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Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

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Well then we aren't at a disagreement.

@Super Fab: That's why we should wait to use removal until we have a better idea of how points are going and more matches have been spectated. We can save it until more info. might as well do so
in short: no.

in long: i'm not waiting until just before cycle ****ing 2 to actually get somewhere in my reads. i want a hard flip and i want gheb's scummy, useless ass out of the game since he's being a *****, not posting, and not leaving.
 

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This is the absolute last time I defend this. After this, my half of the slot will not be making any more posts unless questions directed towards me specifically or I discuss things in depth with Ranmaru first.

Washed Laundry saying that my mentality needs to change because of how I feel about the hotel rooms when we have SO MUCH TIME to discuss is lol worthy and honestly I could care less. I chose the room that had the least people in the night 1 phase because we had the highest chance of getting into that room if more people were to make room changes, plus the room discussion you were having with whoever it was at the time (can't remember lol) made me feel like we had to choose room 1 or 3 (note that Ranmaru said he'd go Room 1, so I kind of get a vibe that he felt the same way a little bit) in order to avoid the whole "I want these selected people in my room" thing. I chose room 3 over room 1 for the reason I've stated. Take it or leave it. I'm not saying anything else about this regardless of how I'm pushed, so do not ask. It's obnoxious at this point.

LOL @ Rake feeding Gheb a win in the most idiotic way ever assuming that it's true.

Do we know that Joker is telling the truth? Anyone have 100% proof?

If scum had the ability to communicate with one another, I kind of doubt that they would use the same color over and over in order to get a win if they knew that the person with a bye could easily watch their match.

We should still removal vote Gheb, because iIrc, he was still confused with the mechanics. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that because they didn't know that Bye's could watch their matches with move colors. I'd be pretty upset if we got a huge upper hand advantage thanks to something really stupid like a mechanic miscommunication :|

If the player is playing like a moron, then the player will have a reason to lie. I dare you to make an argument as to why Rake's play wasn't idiotic. The only reasons why a person would have to lie would be because of their idiotic play. Would they really have to lie if they just played the match with different moves? Hell no. It was terrible play by Rake (if Joker is telling the truth), and I guess if we can assume that all of scum will be playing like morons, then discussion of the match phase will really be useful. :)

Going into specific colors for matches doesn't matter because cheating can change your colors.

The scum reads in this game are annoying when it comes to our slot. Shoco, Gheb, and Rake are possibilities, but they're all way too inactive for our slot to actually pursue. Until Gheb is removed, our slot also assumes that Joker is telling the truth and that he is town. If Gheb flips scum, Rake is obviously scum, and we'd probably feel fine with tourney coping Rake since top 8 winners bottom 4 losers (all 12 will still make it in. We're still not certain about our mechanics... Really?). If Rake is removed, we have confirmed town via tourney cop in the bracket and we can easily get him to the top of winners bracket assuming that tourney cop wins his matches and gets placed in top 8. The fact that there will only be three in losers bracket makes that more possible, but the fact that he can't cheat really doesn't help him at all.

I'll let other head go into our other scum reads and such.
joey can you replace out

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Don't you feel like if he were scum and actually cared about the game he would perhaps do something to stop himself from getting removed?

I mean, unless you're tuned into the theory where I'm his mate trying to do that for him so he can maintain the persona.

Why the rush to progress your reads though? What will Gheb's flip do? It's not like we can remove anyone else, it is best to SAVE IT
 

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**** it

@any and all players feeling burnt out and not wanting to play this game: change your attitude or leave. that is all. i'm tired of dealing with players who decide to act like ***** because they just don't like this game. this je ne sais quois attitude laced with apathy and venom needs to be dropped. you signed up for the game, now play it or go. up to you.
 

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I know that me and Super Fab are town, which makes me already look at Wased/J funny. Then I get all skeptical about removing Gheb since they are pushing for that SOOO hard. I don't like that, and I would rather wait for more information to use our ONE SHOT removal
 

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Don't you feel like if he were scum and actually cared about the game he would perhaps do something to stop himself from getting removed?
idfk gheb's done stupid **** in the past. he's doing enough to avoid getting modkilled, doesn't that say anything to you?

I mean, unless you're tuned into the theory where I'm his mate trying to do that for him so he can maintain the persona.
i mean, you said it, not me.

Why the rush to progress your reads though? What will Gheb's flip do? It's not like we can remove anyone else, it is best to SAVE IT
because, while i am intrigued by the strategical advantages pjb's bringing up, i think it's better to use it on a player who's actually ****ing here. this is literally the best possible choice for a singular lynch--a player multiple people find scummy, has been completely inactive since being called out as scummy, and yet still has people defending his ass or stalling his lynch. there is plenty of ****ing **** wrong with gheb's play and i don't think he's worth keeping around any longer. if this was a harder choice, or if i wasn't so completely sold that gheb's ass needs to ****ing go, i would be more willing to wait. that is not the case here. there is a lot that hinges on gheb's flip for me and i want it, have wanted it, and have been pushing for it since match phase yesterday. haven't you stopped and thought that there's a reason why, despite all of this **** you and pjb and others continually bring up, i still am pushing for it?
 

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I know that me and Super Fab are town, which makes me already look at Wased/J funny. Then I get all skeptical about removing Gheb since they are pushing for that SOOO hard. I don't like that, and I would rather wait for more information to use our ONE SHOT removal
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ffs nabe i don't have enough lynches for all these *******.
 

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**** it

@any and all players feeling burnt out and not wanting to play this game: change your attitude or leave. that is all. i'm tired of dealing with players who decide to act like ****s because they just don't like this game. this je ne sais quois attitude laced with apathy and venom needs to be dropped. you signed up for the game, now play it or go. up to you.
i'm still fine right
 

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that was directed at the players who've come in here and at one point or another say "i don't care about this game," "this wasn't what i expected," "i don't know what to do," "this game ****ing sucks," etc.
 

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Then I get all skeptical about removing Gheb since they are pushing for that SOOO hard. I don't like that, and I would rather wait for more information to use our ONE SHOT removal

This angle again. What's wrong with PP pushing hard for Gheb?
 

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ebwop: like, the last time he came in here, he kept trying to say we were scum based on the way j and i handled the slot or some **** that was based entirely off a gutread that he never fleshed out. now he's in here saying it's skeptical for me to continue to hardpush a lynch on a slot i've made incredibly well known i don't like, have put a ton of effort into saying why it has to go, and have said multiple times what i gain out of it regardless of its flip, just because i'm not immediately going with pjb's plan because it, once again, saves gheb for now.
 

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Yes I remember that. I remember arguing with you about Soup and he came in with the "Do you think Soup and PP are scum together?" without even having the same thought himself. He didn't really care about Soup scum (I think), but just PP. He was trying to appeal to me with his weak idea.
 

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Yeah problem?

Granted, if I remember right, I said you'd be the least likely anyways or some **** like that.

Yes, I have a problem, which is why I'm addressing it and asking you to elaborate on your scum-reads. This might be ironic coming from me *cough*
 

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I know that me and Super Fab are town, which makes me already look at Wased/J funny. Then I get all skeptical about removing Gheb since they are pushing for that SOOO hard. I don't like that, and I would rather wait for more information to use our ONE SHOT removal
i mean, ****, haven't you considered i get more information out of the removal than more idle speculation that i can only at best hypothesize from? i mean, ****, there's a reason the vig is the best investigative because the only good clear is a modclear.

this is a shameless quoting to get you to come back here and continue this argument. idgaf if you scumread me but get an actual reason for it.
 

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i mean, ****, haven't you considered i get more information out of the removal than more idle speculation that i can only at best hypothesize from? i mean, ****, there's a reason the vig is the best investigative because the only good clear is a modclear.

this is a shameless quoting to get you to come back here and continue this argument. idgaf if you scumread me but get an actual reason for it.
What are you gonna do with that information though?

All we can do during cycle 1 is accumulate points, learn more information, and remove ONE person.

Does removing that ONE person help us with our other two goals for cycle one? NO. So there is NO rush to doing it.
 

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What are you gonna do with that information though?

All we can do during cycle 1 is accumulate points, learn more information, and remove ONE person.

Does removing that ONE person help us with our other two goals for cycle one? NO. So there is NO rush to doing it.
apparently the cop doesn't ****ing exist or something
 

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how is gheb worth keeping. you explain this to me and i'll back off for one more day. your argument cannot talk about the risk involved with removals in general or discuss pjb's plan. if there is one honest reason that gheb should stay, regardless of his points, then i want to hear it. if you don't have one, then back off and let us remove him.

this is a deal to you. do you accept?
 

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i'd assume scum know one another, wouldn't they? why would nabe deny them the ability to talk to one another and then put a role in the game that allows them to communicate with his partners if they don't know who they are?
i'd assume scum know one another, wouldn't they? why would nabe deny them the ability to talk to one another and then put a role in the game that allows them to communicate with his partners if they don't know who they are?
I thought the OP said scum don't know identities outside of the phone guy.

Rereading.
 

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So Kantrip doesn't intend to explain himself, nor does he talk about his PP comment/angle.
i keep hoping that the reason there's a long pause going on is because he's typing a lengthy explanation but i probably shouldn't get my hopes up and just assume that i'm making another person have another nervous breakdown (shoutouts to gheb)
 

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Well thing is he replied to your LAST post pretty quickly. It's possible that he either quick replied to that on impulse like I do (before getting to longer posts) or is only replying to things that he CAN talk about (like 'oh gheb shouldn't be removed').

Also this might get more attention on him and get him talking. Maybe.
 

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i'd assume scum know one another, wouldn't they? why would nabe deny them the ability to talk to one another and then put a role in the game that allows them to communicate with his partners if they don't know who they are?

Yeah I don't want to hear about "what if mafia don't know each other" from now on. Can you imagine the stupidity of a setup where a mafia member has to call someone and go "Are you mafia too? No? ****! *hangs up*"
 

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Don't you feel like if he were scum and actually cared about the game he would perhaps do something to stop himself from getting removed?

I mean, unless you're tuned into the theory where I'm his mate trying to do that for him so he can maintain the persona.

Why the rush to progress your reads though? What will Gheb's flip do? It's not like we can remove anyone else, it is best to SAVE IT

@Bold: No one accused you of this, but now I'm highly aware that this may be happening.
 

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Also when I randomly leave thread don't read so far into it. I don't stay around waiting for responses. I often respond then go to do something else, sometimes cycling through threads I have to check in order. I happened to come to this one first, check other things after, finish the cycle, and then leave.
 

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What are you gonna do with that information though?

All we can do during cycle 1 is accumulate points, learn more information, and remove ONE person.

Does removing that ONE person help us with our other two goals for cycle one? NO. So there is NO rush to doing it.

That's not entirely true. We get more informed choices about who to room with, who to trust with byes, who the cop should watch, who the bye choice should watch, and who we should trust to make eating decisions.
 

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Even then, I feel like roommates, byes, and eating decisions (all based on townreads) won't change too much from one flip, and that townreads are pretty solid at this point in the game. What a flip will help us with is narrowing down whose matches to watch, which we should already be spreading out. Overall the pros of saving the removal a bit longer outweigh the pros to using it, imo
 
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