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[HarryTheChin]

Rizen for pres pls

 

[Rizen]

TBH I've avoided being a mod because I like to debate with people and I want to stay on level ground. Being a mod might hurt that
Ano was a mod. He should be made a mod again if he wants.

 

[Bomber7]

If Ano, nor Rizen wants the job, I'll do it. I hate debating with people. I just like bringing the hammer down and having the final say so.

Bomberforsupremedictator.

 

[Rizen]

TBH I've avoided being a mod because I like to debate with people and I want to stay on level ground. Being a mod might hurt that
Ano was a mod. He should be made a mod again if he wants.
Edit if Ano doesn't want to mod I'll do it.

 

[N.T.A.O ChangeOfHeart 死の剣]

Edit: No NTAO

 

[Bomber7]

That's the second time today I've seen a delayed double post. This new site keeps getting wierder and wierder.

 

[link and ike lover]

I cant wait for Hyrule warriors

 

[Anonano]

If you guys want to get a new mod, I'd recommend you send a message to an administrator with the request. I wouldn't say any of the four of us would be a bad choice and tbh the longer I go since I got back in 2012 the less and less likely my plan to drop Smash entirely from my life seems to become, so if the admins asked me to become a mod again I wouldn't refuse. That said, Rizen is also a more active player than myself and is much more well-known and probably has more respect than me in the community. It's really all up to the admins though, and it's not like an election, so just PM the admins.

DS4: I can see you and GYK losing so hard LOL

 

[N.T.A.O ChangeOfHeart 死の剣]

Edit: No NTAO

 

[link and ike lover]

TBH I've avoided being a mod because I like to debate with people and I want to stay on level ground. Being a mod might hurt that
Ano was a mod. He should be made a mod again if he wants.
Edit if Ano doesn't want to mod I'll do it.

What r u packing up for?

 

[Rizen]

What r u packing up for?

My place and a lot of CO got flooded, I moved back after the apartments replaced the drywall and carpet then a new owner raised the rent. I have to move again. Somehow a lot of people losing their homes makes property values increase

I cant wait for Hyrule warriors

That looks fun I want to see more about the new official Zelda game too.

 

[Anonano]

GYK ENTERS THE FORUM, CARRYING A SOAP BOX. HE SETS IT DOWN AND STANDS ON IT.

GYK: "Behold, mere mortals, how amazing I am and take all my advice as The Truth in your lives."

GYK CONTINUES TO SPEAK. MEMBERS OF THE FORUM, STARTLED BY THE NEWCOMER'S RANTING, LOOK AT EACH OTHER. A FEW LAUGH TO THEMSELVES SILENTLY, THEN CONTINUE DISCUSSION AS NORMAL. GYK CONTINUES SPEAKING, AND AFTER AN UNFORTUNATE SET WITH RIZEN, A RESPECTED MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, SUCCEEDS IN DEFEATING HIM. GYK MOCKS HIM PUBLICLY.

GYK: "You salty? LOL!"

RIZEN EXPRESSES DISPLEASURE.
ANONANO, DECIDING TO TRY TO AND STOP GYK BEFORE HE RUINS HIMSELF ON THE FORUM, STEPS FORWARD.

ANONANO: "GYK, I suggest you stop talking so highly of yourself. Remember, you're new here, and you don't have any respect in the Smash community yet, especially here on the Link forums."

SNIGGERING FROM THE OTHER FORUM MEMBERS.

ANONANO: "Tone the talk down some, friend."

GYK, OFFENDED BY THE ADVICE, SNORTS. HE PICKS UP HIS SOAP BOX AND WALKS TOWARDS THE DOOR. AT THE DOORWAY HE PLACES HIS HAND ON THE DOORFRAME TO STOP HIMSELF, THEN TURNS AND PLACES HIS SOAP BOX BACK ON THE GROUND.

GYK: "Look, I've beaten top AllisBrawl players on the ladder! The only reason nobody knows that is because it is a conspiracy by the top players to keep anyone from knowing I'm good! I'm amazing! I do not understand you, Anonano, but think not that I do not understand you and your mere mortal friends! For here, I understand your problems! Here is more of my advice for you to stand in awe of! And here, as you ask, but as I do not understand, so shall I give anyways: Praise for Rizen, who is a good player!"

ANONANO SIGHS AND SHAKES HIS HEAD. HE HOVERS A HAND FOR A MINUTE OVER GYK'S PROFILE, THINKING. HE HITS THE IGNORE BUTTON.

Forgive me if any of the format is wrong, I've never tried to write a scene of a play before

 

[N.T.A.O ChangeOfHeart 死の剣]

Edit: No NTAO

 

[Naroghin]

@ Rizen
Thanks for the tips! I did see that I simply didn't have the movement and output you were consistently managing, even when it comes to small things like using FH>bomb pull instead of standing bomb pull. Even your edge game was busy enough that I just started waiting for you to come back on the stage, haha. Regarding the rolling in order to space: this is a bad habit I've been working on heavily since I started taking the game more seriously; looks like I still have quite a ways to go! I hope you weren't offended by my standing still or attempting to Hylian your projectiles, I was trying it out since the CPU never projectiles as much as real people do so I was trying to see if it could be a viable tool. As you saw, testing so far has shown that NOPE. Haha.
Anyway, do you think we could do some more wifi after I get some practice in? It really was a blast playing with you and I'd like to see if I'm heading in the right direction. Probably not any time soon, perhaps later?

I guess that goes to all the other Link mains here as well. It would be great to experience your different play styles and learn as much as I can from the community first hand. Just let me know if you guys wanna wifi! I can't promise a challenge but I'll give it my best.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Ano if you really ignored him you wouldn't take the time reading his hidden post. You're providing more fuel to the fire.

And I second Bomber becoming a mod. He's mained Link for Idk how long and he's pretty knowledgeable on Link both in-Smash and out-Smash. Do you want a guy who debates with you every time like the devil's advocate they are, or do you want a friendly fellow who'd be more than happy to bring peace and justice to this Kingdom of the Brawl Link Board?

I'm Heero and I approve of this message.

 

[Anonano]

Don't assume too quickly, Heero. There was no reason to put him on ignore. I saw a problem, I tried to give advice, and I waited to see what his response was. His response did not waver from his former approach, so I made a parting comment and put him on ignore. He truly has been on ignore since the moment I wrote that response.

My only real problem with Bomber is that he's a Smash 64/PM player, not a Brawl one. He's still a good pick of course.

@ Naroghin : I'm up for friendlies if you want. Just post a response here or send a private message

 

[Bomber7]

That's a really cute seal, I just can't say no!

But seriously guys. Take a deep breath, enough has been said. Let's let it go. It's clear there's a miscommunication here. Let's keep all the salt and infighting to PMs.

 

[Naroghin]

@ Naroghin : I'm up for friendlies if you want. Just post a response here or send a private message

Sounds great! I won't really be able to play until next week so I'll just message you then to see if we can get something going. Got a commission for Spring Arbor University I've been putting on the back burner (due February, yikes!). I have to put some serious work in before I can touch the controller again. I'll let you know. Thanks!

Quick question to all the thread watchers: How important is it to master bomb smashes? I can perform them but they just feel so awkward I'm hard pressed to justify the raw time it would take practicing them. Thoughts?

 

[Rizen]

Sounds great! I won't really be able to play until next week so I'll just message you then to see if we can get something going. Got a commission for Spring Arbor University I've been putting on the back burner (due February, yikes!). I have to put some serious work in before I can touch the controller again. I'll let you know. Thanks!

Quick question to all the thread watchers: How important is it to master bomb smashes? I can perform them but they just feel so awkward I'm hard pressed to justify the raw time it would take practicing them. Thoughts?

It's important. I have my GC controller R button set to attack so when I want to bomb smash I'll hold R during an animation like dodging or bomb pulls then be ready to bomb Fsmash (this works with any throwing items).

I'll play soon but I can't now.

 

[Anonano]

Welcome to the world of all of Link's ATs, Naro xD Most all of the ATs are pretty situational (as in there's fairly limited use to them). So to answer your question, yes, it is worth it. Practice this AT until you've gotten it down. And don't stretch yourself to use it excessively (stretching yourself a little in wifi/cpu matches is a good way to get it down and keep it in mind during initial application, of course).

It'll be best if you set a goal for which AT you want to learn next while you are practicing a current AT. Link's ATs work the best applied together, so getting each one down individually, one at a time, is a solid start to mastering them all.

And in terms of the importance of bombsmashing, it can definitely save you in a pinch, and it's a fairly easy AT to get down and apply, so I'd say keep going with bombsmashing until you've gotten it comfortably down.

I'll give you a couple of suggestions for good ATs to work on next.
-Arrow cancelling. Another easy AT to learn, but I'd say it's one Link's most widely applicable and effective ATs. Don't forget that you can do it out of a full hop bomb pull (with some practice, probably one of the toughest applications of the AC).
-Dash Attack Cancelling. It's a well-overhyped AT but it's an AT worth getting an early start to mastering, since it is one of his toughest ATs to learn (such as mastering the distance you want to slide out of it) and it opens up some truly useful and very difficult ATs down the road (like bombsliding). It's fairly situational, but it can follow up combos...assuming you realize that it is a very punishable AT if you miss.
Tether edge hogging. Very simple technique but can prove vital when you're in the heart-pounding recovery mode, or that can lead to some awesome edgeguards. To go along with this I'd master falling off the edge and immediately catching the ledge. I forget if that has a name. Somebody let me know if it does. (Start practicing with a character like MK or Pikachu if you are having trouble instantly snapping to the edge, as Link's fall can be a bit finicky)
-A final easy but good one: invincibombing.

 

[N.T.A.O ChangeOfHeart 死の剣]

Edit: No NTAO

 

[Naroghin]

Welcome to the world of all of Link's ATs, Naro xD Most all of the ATs are pretty situational (as in there's fairly limited use to them). So to answer your question, yes, it is worth it. Practice this AT until you've gotten it down. And don't stretch yourself to use it excessively (stretching yourself a little in wifi/cpu matches is a good way to get it down and keep it in mind during initial application, of course).

It'll be best if you set a goal for which AT you want to learn next while you are practicing a current AT. Link's ATs work the best applied together, so getting each one down individually, one at a time, is a solid start to mastering them all.

And in terms of the importance of bombsmashing, it can definitely save you in a pinch, and it's a fairly easy AT to get down and apply, so I'd say keep going with bombsmashing until you've gotten it comfortably down.

I'll give you a couple of suggestions for good ATs to work on next.
-Arrow cancelling. Another easy AT to learn, but I'd say it's one Link's most widely applicable and effective ATs. Don't forget that you can do it out of a full hop bomb pull (with some practice, probably one of the toughest applications of the AC).
-Dash Attack Cancelling. It's a well-overhyped AT but it's an AT worth getting an early start to mastering, since it is one of his toughest ATs to learn (such as mastering the distance you want to slide out of it) and it opens up some truly useful and very difficult ATs down the road (like bombsliding). It's fairly situational, but it can follow up combos...assuming you realize that it is a very punishable AT if you miss.
Tether edge hogging. Very simple technique but can prove vital when you're in the heart-pounding recovery mode, or that can lead to some awesome edgeguards. To go along with this I'd master falling off the edge and immediately catching the ledge. I forget if that has a name. Somebody let me know if it does. (Start practicing with a character like MK or Pikachu if you are having trouble instantly snapping to the edge, as Link's fall can be a bit finicky)
-A final easy but good one: invincibombing.

Yeah, the funny thing is that I feel I have pretty good technical facility over all of the other AT's you listed (except bomb sliding... I can get it maybe 1 out of every 4 tries when attempting to apply it in real play), but bomb smashes are still giving me lots of trouble. No biggy, though; I'll put in the work and see if I can start applying them within a few days. I'll consider taking Rizen's suggestion and changing the R (using a CCP so I guess that's actually RZ? I dunno...) to attack and see how that goes. I never use the button as it is so I guess it wouldn't hurt to try.

Edit: I don't mean it to seem like I've mastered any of these, I still have to work on applying them to a solid spacing, timing, and reading game; I just mean I can usually pull them out effectively in real play. As Rizen easily saw I really need to work on my DACUS use. Eck....

 

[Rizen]

I vote for Ano being mod since he's been here the longest.

Most ATs aren't the most practical things to do anyway. You saw I rarely used ATs like DAC but when I did it was in a safe way to platform pressure landings.
The big thing Link must do is support spacing. Often simple (relatively simple for Link) options like Zair/Fair>land>jab are the best ways to go. Never sacrifice spacing to try ATs or fancy stuff. To play Link well you just need to space well and use the right option at the right time.

 

[Bomber7]

Link has a lot of cool ATs but imo, Link does more just being able to improvise. There are some characters who can use their ATs a lot, but Link isn't one of them. I don't feel he needs to feel like he has to.

Better yet - Link's ability to improvise is an AT.

 

[Naroghin]

@ Rizen Seconded.

Better yet - Link's ability to improvise is an AT.

As a jazz musician, improvisation comes naturally to me, so that will be a great way to think about it for the future. The thing about jazz improvisation is you have to have your techniques as well as basic music patterns memorized (in addition to solid facility) in order to be able to string motives together into seamless music (so pretty much exactly like playing Link except you aren't against anyone per se). I'm still working on getting the AT's under my fingers enough that I can spot the times to use them and whip them out. I guess AT's are kind of like advanced music theory.

Oop, gotta get ready for work! More later (I keep finding parallels).

 

[Bomber7]

@ Rizen Seconded.



As a jazz musician, improvisation comes naturally to me, so that will be a great way to think about it for the future. The thing about jazz improvisation is you have to have your techniques as well as basic music patterns memorized (in addition to solid facility) in order to be able to string motives together into seamless music (so pretty much exactly like playing Link except you aren't against anyone per se). I'm still working on getting the AT's under my fingers enough that I can spot the times to use them and whip them out. I guess AT's are kind of like advanced music theory.

Oop, gotta get ready for work! More later (I keep finding parallels).

That's a great comparison and the right idea. I think that improv and creativity are very useful tools for Link. You have the capability to do so many unique combos, you just have to react well enough and get the timing down enough to pull them off. You could be trying to do one thing, but screw up, but still see an opening to make it work. That's why I love to play any Link character so much. There's so many possibilities, moreso than any other character I see in any cast of any smash game.

 

[link and ike lover]

My place and a lot of CO got flooded, I moved back after the apartments replaced the drywall and carpet then a new owner raised the rent. I have to move again. Somehow a lot of people losing their homes makes property values increase


That looks fun I want to see more about the new official Zelda game too.

what you're place got flooded srry to hear that man. link attacks in Hyrule Warriors looks very powerful and I like his design. his design looks cool

 

[Heero Yuy]

Finally buying a capture card so I can record videos of my sexy P:M (and Brawl) Link. I was told though I need splitters in order to connect with my Wii. Do I?

 

[Rizen]

Finally buying a capture card so I can record videos of my sexy P:M (and Brawl) Link. I was told though I need splitters in order to connect with my Wii. Do I?

Yeah, so you can play on the TV and also have the feed go into your computer. I recommend 3 splitters with 2 male ends and 1 female each so you can hook up the l/r audio too.


Has any more info come out about Hyrule warriors?

 

[ScizorVX]

these comments on links meta make me cry lol

 

[Rizen]

these comments on links meta make me cry lol

^Why? How would you describe the meta improving?

I think a big part of Link's improving metagame is simply players are comfortable using Link and will use the right options at the right spacing. Before people would misuse ATs in very unsafe ways and mis-space right into gimps or punishes. People didn't know when to be aggressive or play keep away and would be reckless or timid. This also meant slower play.
I think improvising and correctly using all Link's tools is a big strong point. This allows faster play that limits the opponent's options (a big thing I didn't see in previous metas). I think Link also utilizes the stage better. Link has a lot of tools to avoid gimps/grabs/etc that people didn't use much before even though they were know.

Looking back at my 2012 Link I see I was very stagnant and threw out a lot of attacks hoping they would connect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME5OhTdtFVE
Where as in 2013 my Link's faster and more aggressive but also safer. I limit the opponent's options a lot better and frame trap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar8Pe0Wcihk
Of course I am faster and use more ATs offline.

 

[Naroghin]

Where as in 2013 my Link's faster and more aggressive but also safer. I limit the opponent's options a lot better and frame trap.

That's for dang sure. I can say from first hand experience, even if you were playing a little cold.

 

[Heero Yuy]

Speaking of 2012 metagame, I just watched a few of Rizen's videos against Mr. Eric. He would've won had the latter not landed so many lucky tippers. Otherwise, excellent spacing and utility of the ATs, moreso the spacing. He made the Link-Marth matchup look 50-50.

 

[Anonano]

these comments on links meta make me cry lol

Well, we'd welcome your input if you, like, posted

...anything legit, anyways.

ooooh calling you out son!

Throw out some posts of your own on Link's meta. It'd be fun to see what you have to say.

 

[Rizen]

Speaking of 2012 metagame, I just watched a few of Rizen's videos against Mr. Eric. He would've won had the latter not landed so many lucky tippers. Otherwise, excellent spacing and utility of the ATs, moreso the spacing. He made the Link-Marth matchup look 50-50.

He has incredible spacing; I don't think those tippers were luck, lol. Some people are incredibly good with their characters and they're really fun to play against. I learned a lot about what a good Marth can do.
Kirinblaze has said he thinks the Marth/Link MU is -1 for Link. IMO it's one of the softer -2s but still a -2 because Marth can safely pressure Link so well. Marth's faster in the air and his moves are almost twice as fast as Link's moves so Link has to think super fast and pull a bunch of complex zoning techniques but Marth can simply Fair toward Link.

Edit, I wonder why the SSB4 pic of the day hasn't been updated. He must be on vacation.
http://www.smashbros.com/us/

 

[Anonano]

Sakurai mentioned in his latest post that he'd be on vacation from, like, Dec 27th-January 6th iirc. In any case it'll probably be a couple of more days before he posts again.

 

[link and ike lover]

Rizen i love this video http://youtu.be/YzhgymuABlw its cool because u proved people wrong.

i love the twilight princess bow its more better than the skyward bow obviously.

 

[Heero Yuy]

OoT was awesome but that bow in the game... Link couldn't hit an elephant walking past him with that thing.

 

[Rizen]

^They did a good job with the limited technology back in the N64 era but wiimotes are so much easier to aim. I got the special edition Metroid Prime Trilogy for the wii (and let someone borrow it and never got it back :/) ; the wiimote aiming makes the first 2 games much easier. That's why they included hypermode as a challenge for the GC games

 

[Bomber7]

So it looks like my state is about to get a new thread since our OP got bugged out with the new site updates. I'm currently in control of the thread, but someone wants to create a new account with shared access between trusted memebers (not me I bet) and then create the new state thread under that account. Either someone is going to jump the gun and do it anyway without the proposed vote or not make the alt acct, and just make the new LA thread themselves. We shall see if I will retain my power.

Anyway.... I need to message xiivi later today to see what the status is on getting us new mods.