Joey: I get seriously mixed tells from Joey which is odd in itself, in #461 I get a town vibe because I honestly don't think he would think to say something like that as scum. If he does turn out to be scum then Nabe is definitely his scum partner, and told him to do that post. (Yeah I could have told him to do that I know, but no-one else) In #467 Joey calls July out for playing safe, but doesn't mention Nabe who has been playing very conservative this game - Note I don't care that he didn't mention Dourin because that is understandable, everyone knew he was town. In this post he also criticises July for being safe with the hammer, despite the fact that Oki was around but not hammering either. Later in #475 he drops a small town tell by asking for me to critique his play but that is fairly easy to think of and to fake as scum. Zoom forward to #486 and we see Joey talk again about July and hammering, this is after Oki has talked about not hammering herself but Joey has nothing to say on that, he appears somewhat tunnel-visioned (he is tunnelling) In this post he also talks about following IC's which is also something that not only July has done (Oki too), nor is it necessarily something scummy if you believe the ICs to be town.
I don't agree with you on 461; I think that's a very natural thing to say as scum. He even made shifty eyes, lol. I agree with you about 467, aside from a couple differences: not everyone thought Dourin was town, and Oki was not around during the hammer.
475, however, is where we'll completely agree, and that's a problem. Compare 475 to 50, a post where you cleared Dourin for saying "I don't know how to play, help us out". 475 is very similar to 50, and it dings me that you would call Dourin cleared town for something so similar. You say about 461 that Joey wouldn't have thought of it on his own; why then is Joey able to think of faking 475, while Dourin couldn't think to fake 50? I want to call this a slip, tbh, so clear it up for me.
Oki: My biggest issue with Oki is her #480. She starts with a seriously wishy-washy comment about the TGD lynch and even expends 4 lines to say this. This is followed by and AtE to Ran (Appeal to Emotion) which is kinda worthless, arguably its harmless but there's still no need for it. Its unusual that she does it at this time when I don't remember her acting like this before. This post just seems very padded out and useless, which gives the impression of scum trying hard to look as though they are contributing. Finishes of this post with a nice bout of WIFOM regarding Nabe's alignment. Actually to top it off she throws in "X1 is hiding behind his IC" Which I've yet to see any evidence for, regardless of that its the third time its been said without any backing. Other than the fluff in this post she also attacked DH in a scummy and underhand way by instead of questioning him, or just stating something, she says "DH put TGD at L-1 jus sayin" which looks like a way to spread dirt onto DH subtly
The AtE on Ran is exactly what it says, she's aggravated by Ran's play this game. She would express the same thing as either faction, and will set a game aside on occasion to rant when she's genuinely annoyed, which IMO is the case here.
The rest is fair; you gotta work with what you see. As town, she's usually suspicious of me, which I haven't seen this game.
480 isn't a game-changing post for me like it seems to be for you, though. Can you outline your thoughts on Oki aside from 480?
That is the way I think we should go toDay. While Joey has done things which are more scummy in some ways, he has also exhibited some town tells which are extremely hard to fake, and no offence meant Joey, but probably above his level.
From your own words in the case, he's exhibited one town tell that
was easy to fake, and another that wasn't. Referring to these by the language in the bolded is a bit of an exaggeration. IMO it's false, but it's your wording that's important.
I'd be fine with an Oki lynch. But I think you two are of different alignments, based on this post and on her part, her interactions with you.
