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Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

#HBC | Joker

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ebwop: formatting.

essentially, my point is, let's say we confirm gheb is town but he still refuses to post here because i'm still playing this game. sure, the tourney cop will be a stump, but how useful is gheb, who has refused to post here since match phase yesterDay and has said nothing at all in his hotel room? do we really want a player like that confirmed over a player like soup, who players continue to doubt but will be relatively active if he is town and gets confirmed by the cop?

i still want to remove gheb. it's clear he's going to do the bare minimum yet won't modkill or replace himself for some reason.
Do I really want to keep gheb around if he's not talking? Sure, if he's sitting in first place and he's town, he's an asset. Yea he's not contributing as much as he could, but he's useful in that he can help us win the game in the only way that technically matters. Shoco is an equally worthless slot, and he doesn't give us a ticket to victory by being ranked high. Gheb is more useful as a tourney cop accusation. If he's scum, you'll still get what you want, which is a removed Gheb. If he's not, then we get a townie who is currently winning the tournament. That's our win con, after all.
 

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okay so before i go to uni soon here's my thoughts right now for that scumteam

Gheb's been anti-town as ****. Not just that, but I can't see any TOWN intention. There's been games I've played anti-town as town but at least you could see my intention. If he's town, he's going to be determinal to it and trainwreck it anyways (Sorry to say that Gheb; I do wish you would play and I wish less people would get discouraged); I really don't know any other nicer way to say it. Inb4 I become more of a jackass here. We need flips for info anyways. It's been a MONTH and we haven't had one death.

soup you're basically ryker level though if ryker is scum i doubt two of you as scum would do that but hey i could be wrong, that's what i said for you so you're the least likely on there

Pawn's coasting scum. His posts speak miles longer than I could ever say about him

Potas is scum I've thought this since the beginning even more than Gheb before the ISO. I'll be laughing my ass off if he somehow isn't but I even said in my reads list both in the hotel and here "scum or the most useless town I've ever read" - There's nothing about him I've been able to find that was town and I read the thread at least once.

someone said something about a Gheb/Soup argument or something like that (Or was that Gheb/Rake?) but I still think we might be dealing with bussing.

There we go. Got that out of my chest. Gheb's the best place to start since while I have a bigger read on Potas by at least a bit, Gheb gets us more info no matter what he flips.
 

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how is gheb worth keeping. you explain this to me and i'll back off for one more day. your argument cannot talk about the risk involved with removals in general or discuss pjb's plan. if there is one honest reason that gheb should stay, regardless of his points, then i want to hear it. if you don't have one, then back off and let us remove him.

this is a deal to you. do you accept?
well, kantrip?
 

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The cop can keep doing his thing regardless of flip. What really changes?
the cop can start making connections based on the flip. he can start to definitely rule out suspects with more than just hunches. a flip is modconfirmed information, something we've had an extreme lack of in this game. how is this a bad thing?
 

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Even then, I feel like roommates, byes, and eating decisions (all based on townreads) won't change too much from one flip, and that townreads are pretty solid at this point in the game. What a flip will help us with is narrowing down whose matches to watch, which we should already be spreading out. Overall the pros of saving the removal a bit longer outweigh the pros to using it, imo
how is this a bad thing

whaddafuk
 

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Do I really want to keep gheb around if he's not talking? Sure, if he's sitting in first place and he's town, he's an asset. Yea he's not contributing as much as he could, but he's useful in that he can help us win the game in the only way that technically matters. Shoco is an equally worthless slot, and he doesn't give us a ticket to victory by being ranked high. Gheb is more useful as a tourney cop accusation. If he's scum, you'll still get what you want, which is a removed Gheb. If he's not, then we get a townie who is currently winning the tournament. That's our win con, after all.
Can we talk about this in the hotel room after the match phase?
 

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Alright Kantrip, what more information do you think we're gonna get that's better than a gogdamn flip? Keep in mind how valuable a flip is, especially on a player like Gheb. What more do you think we're going to get from match phase that will help factor in it? You keep saying we need more information before we make that decision but I get the feeling that the longer I wait, the more I'm being forced to have to remove someone with their point total in mind and I am highly not appreciative of that strategy. What information is even out there that will truly and honestly help us come to a conclusion on someone better to lynch? You've never specified this, you just keep saying "more information pls"
 

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D4 works. I just fear for scenarios where the SvS match-up lies about every gogdamn thing and can get away with it as a result but I doubt it.

And yeh, you'd definitely be down there. So would PJB, so would Fab, I would actually consider putting soup lower because he has less information. Lemme think about the list order.




fair enough
We can use bye's to sort that out, ocnsidering we've got the byes lined up pretty well.

Helping PP out. Do some ****. Or replace out.
You're doing it wrong, you need to quote oxnar or seph so they see it on their main accounts.

I have something to say to you about this in the hotel room.

people should give me potential scumteams. i'm trying to see paper trails and extra comments helps this. i definitely would like updated readslists from others.
IIrc our scumpicks are kantrip/gheb with a sprinkle of rake/pawn.
 

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Kantrip/Soup TvS me thinks at this point.

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Gheb

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Shaco

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?

I don't have a fourth atm.
Rake opinion?

I think if Rake and Gheb are scum Rake would throw the match because Gheb could have an advantage in Cycle 2. iirc we don't know what two of the MAF even do.
go into this more.
Actually, hell. Make a whole post outlying all of your thoughts on everything. Set-up. mechanics, players, etc. No quotes required to make it easier.
 

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I just had a murder/suicide in my extended family.
:c

why does rake make excellent tourney cop removal? He doesn't have any points, so we don't gain anything. Only 8 people are gonna make it to bracket, and we DO NOT want to accuse somebody who isn't making it to bracket. We'd be removing scum who was already not an issue, and replacing them with town who can't help us. Or, we'd be confirming town who can't help us.
Exactly. So pick someone who is high up in seeding so if they are town we have a clear with a good seed.
Rake is better for tourney cop removal because A-we don't know how the tourney cop affects seedings if he enters the tournament and B Rake is actually kind of somewhat posting in comparison with gheb.
 

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Rake opinion?



go into this more.
Actually, hell. Make a whole post outlying all of your thoughts on everything. Set-up. mechanics, players, etc. No quotes required to make it easier.
I don't like his evasiveness, but I wanna 1v1 talk with him since I think I can read him kinda well, and I've been getting mixed tells all game.
 

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i don't like the idea of removing pawn. i'd rather use it on the stronger players, because all of us can effectively lock him out of victory through a lot of careful play. if it comes down to it, let's remove him, but i think out of the scumteam, should he actually be scum, he's the most likely to form the obvious paper trail.
I still like the idea of removing pawn, he's by and far the slot I have the largest amount of questions and problems about and with respectively. Not to mention his soup read was little more than cookie cutting Soup's play, and then just kinda leaving half an opinion washing around like it's good enough at this stage to do so.

The more pawn posts, the longer I wonder about the sanity of Dgames

Why is pawn avoiding the question.
#because
#he
#is
#scum

His entrance to the game was horrible, and basically anything posted by the xonar side has been equally awful.

as for pawn, I'm literally not even interested in pawn. He's completely lost in this game, and you guys pushing him around trying to get answers out of him isn't going to change that. I read the newbie game where he was scum, he is a lot calmer under pressure than this. The reason he's not answering you is NOT because he's scum. If he didn't have an answer for you as scum, he wouldn't hesitate to make something up for appearances. The reason he's not answering you is because he's lost. Trust me on this. You're barking up the wrong tree.
Why scumawful over townawful ? Not that i disagree, but I think you need to make the distinction between the two.

Disagree on pawn, his avoidance of the thread and of any real content reads of swamped scum, not swamped town.


"Light/Lime Green" and "Dark Green" are awful hard to mix up. It makes me nervous that he claimed the color of Bowser's shell, a convenient answer, as his move when he didn't actually use that move. I didn't like how vague he was in his other answers either, or the fact he said things like "dual colors" without telling us what they were. -Dietz
Well I thought it was a light greenish type color, so sue me lol. Also, your a ditz, dietz, orbo said to me not to name move names, you arse. I could do so now if you really needed to, but like I said in the hotel room, the name of the move literally gives you no information. Like wtf. Grow a brain. i also didn't claim what move i used, only what colors I thought I used. to me, bowser's green move looks like a light green. Gogdam

How did we not catch this **** last night?! urghh, I'm mad at myself now.
Because it's not actually telling that I can't tell colors apart, or that I caught on super slow to gheb using the same stuff on me repeatedly.

Also, this gheb/rake thing is very dumb. if you had been paying attention to the thread, you'd remember that gheb was a townrake advocate at the time of our match. he was using the same **** over and over because I think he was trying to let me win. I just derped and didn't realiize it

Which makes no sense if i'm scum with him, because guess what : SCUM DOESN'T TO OUR KNOWLEDGE KNOW WHO EACH OTHER ARE.


That would actually explain a lot, because gheb literally used the same move over and over, and it seemed really dumb to me that rake kept using **** that lost to it over and over. The only thing is, he didn't use the same thing to lose over and over. It's almost like he was still trying to win, but he was just bad at it.
I'm not good at this match thing .What can I say

For Pawn:




Also on Rake, how active was he in the room? I feel like he's not really PRESENT but noticed he did post on that one Monday. I dunno I just don't really see him really PLAYING much.
Busy IRL. Swamped with work/college bs.



Pawns 2209: cookie cutter description of soups play

People thinking I'm in a scumteam with gheb: commit seppuku pls

Rake bussing pawn's worthless ***? Would not put it past him to eliminate a worthless sucm team member
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Except as scum i try to save my mates and hate bussing.

Plz learn my scum meta before calling me scum

found i (this is directed at ruy).

anyone else find this incredibly ****ing strange?
Yes. Koopa PLZ.

When I came in to read the night's events I found that Rake claimed he used a "darkish green move" with Bowser move against Gheb's "pinkish" one, and "He won.", both of them using their mains.

He goes on to describe the later matches, but I found it weird because Dark Green strictly wins against Pink on the color chart.

Rake says next time he went counterpick and Gheb went main, and he got a "color boost", he overtly did not specify which color the boost was for. Gheb chose to use a "pinkish" move, as did Rake. They tied and went again.

Rake "chose a dual type color move thing" [sic], while Gheb went pinkish again and won. Rake refused to give move names (and I guess neither Orbo nor PJB decided it was important enough to fully harass him for the rest of the color buff/dual color specifics of what he picked though honestly I really think they should have here)



PJB then reveals that in fact he was watching their match today. Problem? Obviously Rake didn't use the Dark Green move, he used Lime Green. I guess they didn't see the huge problem with Rake lying at the time but... it is a problem. Especially when you consider A) Rake didn't know he was being watched to be fact-checked, and B) Saying Bowser has a move the color of his shell seems like a conveniently believable lie. Pair this with the fact that Gheb for some reason picked pink every time, along with Rake's intentionally vague and reluctant responses to questions about the match and it starts to look like this was a match of bull****.
OH NO I MISTOOK LIGHT GREEN FOR DARK GREEN MUST B SCUM GG> YOLOSWAG.

Dietz pls, if I was going to lie as scum, don't you think I'd have my **** straight after all times not having a plan has screwed me.

I said what colors I thought they were, so sue me. I can give you exact colors but it's already pointless but w/e/



people should give me potential scumteams. i'm trying to see paper trails and extra comments helps this. i definitely would like updated readslists from others.
Pawn, Koopa, Shoco and then idk.

I would be 100% okay with removing Potassium. It sounds like from recent discussion between WoTT and PJB that Rake and Gheb are scum too, so I would support those removals. Pawn and Koop so far have been frustratingly useless, but I'm not sure if that means they're just being town who is slowing us down or scum who is still slowing us down. I'd be okay with removing them as well, but I'd much rather go with Gheb/pot/rake first.

I guess my read list would look like this:
Scum
Pot
Gheb
Rake
#convieniantscumreads

I guess the more important aspect of it is why Rake lied. I mean, think about it. Even if Rake threw for his partner, wouldn't he be shooting himself in the foot by having to take a 1 point loss? I don't understand it at all and perhaps I could if we weren't in the situation we were in but it's just incredibly stupid and either Rake just made the dumbest play I've seen from a scum in a long time or there's something more to this.
I didn't though. I just saw that color as light green.

I'm just bad at matches and I mistook the color. Honestly i'd call it more like a light green still but w/e.



honestly i've considered the possibility of rake being a *******, the fishy part is gheb continually throwing the same move and winning with it. i can assume rake was dumb and got something wrong in his retelling to wott and pjb but i can't assume he's so dumb to literally lose to the same **** repeatedly. there's hijinks going on there.
GHEB PROBABLY WAS TRYING TO THROW THE MATCH TO ME BCUZ HE THOUGHT I WAS TOWN AT THE TIME.

By god.
 

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Well I thought it was a light greenish type color, so sue me lol. Also, your a ditz, dietz, orbo said to me not to name move names, you arse. I could do so now if you really needed to, but like I said in the hotel room, the name of the move literally gives you no information. Like wtf. Grow a brain. i also didn't claim what move i used, only what colors I thought I used. to me, bowser's green move looks like a light green. Gogdam
No I ****ing didn't.I can't help you being color blind, but I want you to rip out real quick the color wheel colors starting at the top and going clockwise to see what you think they are.


Except as scum i try to save my mates and hate bussing.

Plz learn my scum meta before calling me scum
You can call it extreme distancing then, because you're barely pushing for it.

Pawn, Koopa, Shoco and then idk.

hwy koopz?

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also gheb is replacing out or seeking modkill. good riddance. whomever his replacement is, should one be found, you have a giant gaping hole to fill and i am giving you barely any benefit of the doubt given the scummy-as-hell actions of your predecessor. fair warning.
 

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but none of that happened until after i returned and their match was either done or nearing completion about when i came back. that doesn't make sense.
IIRC Gheb was ******** earlier about now knowing wtf to do with the game,

ebwop: and how would rake, who isn't in a hotel room with gheb and hasn't been at all, know that?
That's why I'm asking him.
 

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nothing about that claim makes sense in the slightest

now i want to remove gheb all the more but then kantplay and ****ing pjb will just show up and say "but he'll just get modkilled or replaced may as well just cop him cause he has six points and is in first now when he may very well not have that by the end of the cycle and we have to be safe and sure and play like ******* and radaradarada" despite the fact that seeing gheb's flip says a lot about rake in general.
 

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nothing about that claim makes sense in the slightest

now i want to remove gheb all the more but then kantplay and ****ing pjb will just show up and say "but he'll just get modkilled or replaced may as well just cop him cause he has six points and is in first now when he may very well not have that by the end of the cycle and we have to be safe and sure and play like *****es and radaradarada" despite the fact that seeing gheb's flip says a lot about rake in general.
**** that ****, you me fab and glg is already putting him at L3, plus koops, maybe ryu, and I can swing rake to it If necessary.
 
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