool can lead into somelegit ****. like how dk can true combo his headbut out of his own footstool or how a bunch of other characters can do a bunch of other legit ****.. like i said tho mystic wrath itself is pointless.

also running through some1 is not pointless if it is a mindgame and you know what their reaction will be. i basically showed you guys my personal mindgames' basics. it's completely up to you if want to use them as reads. i will say however esca that i've gone to syncs house the last 2 fridays and pulled all of these off at least once on everybody there that i played (mystic wrath aside derp. that was just something fun i put on cause i was board)

so let me make it clear. none of these are real combos, they are mix ups that work. or they at least work for me

If you play textbook with pit you'll do better than playing fancy.

 

[fUddO]

Honestly, Pit's strength always seemed to be the fact that he can play super-safe against pretty much the whole cast (except maybe MK; I suck at the MU so I can't really judge).

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

it's not playing fancy tho. why can't any1 understand what i mean?

play txt book is fine. but if thats all you do you become predictable because you are repeating the same things over and over in reaction to the same things over and over

by mixing it up with something different every once in a while, whether it's a maha mindgame or not, it throws off your opponent. im taking in play psycology into account when i made the vid and the above comments i made. txt book is fine, but txtbooks get read and don't change. you can learn and memorize a txtbook.

but if you play with psycology in mind, it changes the outcome. this way you play more like a research paper (as opposed to a txtbook). ya you get read. and hell you may even change for a while, but when you find out new data (aka an opponents reaction to your reaction), and do something new and unexpected, you've discovered a new result to the same thing.

 

[Ayoub]

Are you guys seriously discussing about that vid? It's as stupid as my video, it's just to show off, lol.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

i actually love ur vid ayoub. i use a lot of the tricks in there that i didn't know existed until i saw it. like platform cancelling on any platform, jab lock infiniting in doubles, a lot of my woi game was developed from ur tricks. and yes my vid is stupid, but i actually didn't make it to show off anything except for the end part. if i wanted to show off the vid would be called Divine Sniper (oh wait..... lololol)

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

it's not playing fancy tho. why can't any1 understand what i mean?

play txt book is fine. but if thats all you do you become predictable because you are repeating the same things over and over in reaction to the same things over and over

by mixing it up with something different every once in a while, whether it's a maha mindgame or not, it throws off your opponent. im taking in play psycology into account when i made the vid and the above comments i made. txt book is fine, but txtbooks get read and don't change. you can learn and memorize a txtbook.

but if you play with psycology in mind, it changes the outcome. this way you play more like a research paper (as opposed to a txtbook). ya you get read. and hell you may even change for a while, but when you find out new data (aka an opponents reaction to your reaction), and do something new and unexpected, you've discovered a new result to the same thing.

I doubt you can call everything in that video a "maha mindgame" lol. I also just realized on that mystic wrath thing that you didn't even wing cancel correctly and the ftilt was so delayed that this could never work on someone.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

obviously not everything lol. i can't take credit for all that. argghhhhh this is all getting blown so far out of proportion.....

and on mystic wrath. i did that alone by myself just to see if i could do all the motions. it took a long time to get that all down in order let alone correctly, if correctly is even possible. and like ive always said, it is impractical in every way. it is just something i thought people could have fun with.

new topic.
any1 named xcallion get those olimar matches?

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I swear I would have had olimar matches, but Logic was being a douche and wouldn't play on my wii because I had stage textures which mine aren't even that bad like a raining battlefield or something I really only have a couple and that's for Battlefield and FD and they aren't very different.

 

[Kuro~]

I swear I would have had olimar matches, but Logic was being a douche and wouldn't play on my wii because I had stage textures which mine aren't even that bad like a raining battlefield or something I really only have a couple and that's for Battlefield and FD and they aren't very different.

I had a problem where everyone took out my SD cuz of textures so i finally gave up and copied a textured version on to my laptop and at tournies i use my music hax only version. Now no1 takes it out :D

Also you could of taken out the sd played the match and simply pushed it back in cuz that lets u save the replay. Then take it back out etc etc.

 

[Xcallion]

I would have gotten Oli matches at my tourney if there had been any oli mains there.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I had a problem where everyone took out my SD cuz of textures so i finally gave up and copied a textured version on to my laptop and at tournies i use my music hax only version. Now no1 takes it out :D

Also you could of taken out the sd played the match and simply pushed it back in cuz that lets u save the replay. Then take it back out etc etc.

Sounds troublesome. I'm just going to take off the stage textures and have only music hax since that's not much of a problem.

This is the only set with me in it that got saved since I played on a recording set up. It's a doubles match so no need to critique since I think I know what I did wrong. Purely for entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDJpvwWqFX8

 

[Xcallion]

I liked the vid
Speaking of which, I have a lot of vids that i recorded in the tourney on saturday and i'll put them up soon.

 

[Xcallion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRjU0rzfyzw
Yes i did mean to do that @ 2:17 although i was hoping i wouldnt die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHhqmzX1m8U
Video description states how i feel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-6vHlgNNJs
Yes... that really did happen at the end. I shoulda seen that one coming.

Critique any or all. All feedback is appreciated.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

vid1
it's been 11 seconds. you approached before 36%. don't do that

a little over a minute. too much WOI without thought or reason.

around a minute and a half. you can't ledge grab loop from that angle. i mean yes the arrow can loop but if you are gonna do that just shoot it up grab the ledge and bring it around behind him so that he has to turn around to reflect it or shield it thus leaving you with an opening.

at 1:59
oh man. if you had just stopped moving you're control stick when it was at a perfect left that arrow would have hit and you could have probably got a grab. good control tho, keep practicing that shot. it is the most important loop shot.

nice gimp at 2:20. i love seeing pit's maximize WOI.

pit cannot mirror phantasm logically. only the end hit. just use AR or usmash

around 3:20
this is what i mean when i say learn to know when to and when not to loop. that was an easy arrow gimp if you had just aimed downwards. don't throw out loops for no reason, you've got to recognize the situation and then loop or spam based on the angle and opportunity.

general loop rule of thumb, don't try to do a loop around the moveing platform from the direction that it is moving, 9/10 times it'll block it even if your arrow would have been acurate otherwise

im done with that first vid. ill probably do the others later.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

1st match

Start off the match spamming arrows. Like maharba said, don't get in close until you're at 30%~, trust me it helps so much.

1:03 I like that idea.

2:17 Dude, that was nice as hell. Stealing more of your ideas, muahahaha.

2nd match

1:20 That was a mirror shield. Always be prepared for a mirror shield when the spacies are on fire like that.

1:23 Not going to happen most of the time. Either edgehog if he is going for the ledge, or wait on the stage to knock him back off. You can interrupt it if you time angel ring right so practice that since it has a bigger hitbox range.

1:46 I see you went for it there. Work on that timing.

2:08 This is a stressful situation, but if your invincibility wore off then fishing for the kill means you'll get 50% from his cg. Use more safe moves or go for grabs to get him offstage.

I saw the ending coming. Stop letting him get that cg! The absolute worst thing to do is dodgeroll or move towards the middle of the stage because that just means more grabs for him. Camp the edge and STAY there. You didn't use enough arrows or use our quicks moves at all. Learn to use jab, FRAME 2 utilt, and dtilt more.

match 3 pretty much same advice

never roll towards falco after the cg to spike, he will fsmash you

 

[Pitzer]

I tried watching this vid, but it hurt my eye's sorry cant explain everything you did wrong. Basic ones though. Vs Falco soon as the match starts, arrow or run to the edge. Don't ever challenge falco in the beginning he's just fishing for the CG. That's all they ever do. Also You think he's gonna side B, please for the love of God Shield, then run away. Up-smash OoS when you expect him to roll. That gimp 2nd stock You could've lived.. You could've made it back by going back but you didn't...

 

[Xcallion]

Thanks for the feedback guys. Sorry i made your eyes bleed, Zero. I'm well aware of how much i suck.

 

[Pitzer]

No, it's not that I didn't eat anything that morning plus I had to go to the hospital.

 

[Xcallion]

it's all good zero. everyone gets a bit grouchy sometimes and it seems like you had a good excuse. sorry you had to go to the hospital. i hope whatever it is isnt a problem anymore.

 

[Ayoub]

i actually love ur vid ayoub. i use a lot of the tricks in there that i didn't know existed until i saw it. like platform cancelling on any platform, jab lock infiniting in doubles, a lot of my woi game was developed from ur tricks. and yes my vid is stupid, but i actually didn't make it to show off anything except for the end part. if i wanted to show off the vid would be called Divine Sniper (oh wait..... lololol)

Haha, thanks, cool that you loved it. But the tricks are kinda stupid, they work sometimes, I do them too (like the locks etc). But they're still stupid. I didn't mean like, your video is stupid or your combo's as in, that stupid (lol good explenation). But it's just, the tricks won't work most of the time. So people shouldn't keep trying them. =P Lol.

Sorry, bad english. xD

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Damn Europeans write a whole paragraph and then say it's bad English when I can't make anything close to that in another language.

 

[CYVE]

^ That's just because we (at least most of us) learn English at school and yeah.. it's not the most difficult language anyway.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

so since i've been getting owned out here in texas except when i play MUs im knowledgeable on i decided to go watch my old matches to see if i could learn from my old mistakes that i used to make in those MUs. sure enough since i did not play for a month before i jumped right in against the houston brawlers instead of me losing my old habits i realized that they were instead reinforced.

im playing the way i used too (****ty) instead of the way i was towards the end of my brawling in california (good). thus i went back and read your guys' old critiques and saddly enough they are the same things i need to work out AGAIN which is frusterating as i realize it means that i have to constantly practice to keep out of habit yet i don't own a wii so i can't practice.

however i have to thank all of you who pointed out my should now be old flaws as they are what i need to get rid of now. and that just pisses me off that i have to do all that work again (even my once was great tech skill) but i can't do without a ****ing wii. i've even been ****ing up my pivot arrows regularly. MY PIVOT ARROWS! arghhhhh....

 

[Abel1994]

I want to play like this kid OR SHALL I SAY GOD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHReXoK4Xc8

 

[Xcallion]

very nice game by Luckay. I wont critique it unless he asks me to. also maharba, i know you pain. i keep regressing as well due to lack of good people to play. I no longer have any friends that live nearby who are better than me and considering how bad i am you can only imagine how bad my friends are xD

 

[Abel1994]

lol He mentions my name in the video to be jelous...