Lakerz fina take this *****!!!

[frotaz37]

I really don't see the Celtics beating the Lakers. The Lakers bench is ridiculously consistent, the length of their front line is pretty amazing, Kobe is getting over 30 points per game while shooting over 50%, and we all know how clutch Derek Fisher is in the playoffs. The Celtics have been really inconsistent in the playoffs. 7 games to take out the Hawks? A few games ago vs Detroit, their bench had 0 points with a few minutes left in the 4th quarter. The Lakers have been the better team throughout the playoffs by far....I really don't see how the Celtics can beat them 4 times.

I like Pau cause he makes me laugh. He seriously can't jump. He reminds me of Dirk...****in white guys, I swear. Everytime they dunk, I'm scared they aren't gonna get high enough. It's like come on man, you're over 7 feet tall...you can touch the ****ing rim without even jumping and I'm more scared of your dunks missing than Iverson's dunks.

 

[sadneesman]

Why is this topic even on this board?

 

[Miztik]

cuz we do what we want haha jk

but yea i agree with frotaz the celtics are very inconsitent.....they had to play into 7 game series and i pretty sure the pistons could have taken them to 7 games if there team was fully healthy....they cant win on the road they only got 2 road wins and thats cuz the piston werent play to full potential due to injuries....Celtics are a very good team....but i dont think they can live up to the western conference the west is too deep...i think anyone of the top 4 from the west would have to the title no matter what...sure the celtics had the best record in the league...but a majority of there wins came from beating up on the east...

the celtics wont be able to match the intensity/engry the lakers bench can bring...the lakers can still keep up with teams cuz of there bench which allows Kobe to rest up and take over in the forth...the celtics cant live with there big 3 on the bench...whatever lead they had is gone quickly...and teams can easily take advantage of them....

i dont think they have a serious chance.....

hey guys do you think they realized that Ray Allen was a bust??????

 

[NeighborhoodP]

you do realize that an 82-game sample size is more important than a 20-game sample size. stating absolutes like the celtics can't win on the road when they just won two games on the road and had the best road record in the NBA and the best point differential in the league in the NBA is silly.

Celtics were by far the best team in the NBA this season, so I have no idea what you are getting when you say any of the top four from the west would win the title -- that's a fallacy, the Pistons and Celtics were just as good as any team in the NBA. Furthermore, your insinuation that the Celtics beat up on the East is also incorrect because every team in the NBA plays the same 52 or so games (can't remember off my head). the celtics went 25-5 against the west. they dominated everyone.

it's different because the Lakers have been phenomenal since Pau Gasol joined the team, dominating just as much as the Celtics, actually being slightly better in point differential, so it's a very evenly matched series. The same subjective arguments you can make against the Celtics (struggled against a vastly inferior team in the Hawks, so-called road woes, etc.) can be made against the Lakers (they too have played down to their opponent -- the Spurs had very winnable games in 3 of the four games even though the Lakers are a way better team and the Spurs' second-best player was hurt,, and the Jazz hung around even as their second best player did nothing as well).

Oh yeah, and Kobe isn't nearly as good as you think. The Spurs pretty much played him perfectly; he averaged 29 shots on 24 points. Kobe shooting 50 percent from the field is irrelevant if he's not getting to the foul line or hitting threes. And the Celtics were the best defense by far in the regular season, and for much of the season were actually on a record-setting pace in terms of their defensive proficiency.

I think the Celtics will probably lose because Doc Rivers can't coach on Phil Jackson's level nand will continue to play inferior players (P.J. Brown over Leon Powe wtf? Sam Cassell is also done) for too many minutes, but home court advantage could easily make up for that. The most probable outcomes imo are the Lakers in 5 or the Celtics in 5 or 7.

 

[EdreesesPieces]

Uh, Kobe is a great leader, but cool headed? He was top 3 in technical fouls on the season (I don't remember if he had more than Rasheed), and he usually is up there, so he's not exactly cool headed, but both KG and Kobe are great leaders. Kobe has been on this particular team a lot longer than KG has been with the Celts (obviously x_x)

Why like Pau Gasol though? I mean, he's cool I guess, but there's no particular reason to like him, he's an above average Center/Forward and that's where his personality ends haha.

We'll he yells for technical fouls, but he still calms down, then drives to the basket for a layup, gets an open look for a teammate, or makes a move for a good look himself right afterwards . He tries to take control. If you watch the Atlanta series, and the Wolves' series with KG, whenever there are signs of more adversity or things are being called haywire, KG doesn't lead his team or take control on the court the way Kobe can. That's what I mean. I feel like Kobe can impose his will to take over and win a game for his team when it's needed in crunchtime, and I don't think KG has that ability.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

He tries to take control and loses his team the game often in the process.

Nevermind that very few big men do that -- it's just not how the game works. It's always easier for perimeter players to take over the game and to create shots at will. It has nothing to do with some character issue.

problem is Kobe tries so hard to be the superhero it often backfires. If he gives the Celtics a free game like he did in the Spurs series, lollerskates

 

[Miztik]

P you say the spurs handle him perfectly rite???? how so cuz if they truely handle him perfectly they would have won rite???? they pretty much only controlled him in the 1st half but i majority of those games he wasnt looking to shot in the first half, then we wanted to he started score pretty much whenever he wanted too....when the lakers need a comeback he took control of the game...if you look at the in game stats a majority of his points came in the 4th quarter....

but the celtics not only have Kobe to worry about...theres Pau, Odom, Fisher, not to mention there whole bench....

and yea they did go 25-5 vs the west and they 2-0 the lakers...but when they beat the lakers bynum was injuried and that was before the Pau Gasol trade...

i still think the celtics can live without Ray Allen...he's been garbage this postseason..

 

[NeighborhoodP]

P you say the spurs handle him perfectly rite???? how so cuz if they truely handle him perfectly they would have won rite????

Basketball's a team sport? Wtf? It's not "whoever has the best player wins."

they pretty much only controlled him in the 1st half but i majority of those games he wasnt looking to shot in the first half, then we wanted to he started score pretty much whenever he wanted too....when the lakers need a comeback he took control of the game...if you look at the in game stats a majority of his points came in the 4th quarter....

You need to learn about basketball. Basketball is a team game. Kobe can score anytime he wants to, it's only a matter of whether he wants to score on low percentage shots or on high percentage shots. But no matter what, an elite scorer is ALWAYS going to score whenever he wants. That's the way basketball is: great offense beats great defense.

The Spurs know this, so they do what they can to make Kobe an inefficient scorer. Why do you think they never fouled him? He shot 11 free throws the entire series -- 2.2 per game. He averaged 9.1 FTA in the regular season. Kobe netted 28.9 points on 20.6 shots in the regular season. He scored 29.2 points in the Spurs series but needed 24 shots to do it. The Spurs defended him phenomenally well.

The Lakers won the series because their team minus Kobe stepped up and outplayed the Spurs. In terms of how the Spurs played Kobe, that was one of the biggest things they did right in the entire series.

but the celtics not only have Kobe to worry about...theres Pau, Odom, Fisher, not to mention there whole bench....

okay

they 2-0 the lakers...but when they beat the lakers bynum was injuried and that was before the Pau Gasol trade...

^This stuff doesn't really matter at all, do you know what sample size is?

i still think the celtics can live without Ray Allen...he's been garbage this postseason..

Ray Allen plays much better in an up-tempo atmosphere. All of the teams the Celtics faced were in the lower half in terms of possessions per game , and the Cavs and Pistons especially liked to bog down the pace. The Lakers don't, though, so Ray Allen has a good chance of getting going this series. And if that happens, the Lakers are in a ton of trouble.

 

[frotaz37]

"Kobe isn't as good as you think"

Ask anyone in the NBA who the best player is, they'll all say Kobe.

Stop saying such dumb things.

No really.

Just stop.

 

[ShadowBTZO]

Kobe is overrated no doubt, I hear "oh well we have kobe, so we got this easy" which is dumb. P's right, its a team sport, no one man can carry a team to the finals, the closest I've seen is Lebron scoring 27 (?) of his teams last 29 points in the Eastern Conference finals last year, but if someone's hot and doesn't pass then well that'll happen haha. No doubt though, Kobe is the best player in the NBA although I don't think anyone in the NBA would say that, Lebron is a very close 2nd.

Why is everyone talking about the Lakers bench though? Honestly I can name every single player on that bench and the Celtics, the Lakers don't have a much better bench if better at all. Okay they averaged much more than the Celtics bench, well that's great but the Celtics and Lakers didn't play the same teams, and also it's not like the big 3 consists of soon to be retired players or anything, they can play plenty of minutes. I have no idea why Derek Fisher is being mentioned so much either, he's a clutch 3 point shooter...uh okay so is Robert Horry and I didn't hear anything about him in Spurs v Lakers. Of course he's better than Horry, but he's not someone to be feared either, Rajon Rondo sucks and I give him more credit than Fisher haha.

Kobe is gonna have some spectacular games though, he was covered by, in my opinion, the best defender in the NBA last series (Bruce Bowen) and he still managed to average around 29 points a game. I can tell you right now why the Spurs lost too, all you have to do is look at Manu Ginobili's PPG in the series (not average but points per each game) and see who won those games

EDIT: Don't hate on Ray Allen, he's one of the main reasons why the Celtics had that spectacular season. He was in a slump, but check out his last 2 games against the Pistons, he's back. If you want you can check some of the stats that I said, this was all off the top of my head so I could be wrong (doubt it tho )

 

[ProdigyKid]

Dam I want to play NBA Jam again. That game was awesome.

 

[Jem.]

Pretty sure Red Sox and Patriot fans are muchhhh worse than Lakers fans. Theyre hugggggeeee nut riders. And Kobe deserves nut riding, if he can get 3-4 more rings, he can be considered better than Michael Jordan (I'm from WA and can jock the lakers so, it isnt just CA people)

 

[frotaz37]

Pretty pointless conversation really. Kobe could prove himself more than he already has and there will still be people saying he's overrated.

You know, I'd rather be beaten by the best player in the NBA than an "overrated player". But regardless of what you call him, he's still going to lead the Lakers to a championship, so it doesn't really matter what people say about him

 

[ShadowBTZO]

if he can get 3-4 more rings, he can be considered better than Michael Jordan

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ

 

[CableCho57]

Hell Yeah Lakers All Day Three Long Years And We Are Back

 

[Jem.]

Robert Horry has more rings than MJ

Horry was coincidentially on teams that won NBA Championships for some reason. He isnt even considered good now imo. Kobe is still in his prime, and the Lakers have a team built that can challenge for a ring for a few more years. Take note that Andrew Bynum hasnt even been playing. If they had him.. Oh man.

 

[ShadowBTZO]

Horry was coincidentially on teams that won NBA Championships for some reason. He isnt even considered good now imo. Kobe is still in his prime, and the Lakers have a team built that can challenge for a ring for a few more years. Take note that Andrew Bynum hasnt even been playing. If they had him.. Oh man.

No, I was just saying that a few more rings wouldn't make Kobe better than Jordan, cuz Horry is nowhere near as good as Jordan was and Kobe is, but he has 7...its difficult to say that he was in the right place at the right time 7 times, but well he kinda was haha. I personally think Jordan was better than Kobe is now, but you can't really compare them legitimately, Jordan played in a different era than the one Kobe is in now.

Lakers are right now a contender for the championship at least for a few more years, and like you said they don't even have Bynum. Gasol has always played Center in the NBA, but if they can make it work then they will be the top team, or one of the top teams, in the NBA for a long while. Plus having Lamar Odom as a 4th option is fking stupidly good.

 

[frotaz37]

It wasn't a coincidence, he's been hitting big shots his whole career...you don't win 7 rings because of coincidence -_-;

 

[ShadowBTZO]

Well he didn't win 7 rings by averaging his less than 9 ppg and 6 rpg either though.

He's one of the most clutch players ever, so I'm not saying he was useless and it was a coincidence, but his stats are nowhere near the other ppl who have as many rings as he does, or even less.

 

[malva00]

good thing they are fining for flops next season

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8ukde193ivM

 

[LuigiTheButcher]

"Kobe isn't as good as you think"

Ask anyone in the NBA who the best player is, they'll all say Kobe.

Stop saying such dumb things.

No really.

Just stop.

Neighborhood P is throwing facts at you and you're telling him to shut up while all you do is post out biased non-sense...nothing useful to this useful thread

We get it! You like the lakers! Now give us some good reasons why you think they will win instead of bashing everyone who has something to say against the Los Angeles Kobe's!

Now seriously lets get some non biased discussion out here!

First match ups!

I think Garnett will be guarding Odom instead of Gasol, and I think Allen will be on Kobe.

Personally(And I could be very wrong but this is just my opinion) Rondo will have either a much easier time with Fisher after facing Billups or Fisher will give him the same trouble Delonte West did from the Cavs.

Garnett is a marvel! He is something completely inhuman in basketball! A tall guy with ball handling skills and a killer jump shot. Very dangerous.

Ray Allen...ok I will admit his Poat season has been garbage but his free throws you can always count on, he has a 90% ftm average in the post season and the past two games he's done great(Is it that sleeve on his arm he now wears?)

Pierce vs. Kobe

Even though I am a die hard Celt's fan there is no denying atleast from my point of view that Kobe is far better than Pierce head to head...but listening to the matchups on sportscenter they mentioned that Poerce on Kobe would be very exhausting to Kobe. Then again Lebron said himself Pierce has the greatest footwork next to Kobe!

Rondo I think can be either really good at times or really bad...depends if he gets *****y.

Kendrick Perkins is doing great off the boards and I hope that will help.

I dont really know too much on the lakers since I dont really watch them like I watch the Celtics which I have watched forever since we have had the NBA package forever(and is totally useless when basketball season isn't going on >.<) So please people give me some facts on the Lakers end for matchups.

Celtics best defensive team and has been playing nothing but great defensive teams. Honestly I think if the Celtics played Lakers right away they'd be too exhausted and would fail badly, but with some rest it could be anyone's game. One thing we can keep in mind is that Celt's beat the Lakers each time they met up but then again there was no Gasol then. One thing I think we can all agree on.

The performances on both ends in the first game should give us a heavy insight for the hold series. I for one wont miss as I took a day off from work to watch it with my bro. I ordered him a lakers conference finals shirt and myself a celts one...now I just hope I dont get stabbed at Fox sports grill

@Neigborhood P

Cassell, Brown, and Powe aren't bad...well they arne't great but they serve an important purpose. They are veteran players who are calm in stressful moments in the playoffs, Doc can count on them to keep a level head in tough situations which works about 60% of the time =/ I personally don't like to count on Cassell over Rondo then again Cassell helped Pierce to his 41 point game against Lebron.(<- If you guys don't know how I'd be happy to explain)

 

[ShadowBTZO]

Well I could tell you the matchups bench wise as well, but the Lakers bench isn't something to talk about really. They have jordan farmar, luke walton, sasha vujacic and ronny turiaf who actually get minutes. Farmar isn't a bad sub for Fisher, he's young, quick and has a developing 3, nothing to worry about though. Walton sucks at least now haha, nothing to mention there really. Vujacic is a 3 pt specialist, and is pretty consistent with them. Turiaf is pretty much just a filler as center when Gasol is tired/in foul trouble.

Well you went over kobe v pierce and fisher v rondo so that leaves kg, ray allen, kendrick perkins, lamar odom, pau gasol and vladmir radmonovic. Honestly though there is no set matchup there, because gasol on perkins is a mismatch, but so is odom on perkins. Because they are both 4's though, KG may be taking odom, which means perkins will have to play some solid D. He's a good rebounder and not a terrible defender, but they may have to double up gasol in the post should he post up. Pierce is who should be playing defense on Kobe, but Allen on Radmonovic is a pretty big mismatch, considering that Vlad has 5 inches on Allen , so I can't say how that will go yet x_x. I've never seen Lakers and Celtics though, so I can't tell you exactly who will be covering who, but yeah this seems accurate =P, the only problem I have is Allen on Radmonovic, by position that is Pierce's guy, but Pierce can play much better defense on Kobe than Allen can of course haha

Also wins during the season hardly mean anything, my Suns beat the Spurs 3-1 in the regular season =/

 

[LuigiTheButcher]

That may be true but I heard since Spurs are older guys they play decent during the season and in the playoffs bring out thier A game

Could be wrong though?

 

[EdreesesPieces]

That may be true but I heard since Spurs are older guys they play decent during the season and in the playoffs bring out thier A game

Could be wrong though?

That wouldn't make sense, because Spurs are way older than the Lakers, and they were 2-2 in the regular season but 4-1 in the playoffs. If older guys played better in the playoffs wouldn't the spurs have won the series since they were tied in the regular season?

 

[frotaz37]

If you really think "Kobe isn't as good as you think" is a fact rather than a baseless opinion, then you have no business being alive.

I'll say it again "overrated" players don't score over 30 PPG and shoot over 50%, while adding 6 RPG and 6 APG. I'm pretty sure it's time to just accept that Kobe really is as good as people say he is. Why would you argue with numbers like that?

Perkins doing great off the boards? What the hell are you on? Less than 7 a game for a 6'10" 264lb Center is not very good at all.

And since when are the Hawks a "great" defensive team? -_-

The Celtics have been having scoring trouble throughout the entire post season, they just don't get easy baskets. And it's not going to get easier vs. the Lakers, it's only going to get harder. There's really no way the Celtics can stop the Lakers from getting points in the paint/rebounds. The Lakers have a size advantage, stamina advantage, matchup advantage...

It's pretty simple. The Celtics can win, but if these playoffs have given us any hint on how these two teams are going to perform, it's going to be an uphill battle for them.

 

[HyugaRicdeau]

Basketball is pretty boring. You should all be watching the Stanley Cup Finals.

 

[EzynJAY]

lmao@ thinking lakers not a beast team

boston is a great team..in the SEASON like u said..but the playoffs is different they've gone through huge changes and they really arnt playoff tested..and it showed in atlanta and cleveland 2 terrible teams...they have trouble winning on the road...

ray allen is barely comming into his normal self...but u dont know if thats gonna stay the way it is when they play l.a. kevin garnett cant finish in the clutch if it comes down too it..the ball will be in pierce's hands guarnteed..pierce is a beast but kobes a great defender and hes gonna have his hands full...he probly get into foul trouble...

spurs have bowen..and they know exactly how to play against l.a. and we sitll destroyed without kobe going to the foul line...or hitting 3s off double teams..boston plays great defense but so does la..and were a better transition team...everyone can get down the floor even gasol...and lamar is a beast at dribling for his height...so what im trying to say is. lakers are gonna win...and i been saying it since the middle of the season way before they got gasol...if bynum wasnt hurt this would be a completly differnt conversation...

i think wel take it in 7..were pretty much evenly matched..its who wants it more...

nd p u say kobe loses it in the 4th but u know how many game winners hes hit in his career i think anyone would take a few slip ups to have him..he is by far the number one player in the game to go to in the clutch.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

If you really think "Kobe isn't as good as you think" is a fact rather than a baseless opinion, then you have no business being alive.

I'll say it again "overrated" players don't score over 30 PPG and shoot over 50%, while adding 6 RPG and 6 APG. I'm pretty sure it's time to just accept that Kobe really is as good as people say he is. Why would you argue with numbers like that?

Perkins doing great off the boards? What the hell are you on? Less than 7 a game for a 6'10" 264lb Center is not very good at all.

And since when are the Hawks a "great" defensive team? -_-

The Celtics have been having scoring trouble throughout the entire post season, they just don't get easy baskets. And it's not going to get easier vs. the Lakers, it's only going to get harder. There's really no way the Celtics can stop the Lakers from getting points in the paint/rebounds. The Lakers have a size advantage, stamina advantage, matchup advantage...

It's pretty simple. The Celtics can win, but if these playoffs have given us any hint on how these two teams are going to perform, it's going to be an uphill battle for them.

Yawn yawn yawn, keep on appealing to emotion. You don't know anything about basketball.

Kobe is considered the best player in basketball.

He's not.

Ergo, he is overrated.

Why is everyone talking about the Lakers bench though? Honestly I can name every single player on that bench and the Celtics, the Lakers don't have a much better bench if better at all. Okay they averaged much more than the Celtics bench, well that's great but the Celtics and Lakers didn't play the same teams, and also it's not like the big 3 consists of soon to be retired players or anything, they can play plenty of minutes. I have no idea why Derek Fisher is being mentioned so much either, he's a clutch 3 point shooter...uh okay so is Robert Horry and I didn't hear anything about him in Spurs v Lakers. Of course he's better than Horry, but he's not someone to be feared either, Rajon Rondo sucks and I give him more credit than Fisher haha.

The Lakers have, if not the best bench in the NBA, one of the two or three best. They have shooters -- Vujacic, Farmar. They have ball handlers -- Farmar, Walton. Turiaf is one of the better big men off the bench who brings shotblocking and rebounding. Most benches have two good players, max, you want to depend on. The Lakers have a ton of depth, though, and their rotation goes 9-deep. In the playoffs, that's usually unheard of.

This is why I hate getting into sport debates -- people don't know their stuff. It's equivalent to monkeys throwing **** at the wall and hailing whatever sticks as correct.

Stop being results-oriented. (Not talking to you BTZO lol, just in general.)

 

[LuigiTheButcher]

Hey So-Cal should come to my house to watch Game 1! Nah it would be a good idea but I have a feeling everyone would want to play smash and I'd much rather watch the game =P.

I honestly think the Hawks game was overconfidence, the Cavs game was great defense from the opposing side and LeBron constraining Pierce. The Pistons game seems very accurate of Boston coming out of its shell in the playoffs, playing against a very good defensive team next to the Celtics themselves they managed to close em out in 6 games and the point difference was pretty large at the end of most games. In my opinion the biggest problem with the Celtics is no one wants to be greedy, they want to share the ball but in the end of the game someone needs to step up in be the leader and allstar. Usuallywhen that happens good things follow. But I don't care about any hype I still wanna see the game so bad.

What makes me LOL though is Pierce is just happy to be where he is at, sometimes the camera moves over to the bench and even when they are down he's looking around the stadium and smiling and stuff. >.<

I gotta admit Pierce is a wierd guy though...I went to a Celts Lakers game in 07 and when the rest of the team was in a huddle he was walking around Staples Center and stopped to watch the cheerleaders dance...shouldn't he be planning with the rest of the team!

 

[ShadowBTZO]

The Lakers have, if not the best bench in the NBA, one of the two or three best. They have shooters -- Vujacic, Farmar. They have ball handlers -- Farmar, Walton. Turiaf is one of the better big men off the bench who brings shotblocking and rebounding. Most benches have two good players, max, you want to depend on. The Lakers have a ton of depth, though, and their rotation goes 9-deep. In the playoffs, that's usually unheard of.

This is why I hate getting into sport debates -- people don't know their stuff. It's equivalent to monkeys throwing **** at the wall and hailing whatever sticks as correct.

Stop being results-oriented. (Not talking to you BTZO lol, just in general.)

I was gonna start quoting myself, cuz I know my stuff but yeah in general i understand lol. I'm not saying the Lakers don't have a good bench, I just don't think it's really worth mentioning. I give them credit for playing 9 players in the playoffs though, the only other teams I've seen do that are the Pistons and the Spurs. 7-8 isn't uncommon though, so it's nothing too spectacular. I'm not even sure if they will be going to their bench too much though, I think the bench got so much time in last series mostly because odom and fisher were in foul trouble in the last couple games. I've seen the Celtics go to P.J. Brown, Sam Cassell, James Posey and Leon Powe in these playoffs too, so you can't count their bench out, but it's mostly a comparison of experience vs athletisism and being more fit is usually what helps when coming off the bench...yeah i know I kinda switched sides, earlier was mostly me being biased against the Lakers cuz I hate them more than I hate the Celtics lol

 

[frotaz37]

Yes, agreed. Stop basing your opinions on results because clearly results aren't the only real facts in a sports argument.

I'm gonna cheer for the Warriors in the finals, since results mean nothing, it doesn't matter that they didn't even make the playoffs.

And yes, Kobe is the best player. Honestly you just make yourself look stupid if you make a case for anyone else (except MAYBE Lebron).


The Lakers bench will get as much, if not more time in this series. Their biggest role is to perform well enough so the stars can finish out the half/end of the game strong and rested...and they've been doing a hell of a job all throughout the playoffs.

 

[NeighborhoodP]

Yes, agreed. Stop basing your opinions on results because clearly results aren't the only real facts in a sports argument.

It's so funny that you have such a pompous attitude when you're just totally lost. You're not fooling me, dude. Give up your little Mr. Tough Guy act, because it's really just not cool to be totally arrogant yet totally ignorant.

www.basketballprospectus.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/keyword/search?searchString=John_Hollinger&rT=sports

www.knickerblogger.net

Maybe you should inform yourself a bit before you continue your charade.

since results mean nothing

Yawn strawman

And yes, Kobe is the best player.

Which is why he's never been the best player in any individual season in his career, right? Kobe was just eighth in PER this season, his so-called MVP season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabermetrics

Honestly you just make yourself look stupid if you make a case for anyone else (except MAYBE Lebron).

lol

 

[frotaz37]

And your "I know everything about basketball" act isn't working either bro. I get that since I embarrassed you pretty bad in the NCB thread that you want to return the favor, but come on man, you don't know what you're talking about. It's okay to admit it.

You're not even making a counterpoint, you're just stating the opposite. I'm betting you've never even watched Kobe play. Have you seen what he does? Do you see the shots he makes? Do you see how when he drives to the lane, he collapses a teams defense more than anyone else in the league? Try watching a Laker game, maybe you'll start to see why basically everyone who knows anything about basketball considers him the best player. "He takes shots in the 4th that costs his team the game" is a pretty moot point considering his team has dominated the playoffs.

If Kobe's not the best player, then who is?

 

[araknophobik]

i lol'd when i saw adam take frotaz's "results don't mean anything" quote out of context

had i not met adam in person id of figured he was borderline autistic with all the facts he pulls out. Then i met adam in person and noticed he's just an *** with no life =/

good thing he has a good taste in music tho

 

[NeighborhoodP]

And your "I know everything about basketball" act isn't working either bro. I get that since I embarrassed you pretty bad in the NCB thread that you want to return the favor, but come on man, you don't know what you're talking about. It's okay to admit it.

You're not even making a counterpoint, you're just stating the opposite. I'm betting you've never even watched Kobe play. Have you seen what he does? Do you see the shots he makes? Do you see how when he drives to the lane, he collapses a teams defense more than anyone else in the league? Try watching a Laker game, maybe you'll start to see why basically everyone who knows anything about basketball considers him the best player. "He takes shots in the 4th that costs his team the game" is a pretty moot point considering his team has dominated the playoffs.

If Kobe's not the best player, then who is?

Take a logistics class. You're all over the place. Very inconsistent.

 

[mikeHAZE]

im believing P since he writes for espn lol

 

[frotaz37]

Again with not answering the question. But don't worry bud, I wont be too hard on you. I know it's hard to answer questions when the only answers you have are wrong.

 

[forward]

this is TrevynThOt btw



lol Kobe one MVP for a reason

LAkerz got this, celtics had trouble beating teams that wouldn't even have even made it to playoffs in the western conference. that enough right there ,sure they a good team but lakers beat the best home team at home, they beat the defending champions as well. they can beat any team anywhere where, as the boston can't even beat low ranking teams at home, boston won't beat lakers at home and lakers just gotta win one game at boston, and seeing as how they can beat any team anywhere they will get that one win. it's over man

 

[NeighborhoodP]

boston won't beat lakers at home

^ You should bet money on this

 

[TrevynThOt]

thats fine I'm pretty confident and results and evidence can back up my theory on why i believe so I'm not just ranting on on how great they are(sure i am a little just cause I'm a fan) but yeah they will not lose at home based on facts what do you have?