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Laundry's All-Stars Pokemon Mafia -- Pokeballs to the Pokewalls!

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Gova|Ryker
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Ryker, give me scumZen reasoning. He has constantly been advancing the game, calling town reads, accepting town reasoning, his reads has been natural and his game has been solid. He has been dropping small town tells everywhere and you shouldn't ignore that. I really really really won't see ZenScum any time soon.
God no, they aren't natural.

Dropping town tells? What the **** does that even mean? Any player worth playing with should be able to do that.

And then there's the way you two are treating each other this entire game. It's entirely disgusting because I trust neither of you and both of you are taking the other's hand.
 

T-block

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The issue is time. And part of what I want to get is based on T-block's response. So without further ado (that's actually a word? huh).


T-Block scum mainly because he is not truly scum hunting. If you look at all his posts in the game they all look as if he is actually trying to "get to the bottom" of stuff, but really there is actually no direction behind them. There is no intention of hunting down scum rather to appear as if he is here looking to get to the bottom of things. All he has been doing is posting when he needs to rather than posting because he wants to. Anything highlighted in orange below will show examples of this.
Secondly, he's been playing dumb (for lack of a phrase). He has been making statements in the question form all game. Over questioning and making wishy washy statements/giving weak scum reads. It's as if he is seeking approval rather than making accusations/insights. Anything highlighted in yellow below will show examples of this.
lol playing dumb

the stuff you highlighted was either rhetorical or came out of genuine ignorance. asking if WL was familiar with pokemon was rhetorical. asking about what the **** ran was thinking with the BP shenanigans was from genuine ignorance.

The post I dislike the most from T-block is #1104: This is a good example of what I mean by giving weak scum reads. Ran has supposedly been his main scum pick all game and he is only and he is having trouble just flat out saying that. "Ran is eh, could narrow it down to him and Nabe" is such an open ended stance. Furthermore where the hell is his Nabe scum read coming from? This stood out to me immediately during the time. He is jumping right on Ryker's push/Kantrip's & I's pressure votes on Nabe. Kantrip and I were clearly voting in support of getting information where as T-block comes in with Nabe as suddenly scummy simply because he took Nabe as being the current push.

There is another thing I dislike about this post which I will get to after T-block responds to this.

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Now for more on the orange. Look how T-block came in right after people started to pressure him. He claimed that it was because he was caught up in another game, but what are the odds that he would suddenly not be caught up right after people start to pressure him. The way that he came in posting to appease people is so ugly to me. Especially because of the fact that he is trying to pass it off as actually scumhunting. Sure it's ok to post more if people request it, but he didn't just do that. He really was trying to pass it off as if it was a part of his individual hunting. This is shown by the questions he has been asking. Question = scumhunt. Rather than simply coming in and giving reads. Ex: "hey guys I'm scumhunting see"

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If he is actually getting into the game and reading what would he need people to repeat questions before? Town t-block gets so into everything. This t-block is just trying to appear that he is.


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And now for some read fakeness.

The two middle points are clear garabage. Like so what if he wanted to clarify that he wasn't roleblocked? Ryker and Ran kept stating that, and he was clarifying. How would that be scummy in the slightest. The third point is so wack too. Laundry clarifying that to Kantrip is totally reasonable. And he did it in private so not to confirm anything. This point is completely null. T-block is forcing these two middle points and it's no good. I know how analytic T-block is as town. And his play like this so far is just pretend.

The hell? @ the yellow. He listed a whole bunch of points for why he feels he is scummy and then concludes that he is iffy about lynching an investigative so he should live? So then what was the point of this then? This is exactly what I'm talking about with regards to him not actually looking for scum and playing on the sidelines. He's mentioning stuff but not actually trying to hunt down a scum for today. Each of his scum picks has been on the wall.
i asked people to repeat questions just in case i miss stuff... i say that in the very same post ._. you think asking people to repeat questions is a scum tell? that's quite the reach.

on nabe: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=14477793&postcount=1175 is where i first give reasoning. i put him there because he hasn't been around and because of the nature of his role.

on kantrip: it's not that i question laundry clarifying. it's that i question laundry making the mistake that lead to the need for clarification in the first place. "attack" instead of "lethal action"? in a pokemon context? it's just... such a stupid mistake. on another note, from a flavour perspective, it doesn't make sense for pressure to only affect lethal actions anyways. so no, it's not null - it lends weight to the idea that kantrip might be lying about pressure. the points are not forced. it's me being "analytical" -_- i acknowledged that it's a bunch of little things, and nothing overly incriminating. yeah, i'm gonna be a little hesitant about lynching a claimed watcher, so lynch me for it. as for what's the point of it? people asked me what i thought of people. that's the point.

more generally:

it's true - i've had a lot of trouble getting back into this game after the end of Day 1. i'll address the timing issue first: Day 2 started right before the ****ing long weekend and i had plans pretty much all the way until monday. monday is also when my other game (BBR - raz and RR can vouch) kinda blew up, so my mafia time was going to that. "what are the odds that he would suddenly not be caught up right after people start to pressure him?" i dunno, but who cares about odds? what kind of argument is that? fact is, that's the way it happened.

it's also true i haven't had strong scum reads throughout the game. however, i've been firm in my ryker town read since its inception. i now stand firm on saying you're town. wanna know why i don't have as strong scum reads as you were apparently expecting? raziek, nabe, jtb - absent. RR, gorf, kantrip - claims messing with my read. DH i actually pushed for pretty hard D1 iirc, which you neglected to mention, and i admit it was bad play to stop because i'm pretty sure he's scum now.

your case contains a lot of bad meta. we haven't even played that many games together, zen - what are you basing this on? i can show you games where i've been super into things as scum. i can show you games where i've been lurkish as town. statements like "town t-block gets into things" and "town t-block is more analytical" hold no water.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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So you've been reading but not taking control, while you hate me and Zen being in control because [we are both scum / we can't take control because that would go wrong / we're good players or whateve]?

Taking each other's hand is disgusting when we've given adequate reasoning?
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Xonar, hop off. Tell me why you have so much disdain for my slot, considering I've done literally NOTHING to deserve it. If its cuz I'm linked with Ruy, then k. But I don't get how you can have this scum vendetta on me for just about every game. Show me how unpretty I am, rather than just indolent. Id love to see it.
 

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Gova|Ryker
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NEITHER OF YOU HAVE ADEQUATE REASONING! I'VE MADE MY STANCE ON THAT CLEAR!

Zen playing so scatterbrained is my problem. He remains completely random, explains little, and is given FAR too much of a leash. He needs to substantiate his **** EVERYTIME, not just when it gets close to crunch time.
 

Ramen King

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Main reason? I don't think either of you are town. Neither of you have done anything to deserve it and that bothers me.

You jump around to any and everything which is absolutely horrendous for any sort of direction. You make it hard for anything you don't support to gain momentum and you pull off well before half the cast can get anything solid out of it. This leads to last minute wagon switches in which you can set yourself up to take NO blame for it and allows you to distance from potential scummates for absolutely free.

Nothing Xonar has said has made an impression on me. That's completely abnormal. He's playing second fiddle and letting himself get run over. I know he's saying things, but none of the things he's saying even matter. This might be a result of you not relinquishing your grip on the wheel and pulling U-Turns at every stop light, but even when I'm in control of the game, he still makes much more of an impact on me.

Past that, if I don't show myself as vocally opposed to your two slots and I'm not given time to gain a more substantial read, then I drop and you walk over the rest of the cast.

I would feel much more comfortable with one of you dead.
You haven't been reading the game. The only reason you don't like me is because I was calling you scum. Everything you listed about me is how I ALWAYS play as town. You know I like control just as much as you do. A wagon build up on Xonar would have been a complete waste of time seriously.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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Nabe is probably scum. He's not done anything. He showed up because he was scared, freaked out for a bit, and disappeared again. Then his role is the most anti-town thing ever. It's a roleblock that puts a night kill in the hands of whoever he wants, anonymously. It can't possibly kill him and it runs the risk of hitting Xonar's PGO type role (assuming Xonar town) and setting town back a LOT in one night seeing as I have a Vig role with multiple shots and that there are claimed Lover's in the game.
ngl I only post if I see results on a Ctrl+F of my name n_n (cool face zen)
 

Ramen King

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NEITHER OF YOU HAVE ADEQUATE REASONING! I'VE MADE MY STANCE ON THAT CLEAR!

Zen playing so scatterbrained is my problem. He remains completely random, explains little, and is given FAR too much of a leash. He needs to substantiate his **** EVERYTIME, not just when it gets close to crunch time.
This is exactly how you've been playing. I've given my reasoning this game. You voted me randomly and you wont even take the time to actually look into our posts. All your reasoning is so surface level analyzing.
 

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Gova|Ryker
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Neither of you are working with me and trying to rectify the issue I have. You're simply disagreeing with me.

Well, I know a simple solution.

Vote Nabe
 

#HBC | Gorf

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NEITHER OF YOU HAVE ADEQUATE REASONING! I'VE MADE MY STANCE ON THAT CLEAR!

Zen playing so scatterbrained is my problem. He remains completely random, explains little, and is given FAR too much of a leash. He needs to substantiate his **** EVERYTIME, not just when it gets close to crunch time.
This would be much more okay by me if you weren't consistently on the same boat.
 

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Gova|Ryker
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I'm going to pick someone up in an hour and a half. Until then, I'm leaving. I'll be V/LA this weekend because I'm going water skiing.

@Zen - Draw, partner.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Not getting Nabe. Want myself/Zen to get the gun tonight, myself if Ruy gets lynched.

Ryker is shooting who we tell him to, if he doesn't, he gets lynched. Don't get him pull a quick one tomorrow if he doesn't. Wouldn't particularily mind Zen shooting him either.
 

#HBC | Nabe

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When's deadline, what's votecount? I'll check on my phone tonight what's happening but I'm not voting Ryu right now, uninformed, when it would kill Gorf too if it's an ML. Give me some semblance of reasoning 'cause that vote from Block def. did not make your case.
 

Ramen King

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I'll have to get at your response, T-block, later.

Ruy needs to go more than anyone even if t-b is still scum.

Nabe is town. I'm town. Xonar is town. JTB is town. Kantrip is town. Ryker is strange & probably town.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Ruy (3) - gorf/zen/block

xonar what happened to your solid ryker town read
Like I said, I wouldn't mind him being dead. That for 2 reasons:
1. I don't want him to shoot me
2. He's acting anti-town as hell

Like Zen said, a loose cannon.

Zen, did you ever post them thoughts on Ryker?
 
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