Laser Tag Mini Mafia Over: Gremlins are the Champs

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

this would also force scum to try to buddy up to townies as they'd have no way to night kill with both of them being within the aforementioned circle

 

[Maven89]

Unless we're down to 3 town I don't think we should discuss it

The way i figure it is everyone should just pick a partner and then we rb in a circle. That leaves one person alone and one person unblocked.

1,2 > 3
3, 4 > 5
5,6 > 7

leaving 7 alone

??? That would leave 1,2,4,6, and 7 alone, and 7 would just not send in an action

even if mafia successfully roleblocks one of said roleblockers and manages to get a kill off by role blocking the person who tried to rb them,

Laser tag ability can't be blocked

 

[Orboknown]

Oh, I hadn't realized a successful roleblock was permanent. Huh.

Its not?....

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Also, and this is the part that might be sheisty, is we just have the tracker claim asap and leave him as the one unblocked person each night. That way we are protected from shenanigans and if a kill does go down there's a possibility of the tracker having instant proof

 

[Maven89]

Vote: Rake

 

[Maven89]

Honestly I'm not sure if that's scum Rake talking or not but I feel that's the best response to his post

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

clearly thinking that vote through i see

 

[Maven89]

Also, and this is the part that might be sheisty, is we just have the tracker claim asap and leave him as the one unblocked person each night. That way we are protected from shenanigans and if a kill does go down there's a possibility of the tracker having instant proof

why would scum not just kill the tracker if they can get a kill through?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

yes as scum i would totally suggest the tracker claim, that's how big my balls are after the better part of a year of inactivity is to suggest that the tracker insta claim. Great work maven. A+

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

why would scum not just kill the tracker if they can get a kill through?

There's also no guarantee they could get the kill though. Even if 4 people are left open that still means we've got a 25% chance to nail scum between them (there would at least have to be one scum in the unblocked pile to get a kill) over a 1/8 chance

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Not to mention scum's severe disadvantage this game lies in the fact that they literally screw themselves over rb'ing together in order to try and set up a kill. Because there's no guarentee that someone just finds you scummy and rb's you despite stating someone else

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Its not?....

Actually, can we have clarification on whether roleblock is permanent @ Jdietz43 ?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

In a perfect world, one of the scum would escapre the net the first night (we can scrap the tracker part and run with just the forefron of the plan). He gets a kill, therefore all town has to do is either get lucky with the track, or choose correctly between the 4, who would obviously be the only lynch options that day. We just let the 4 people fight it out and lynch the scummiest. Rinse and repeat the next day and town could win in two phases. Not to mention with scum being successful, d2 would actually be 7 alive with three people, we cycle the rb's over to whoever wasn't the first night, that by default might allow a kill the second night meaning d3 is like 6 alive and only like 2 or 3 would actually be up for lynch due to POE and NA's

 

[JayTheUnseen]

I'mma be honest, this theory stuff is too complex for me and I have zero idea which way is best. I'll be direct with how I feel: I don't like discussing rbs and setting up 'teams' because scum can blend into a team with another town memeber and I just don't like the sound of that.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

that leaves town with 2 chances to get it right in the end

 

[Maven89]

Hmmm. Well assuming a mislynch we'd only have 6 people coming into night 1, only 4 of those are town so unless we group them together we can't be sure of someone getting blocked at all, since if it's a town+scum who are assigned to block a person the scum could do whatever and throw the whole thing off. Plus since we can't guarantee if someone was RB'd or not I think having it set up would just result in fake clears and a lot of wifom that would confuse the game. Scum who is getting RB'd is supposed to tag his partner with a townie could just not tag his partner, have his partner send in the kill, and then we'd think these 2 players couldn't be scum because they were both blocked.

Honestly I feel this is not a system we could set up and rely on when we have have no information, it'd be way too easy for the scum to manipulate it and turn it against us. I'd rather the current thought just be people tag who they want and if the situation changes we bring it up again. But we'd have to account that 2 of the people we'd be relying on to block someone are scum and could and would easily just not follow through

Actually, can we have clarification on whether roleblock is permanent @ Jdietz43 ?

If it was permanent if both scum got blocked night 1 the game would be over because the mafia could never kill anyone, I don't believe permanent RB's are a thing.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

If it was permanent if both scum got blocked night 1 the game would be over because the mafia could never kill anyone, I don't believe permanent RB's are a thing.

Good point.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

maybe. I guess

 

[Maven89]

Good point.

What are your thoughts on all this?

 

[Maven89]

I'mma be honest, this theory stuff is too complex for me and I have zero idea which way is best. I'll be direct with how I feel: I don't like discussing rbs and setting up 'teams' because scum can blend into a team with another town memeber and I just don't like the sound of that.

Oh i missed this post, nevermind

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

i think the plan should be lynch GLG

 

[JayTheUnseen]

i think the plan should be lynch GLG

Why do you say that at this point?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Why do you say that at this point?

 

[giraffelasergun]

The way i figure it is everyone should just pick a partner and then we rb in a circle. That leaves one person alone and one person unblocked.

1,2 > 3
3, 4 > 5
5,6 > 7

leaving 7 alone

even if mafia successfully roleblocks one of said roleblockers and manages to get a kill off by role blocking the person who tried to rb them, this still means the next day would be a 50/50 between the one person who was left unblocked, and the person who was rb'd at night.

The main problem with this is that if mislynch today than either likely one of the scum won't be in the loop, or worse, one of the scum will be supposed to shoot thier scummate and then not.

 

[Jdietz43]

Actually, can we have clarification on whether roleblock is permanent @ Jdietz43 ?

Pete swivels his gaze to you and blinks a few times before responding.

"Gettin' hit with more than one laser at once disables you temporarily, that is until you can git back to your home base and refresh 'yerself! Then yer back in the fight!"

(You take that to mean Roleblocks from being hit by two or more lasers are for that night phase only, but come before Track/Kill in the night action resolution).


With 7 Players it takes 4 to lynch!

1. Orboknown
2. GiraffeLaserGun [1] - Rake
3. Maven
4. JaytheUnseen [1] - Orboknown
5. Gheb
6. SlickWylde
7. Rake [1] - Maven

Not Voting: GLG, Jay, Gheb, Slick

Deadline is Midnight CST Tuesday the 30th!

 

[giraffelasergun]

It's a real catch 22.

Because if we don't pick ahead who we're going to rb likely we won't rb anyone but if we do pick ahead who we are role blocking than scum can easily work around it.

And if we do mislynch we have to really know who the two scum are because If we don't have two town on both scum likely that scum won;t be blocked.

 

[Orboknown]

Fwiw i feel like
Theres too muchcoordination in this to ever be feasible between people just not agreeing with targeting (ie they're supposed to shoot someone they townread and ergo don't do it) or straight up just not getting it done

 

[~ Gheb ~]

if we publicly announce who is going to get blocked, then unless we somehow get both scum members in the pool we remove that benefit since they'll never pick a RB target to send in the NK.

FOS Orbo and Gheb

... I never actually suggestd to publicly announce our RB target. I even told Orbo why it's a bad idea.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also, and this is the part that might be sheisty, is we just have the tracker claim asap and leave him as the one unblocked person each night. That way we are protected from shenanigans and if a kill does go down there's a possibility of the tracker having instant proof

Even ignoring the fact that mafia can just kill him it's still ****ing dumb because they can just roleblock him.

 

[SlickWylde]

How does the process of roleblocking work? Do we type "roleblock *username" here, or is it a PM to the Mod?

With 7 players, and 2 votes needed to roleblock someone, only 3 people can be roleblocked in one night, right? And I guess lower numbers is good in one sense, because if we manage to rb both scum, no murders will happen, then we can narrow it down to those 3 people, right?

This rb thing is a completely new concept. I've played Mafia for years, but I've never played it like this, so it'll take me a while to get into the nitty gritty. Hopefully I can soon contribute to the conversation.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

In the Night Phase we tell the game mod whom we use our laser gun on. Should a player be targeted by two or more laser guns within the same Night Phase that can't use his Night action. It only really affects the Tracker and the Mafia Night kill though.

With 7 players, and 2 votes needed to roleblock someone, only 3 people can be roleblocked in one night, right? And I guess lower numbers is good in one sense, because if we manage to rb both scum, no murders will happen, then we can narrow it down to those 3 people, right?

That's not the case, unfortunately:

* Let's assume the scumteam consists of player A and player B
* During a Night Phase player A sends in a Kill
* During the same Night player A, player C [townie] and player D [also townie] get roleblocked
* Player A gets roleblocked and no kill will happen
* We can't narrow it down to A, C and D as B [or anybody else] can still be mafia at that point

All we'd learn from such a scenario would be that one of these three players is guaranteed scum. A 1:3 chance to find a mafioso isn't very exciting in a game where the mafia:town ratio is actually already close to 1:3 to begin with.

 

[SlickWylde]

In the Night Phase we tell the game mod whom we use our laser gun on. Should a player be targeted by two or more laser guns within the same Night Phase that can't use his Night action. It only really affects the Tracker and the Mafia Night kill though.



That's not the case, unfortunately:

* Let's assume the scumteam consists of player A and player B
* During a Night Phase player A sends in a Kill
* During the same Night player A, player C [townie] and player D [also townie] get roleblocked
* Player A gets roleblocked and no kill will happen
* We can't narrow it down to A, C and D as B [or anybody else] can still be mafia at that point

All we'd learn from such a scenario would be that one of these three players is guaranteed scum. A 1:3 chance to find a mafioso isn't very exciting in a game where the mafia:town ratio is actually already close to 1:3 to begin with.

Oh yeah, that makes sense. But that's still helpful I suppose in that it'll stop the mafia for one night? But not really, because all it does is waste a day. But at least we know 1 out of 3, which is not great, but still better than 1/7.

So I guess a worst case scenario is player A and B are mafia, and player C is the Tracker. If we block C D and E, we not only ensure a free kill for the mafia, but then the tracker is blocked. Seems like some people are being awfully cavalier about rbing when it sounds pretty dangerous.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

But at least we know 1 out of 3, which is not great, but still better than 1/7.

But right now it's 2/7 which is to all intents and purposes the same as 1/3 for the town to deal with.

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Vote rake

This isn't much of a serious vote, but he has been the most adamant about the 'coordinated roleblock' plan, which doesn't seem likely to work. Atm it's about all there is to vote on.

 

[Maven89]

... I never actually suggestd to publicly announce our RB target. I even told Orbo why it's a bad idea.

You were the first to bring it up with a non-decided tone and the reason you brought up wasn't even the major reason we shouldn't do it, I feel justified putting you under the FOS for that

 

[Orboknown]

One more flight to go, pseudo prod dodge.

 

[giraffelasergun]

Vote rake

This isn't much of a serious vote, but he has been the most adamant about the 'coordinated roleblock' plan, which doesn't seem likely to work. Atm it's about all there is to vote on.

Would rake still be scum if the rest of us agreed to do this?

 

[JayTheUnseen]

Good question. I suppose not, because he wouldn't stick out as much.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You were the first to bring it up with a non-decided tone

Uhm, no. I said that it's probably a good idea to discuss our usage of the laser gun together in the thread and reach a consensus on how we'll proceed from there. Nowhere did I say or even imply that we should make our targets publicly known though.

Vote Rake

 

[Jdietz43]

With 7 Players it takes 4 to lynch!

1. Orboknown
2. GiraffeLaserGun [1] - Rake
3. Maven
4. JaytheUnseen [1] - Orboknown
5. Gheb
6. SlickWylde
7. Rake [3] - Maven, Jay, Gheb

Not Voting: GLG, Slick

Deadline is Midnight CST Tuesday the 30th!