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I posted what I thought was the most blatant example but "not renouncing the past" is a theme that permeates all throughout Future Connected, even some relatively minor visual details, couple that with Takahashi's words and I really think it's something he was going for. Might write a longer post later.
I personally wouldn't count KOS-MOS as a Xenoblade rep, but I do think she would be competing with characters from that series for a spot in the Fighter Pass. imo, the only reason KOS-MOS would get in Smash is if Monolith Soft/Takahashi wanted her in.
Not just one reason. It's THE reason why there is a ton of hate towards KOS-MOS and her supporters. It all has to do with her general unfamiliarity among the smash community/speculation scene. it's very similar to the Catalina incident that happened near Ultimate's DLC. the community threw a freaking party commemorating her exclusion and finding out the fighting game she was meant to appear in turned out to be Granblue Fantasy Versus. some people call KOS-MOS irrelevant trash which is not true at all. That statement is VERY Ironic coming from the smash community (Y'all know who i'm referring to...) Her in smash also means she was the selected Namco rep which wouldn't sit well with fans who wanted a Tekken or Tales of rep in the pass. the same also applies to her chances vs. other xeno characters but something tells me the xenoblade community would be a little more understanding/happy if KOS-MOS was chosen seeing as they are from the same franchise. but yes, even in times of constant flaming about our wanted character, we march on supporting her till the end of smash's DLC. her recent rise in popularity due to those fake leaks and mysterious ultimate mod takedown have at least proven to work in her favor in terms of awareness/potential boosts in popularity for smash DLC inclusion or general support for the character. who knows? it might be enough to get her in smash 6 if she doesn't appear in the fighters pass vol. 2 though that last bit may be a bit too optimistic
Allow me to clarify on something that's very important regarding the overall reception behind KOS-MOS (outside of the support base): From what I've seen, a fair amount of Xeno fans are pretty open about her possible inclusion over anyone else they're more familiar with, and it has to do with acknowledgement of seniority. There's also the exposure they had in Xenoblade 2 with her infamously difficult-to-obtain cameo appearance, and the fairly recent rise in attention thanks to all of the bull**** leaks.
Yeah, that incident was quite sad. Personally, I'd like to see Artoria make it in with playable representation from the Fate Franchise and Type-Moon as a whole before Gran, Djeeta, or even Katalina. I'd be absolutely fine with a Granblue Fantasy rep though. I really dig their character designs, the general layout of their world, the music, and even the artwork itself. Imagine the hilarity if we got either-or after all.
Sadly, there is definitely a lot of in-fighting within the Bandai Namco support base. If we look over at Capcom's side, fans are generally excited about the prospect of most candidates possibly making it into the roster as playable fighters. Unfortunately, it's almost do-or-die over here, and given the Chrono-Trigger–like nostalgia that Tales of Symphonia receives, along with its competitor Tekken and its significance to the fighting game genre, they both often look at Xenosaga as a failure franchise and "waifu pandering", which instigates the bravado they have over a character they feel isn't or shouldn't be rooted for. Meanwhile, newer fans of Takahashi's games, namely the Xenoblade community, are far more open about the possibility. We've already established our points so going back on it is needless repitition.
That mod takedown was just a coordinated troll move that coincided with the Game Awards speculation. I'm 90% sure that person (AKA our "drunken cat leaker", if they're still here) was responsible in orchestrating (or at least partaking in) a reported takedown. The fact that Nintendo never even bothered removing the other videos of her just confirms the suspicions I had day 1, even when the modder I commissioned notified me in private. That's just the sad reality of it, so we're left in the dark like everyone else.
Well, i've had my suspicions about that mod takedown for the longest time but it still makes zero sense to me. The video itself is still down so if the person really wanted to piss KOS-MOS fans off then they absolutely failed. I mean, keeping the video down for the longest time if it really isn't Nintendo makes zero sense if the goal was to piss them off. AFAIK, she's pretty long gone from fake leaks atm. As for the other point on why didn't Nintendo take down the other videos, well... all I can say to that is i'm not entirely sure but I do remember Nintendo not bothering to copyright any other videos other than the originals. I believe this happened with the Geno takedowns also and Sans. I can't prove it obviously but Nintendo usually makes one mistake knowing they screwed up and then they dont bother again... kinda like the SNK trademark leak. I'm not sure if that's a good example but yeah. I'm not 100% convinced it was a troll strike yet but that doesn't matter anymore. Unless Takahashi specifically asks for her then I see her chances just as good as any xeno rep like Melia or Fiora but she has Namco field advantage if Lloyd is a mii costume for sure. Lloyd isn't even guaranteed either. We know tales fest got delayed to hell at this point and Tales of Arise will probably be the focus there since fans are wondering what the hell happened to news regarding that new entry. I'm not saying this eliminates Lloyd of course... I just dont see him happening right now since Heihachi was top Namco character in speculation and he became a mii costume. There's really no knowing but I think it is extremely likely for Lloyd to come back as a mii costume.
I firmly believe that if there's ONE character to break the DLC mii costume rule, it's going to be Geno. The support for that little guy is unrivaled and cannot be understated. That is, unless we get Rex as the outlier, then anything is possible. including Lloyd's costume returning and Geno getting promoted to Deluxe costume status. I want to say the Lloyd costume has a 75% of returning, but as we've already discussed, only time will tell. at this point I just want closure on whether or not Lloyd's costume is returning because it's beginning to make me nervous/excited as to who will potentially be spared or axed.
My brain says that anniversaries rarely matter. My heart says that tomorrow is KOS-MOS's day, especially if a third-party pick is in the cards.
Omg that would be so appropriate and equally unexpected! I’d love it.
I don't think it means anything since FP7 was most likely originally planned to be one of the E3 reveals before E3 got cancelled.
Its important to remember that everythings been delayed because of the virus. Sakurai himself has stated anniversaries rarely mean anything for smash character announcements and even if an anniversary reveal was planned, its unlikely to happen since corona screwed everyone's schedules. as for the next character, i'm expecting to be disappointed so I fully anticipate a pokemon character like rillaboom or urshifu just so I dont get my dreams crushed again.
"And my day is ruined.."
Look i don't longer know at this point, steve in means now characters of famous series aka the mainstream/trending are the real deal now Kos-Mos is Underated and much people don't know anything about her
I really dont like Steve and everything in Minecraft is a huge turn off for me but I just dont see how this changes things for KOS-MOS now. They aren't only going to do mainstream characters. I agree... there's still 4 slots. Let's remain calm.
One main problem dinah is the mainstream idiots from the community of fortnite,apex and overwatch, I did a thread explains what real characters are vs the ones from the mainstream media and its horrible how good characters are now views as underrated and not know.
I think Lloyd both becoming the fighter himself or coming with a Bamco/unrelated fighter as a costume are fairly likely. Only time will tell, but for now, the fact that they've slowly done returning Bamco Mii Costumes with each character does seem odd. If Lloyd comes with a completely unrelated fighter though, I could see it making a Bamco fighter less likely. Not impossible to be sure as it could just be unrelated, but less probable. Now as for what this means for KOS-MOS, well I'd say she's in the same spot, just one less possible candidate left (and I don't think Gil was seen as much of one, despite how Tower of Druaga has been around for a long, long while.)
If Lloyd comes back with an unrelated fighter, we probably are not getting a BAMCO rep.
KOS-MOS is still in a good place but Gil returning might mean no Namco rep at all but I personally dont believe that. It's going to be between Lloyd or KOS-MOS to get the spot. It could also go to something like Soulcalibur but I highly doubt it. If Travis got Mii'd I can see someone like nightmare get a mii costume. My personal hope is that after looking at Steve's moveset that they went with KOS-MOS because of her moveset potential alone. That at least gives her more of a fighting chance. I'm of course not saying that Lloyd has no potential so dont misquote me but i'm just saying Steve's moveset made me think that it's possible they want a fighter with lots of gimmicks. Who is more perfect than KOS-MOS for that? She can transform her arms to weapons and conjure weapons out of thin air and has a variety of weapons.
I think even if Lloyd's costume returns in a non Namco pack, we still could get a Namco being either our girl KOS-MOS or a Soul Calibur rep like Nightmare or Yoshimitsu. I still believe Lloyd is the most likely candidate to be the Namco rep if anyone and his costume will return with him.
Viridi was a cameo in 4 as well (the 3DS version, the Reset Bomb stage)
I think Lloyd could very well be costumed again as well, but Geno I believe is getting in no matter what. Look at
Polarthief
's piled up Geno evidence list in my signature it's insane how much Geno has going for him.
Well Lloyd can just come back in the next wave or after it. There's no more evidence for him than there is for KOS-MOS, IMO.
Interesting. I'll check out the the video later.
