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Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

#HBC | Dark Horse

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And how is that?
I highly doubt that a town roleblocker would Roleblock
Kantrip. So that leaves either a scumroleblocker or an Indy roleblocker.

Let's assume Ran is either scum or Indy. Either he has some sort of roleblocking role, or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then he almost knows that there is some faction out there that has something like it. He doesn't need to look for conclusions that much.

Now, look at Ran's Shennanigans early today. He thought that kantrip could have targeted him, and that's why kantrip didn't get an action. Basically, he's looking for conclusions, which he wouldn't have to do as scum.
 

Ramen King

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Alright pretty town response of you ngl. You will switch to t-block if I show you why he is scummy, yes?

Rykerpuff what happened to your t-block read?
 

Kantrip

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actually i change my mind.

WL is very familiar with pokemon, right?

why is RR's ACTIVE ability "lightningrod", an ability in pokemon, rather than follow me? follow me makes more sense as an active ability, and it would affect all targetted moves, whereas lightning rod only attracts electric-type moves in pokemon.

yeah, it's mod meta, but it's bothering the hell out of me
It's not. It's "Attract". Lightningrod is just what the ability is traditionally called in mafia.
 

Kantrip

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Whoa I like Dark Horse's line of reasoning in his #1441. I don't think Ran's beyond faking his early Day shenanigans, but I do like where Dark Horse is coming from regardless.
 

T-block

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why do i still not understand a thing you're saying

first you thought kantrip targetted you with his watch, because he claimed it failed, and you thought it was because of your substitute. what is this "not dying". what the hell is the "second chance".

then you thought he might have been roleblocked, meaning you weren't the cause.

then he insisted he wasn't roleblocked, so you thought he might have targetted you after all. he said he watched raz, and you thought he was lying because you thought he targetted you. is lying about watching raz the only thing that contributed to your scum read on him that comes from all of this NA stuff? when you realized that substitute wouldn't block the watch, you realized he actually was roleblocked, and dropped that line

DO I HAVE THIS RIGHT
still waiting on this from ran
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Whoa I like Dark Horse's line of reasoning in his #1441. I don't think Ran's beyond faking his early Day shenanigans, but I do like where Dark Horse is coming from regardless.
He said exactly what I said but with more words. Jus sayan.


Oh and zen stealing ma thunddddah

:phone:
 

Ramen King

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the way he pushed was dumb and i don't understand why he chose to present it that way. Doesn't make ryker scum for me though. I need time to process everything - did ran ever full claim?

I didn't understand the basis of ran's push on kantrip. Seems like it was largely due to a mechanics misunderstanding or two from ran though?

Ran is eh. Nothing that's making me feel good about him. could narrow it down to him or nabe as lynches today.

kantrip claiming traitor is dumb and completely null coming from him.

Questions:
Kantrip, what is your opinion of ryker? If you insist that you are blinded, not roleblocked, are you trying to suggest that ryker might be roleblocked? Why are you so insistent on making the distinction?

Ran, i want to know what your stance is on nabe and why

nabe, i want to know what your stance is on ran and why



more later
^^ ^
 

Raziek

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I'm here, I'm sorry Xonar, I really am. I have time tonight, and I PROMISE I will catch up.

Do you have anything you want me to comment on to get me started?
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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No you can't, the thing is that "when" is out of my control. However, if you feel like it's necessary to have it out there, go ahead.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Btw, Raz, just to have it off my chest;
No hard feelings. You're probably having the time of your life and you should. Totes. However, if you can't handle this mafia game next to the others and your life, consider requesting replacement, and replacing out if it's found.
It's not a crime to replace out when it simply doesn't work, and it will probably do more good than bad in those cases.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Teh. Ramen, i don't think it will convince me that block is scum. Additionally, we should look for other possibilities. Picks, RUY?

i hope you realize now, ramen. do you see what I see?
 

Raziek

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Well, an unnamed game being almost certainly over will help, but yeah, I took on too many games. -.-

Lots of things happened at once. xD
 

Ramen King

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The issue is time. And part of what I want to get is based on T-block's response. So without further ado (that's actually a word? huh).


T-Block scum mainly because he is not truly scum hunting. If you look at all his posts in the game they all look as if he is actually trying to "get to the bottom" of stuff, but really there is actually no direction behind them. There is no intention of hunting down scum rather to appear as if he is here looking to get to the bottom of things. All he has been doing is posting when he needs to rather than posting because he wants to. Anything highlighted in orange below will show examples of this.

Secondly, he's been playing dumb (for lack of a phrase). He has been making statements in the question form all game. Over questioning and making wishy washy statements/giving weak scum reads. It's as if he is seeking approval rather than making accusations/insights. Anything highlighted in yellow below will show examples of this.

The post I dislike the most from T-block is #1104:
the way he pushed was dumb and i don't understand why he chose to present it that way. doesn't make ryker scum for me though. i need time to process everything - did ran ever full claim?

i didn't understand the basis of ran's push on kantrip. seems like it was largely due to a mechanics misunderstanding or two from ran though?

ran is eh. nothing that's making me feel good about him. could narrow it down to him or nabe as lynches toDay.

kantrip claiming traitor is dumb and completely null coming from him.

questions:
kantrip, what is your opinion of ryker? if you insist that you are blinded, not roleblocked, are you trying to suggest that ryker might be roleblocked? why are you so insistent on making the distinction?

ran, i want to know what your stance is on nabe and why

nabe, i want to know what your stance is on ran and why



more later
This is a good example of what I mean by giving weak scum reads. Ran has supposedly been his main scum pick all game and he is only and he is having trouble just flat out saying that. "Ran is eh, could narrow it down to him and Nabe" is such an open ended stance. Furthermore where the hell is his Nabe scum read coming from? This stood out to me immediately during the time. He is jumping right on Ryker's push/Kantrip's & I's pressure votes on Nabe. Kantrip and I were clearly voting in support of getting information where as T-block comes in with Nabe as suddenly scummy simply because he took Nabe as being the current push.

There is another thing I dislike about this post which I will get to after T-block responds to this.

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Now for more on the orange. Look how T-block came in right after people started to pressure him. He claimed that it was because he was caught up in another game, but what are the odds that he would suddenly not be caught up right after people start to pressure him. The way that he came in posting to appease people is so ugly to me. Especially because of the fact that he is trying to pass it off as actually scumhunting. Sure it's ok to post more if people request it, but he didn't just do that. He really was trying to pass it off as if it was a part of his individual hunting. This is shown by the questions he has been asking. Question = scumhunt. Rather than simply coming in and giving reads. Ex:
been caught up in another game, but i'm here now

do me a favour and repeat your question for me if you had one. otherwise i'll try to get them all.
If he is actually getting into the game and reading what would he need people to repeat questions before? Town t-block gets so into everything. This t-block is just trying to appear that he is.
actually i change my mind.
WL is very familiar with pokemon, right?

why is RR's ACTIVE ability "lightningrod", an ability in pokemon, rather than follow me? follow me makes more sense as an active ability, and it would affect all targetted moves, whereas lightning rod only attracts electric-type moves in pokemon.

yeah, it's mod meta, but it's bothering the hell out of me
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And now for some read fakeness.
things i don't like about kantrip:

-overly curious on people's perception of him - see post 876, 878; potential scum desire to gauge people's ideas of him and act appropriately; questions on this subject are clearly not for scumhunting purposes either - drops the topic in 880
-insistence on clarifying between blinded and roleblocked; says he just wanted to yell at ran for being wrong about something; not sure i believe that, but i can't think of any reason why
-WL supposedly telling him about the difference between "attack" and "move" within the context of this game; this one i really don't believe - pretty sloppy of the mod to use the word attack in the description like that... he would have specified lethal attack or something; doubting that he actually has pressure, maybe claimed it to deter town actions from him
-weird approach to the xonar wagon in 1262. reads like forced reasoning, procured to be able to present something new when joining the wagon

bunch of little things that are off that sorta add up. wouldn't be the worst thing if we lynched him imo - he's probs going to be lingering on my mind until he's dead or until the end of the game, but i'm a little iffy on lynching an investigative, so he probs wouldn't be my top choice toDay.

pretty tired - gonna sleep and i'll think about ran tomorrow.
The two middle points are clear garabage. Like so what if he wanted to clarify that he wasn't roleblocked? Ryker and Ran kept stating that, and he was clarifying. How would that be scummy in the slightest. The third point is so wack too. Laundry clarifying that to Kantrip is totally reasonable. And he did it in private so not to confirm anything. This point is completely null. T-block is forcing these two middle points and it's no good. I know how analytic T-block is as town. And his play like this so far is just pretend.

The hell? @ the yellow. He listed a whole bunch of points for why he feels he is scummy and then concludes that he is iffy about lynching an investigative so he should live? So then what was the point of this then? This is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to him not actually looking for scum and playing on the sidelines. He's mentioning stuff but not actually trying to hunt down a scum for today. Each of his scum picks has been on the wall.
 
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