Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[giraffelasergun]

also oh the thread is back i didn't even notice

what have i missed

i'll read tomorrow i replaced in another game just earlier

We're considering a mass character claim, how do you feel about it?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

We're considering a mass character claim, how do you feel about it?

As in what characters we've used in our matches?

I'm okay with that.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

one other note: we damn well aren't claiming spontaneously. there will be a list that we go down and i refuse to claim until other people (gheb/shoco/pawn/rake come to mind immediately).

I'd prefer to be down towards the end of the list too.What do you say, D4 we do it? Morning phase? This way we have another couple nights and a match phase to gain more info with.

@wott: on a scale of 1-10 how much would anyone sensibly bus someone in this game? enough to say that they should be removed?

Depends on the situation. In Rakes case, with how he's been handling the game and getting pressured, I'd rate it slightly higher then for someone like myself or Soup.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

@Mod: How long until Gheb is modkilled? You said lunch phase/match phase of the next day? Does posting in the hotel rooms count as activity?

I haven't announced anything about a Gheb modkill. Gheb hasn't yet failed to take part in any required game events. He has been prodded once, by request.

 

[Picture Perfect]

When I came in to read the night's events I found that Rake claimed he used a "darkish green move" with Bowser move against Gheb's "pinkish" one, and "He won.", both of them using their mains.

He goes on to describe the later matches, but I found it weird because Dark Green strictly wins against Pink on the color chart.

Rake says next time he went counterpick and Gheb went main, and he got a "color boost", he overtly did not specify which color the boost was for. Gheb chose to use a "pinkish" move, as did Rake. They tied and went again.

Rake "chose a dual type color move thing" [sic], while Gheb went pinkish again and won. Rake refused to give move names (and I guess neither Orbo nor PJB decided it was important enough to fully harass him for the rest of the color buff/dual color specifics of what he picked though honestly I really think they should have here)



PJB then reveals that in fact he was watching their match today. Problem? Obviously Rake didn't use the Dark Green move, he used Lime Green. I guess they didn't see the huge problem with Rake lying at the time but... it is a problem. Especially when you consider A) Rake didn't know he was being watched to be fact-checked, and B) Saying Bowser has a move the color of his shell seems like a conveniently believable lie. Pair this with the fact that Gheb for some reason picked pink every time, along with Rake's intentionally vague and reluctant responses to questions about the match and it starts to look like this was a match of bull****.

and now you know why i was calling attention to match phase. collusion seems highly likely and--guess what joey--someone apparently had a reason to lie. now we have some actual ****ing traction.

 

[Picture Perfect]

I haven't announced anything about a Gheb modkill. Gheb hasn't yet failed to take part in any required game events. He has been prodded once, by request.

so he can't be modkilled as long as he does everything else but ignores the thread. okay.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Paranoia is what I'd call it until, unless you have a reason about it.

considering that i know at least one scum moved last night, i'm highly skeptical why you moved with ruy when you said that we were incredibly townie and you had every option to stay in the room with us cause none of us could kick you out and we weren't moving.

 

[Picture Perfect]

I'd prefer to be down towards the end of the list too.What do you say, D4 we do it? Morning phase? This way we have another couple nights and a match phase to gain more info with.

D4 works. I just fear for scenarios where the SvS match-up lies about every gogdamn thing and can get away with it as a result but I doubt it.

And yeh, you'd definitely be down there. So would PJB, so would Fab, I would actually consider putting soup lower because he has less information. Lemme think about the list order.

Depends on the situation. In Rakes case, with how he's been handling the game and getting pressured, I'd rate it slightly higher then for someone like myself or Soup.

fair enough

 

[Thirdkoopa]

considering that i know at least one scum moved last night

How do you know this? How certain would you say on this?

i'm highly skeptical why you moved with ruy when you said that we were incredibly townie and you had every option to stay in the room with us cause none of us could kick you out and we weren't moving.

because he's my friend as well. Nothing really that heavily game related. I guess I could have stayed as well, because I was working with you rather well. I just wasn't sure whether anybody cared if I left or not so I kinda did it without consent.

i haven't even got our room PM

 

[Picture Perfect]

just four people stayed put. unless our slot, gheb, pawn, and shoco are scum, at least one scum moved.

and alright, i can accept that i guess

 

[Thirdkoopa]

yeah, sorry for leaving but if you want to ask me anything from our hotel room before, you can bring it here and I'll gladly oblige like I did with reads lists.

What's going on now?

 

[Picture Perfect]

matches mostly

i still don't even know which matches are being played

 

[Picture Perfect]

since it seems that gheb won't be modkilled due to him being allowed to participate in every part of the game except the thread, we are removing him tomorrow, no exceptions.

i don't care if you think it's risky, that slot has to go. i don't care if you think someone else is scummier because you haven't made that impression to me unless it's shoco and there's so little on shoco to get a solid enough bead on him along with the fact that everyone, even plausible scummates, have found him scummy. i don't care if you think someone else may be suspicious later because there's going to be 3 scum left regardless if gheb does in fact flip scum. i don't care if you think he might flip town because even if he does i still have ideas of where to go.

that slot is going tomorrow and we are not leaving morning phase until it is removed, come hell or high water. cancerous slots to the game like that one are going to be useless to town and detrimental the later the game moves. he also is fairly to incredibly scummy depending on the player and i don't see how he is town if he is playing like this. if you think he shouldn't be removed or that someone else is more deserving, speak up. i want to hear it. i'm not completely ignoring every counterargument, just every counterargument has either been ******** about the risk that was inherently involved from the start that i don't care about or has basically said "i just don't agree with gheb." if you want someone else removed, put the damn work in and show me why.

 

[Picture Perfect]

also soup being moderately present and trying to help in the thread leaves me feeling much better about that slot while kantrip refuses to do anything of value at all. kantrip lost his composure and has all but exited the thread while soup continues to at least try to work with us despite his burnout. say what you will about soup's tendencies to ate but if you want to look at emotional players for their emotions, look at how kantrip and gheb have handled being pressured compared to soup.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Don't give me that **** after posting **** like this. You disagree with me, fine. I ask you why, you say "I want to see what you do when left to your own devices". Not fine. I just told you that I'll do nigh anything, as I don't see anything productive to do.

y'know it's highly insulting to ***** at me for **** like this only for you to vanish. i'm quoting this so you get alerted that this game does, in fact, still exist.

 

[Super Fabulous]

I'll just snip to this since I don't wanna requote all of that.

Your slot has issues and a lot of inconsistencies because your heads are disagreeing and it is 100% affecting my read on you guys. One of you or Joey does something and the other disagrees with it and while I want to say "oh well that's Joey" or "that's Ran", I have to hold you two as one slot. I know you two are disagreeing on things but please get on the same page. It's tremendously helpful to everyone playing if you can do that as I'm tired of seeing your slot disagree on even its course of action and then turn into a mess.

Ok, understood. We'll talk about that. I always take a 'go with the flow' approach with hydraing so I'll think about something to make us be closer to the same page.

to which 'gogdammit' soup post are you referring because i tend to say that about soup a lot

This one right here:

And then Soup's two most recent posts sound 100% like a frustrated townie who put himself into a bad spot early. Gogdammit Soup.

 

[Super Fabulous]

also soup being moderately present and trying to help in the thread leaves me feeling much better about that slot while kantrip refuses to do anything of value at all. kantrip lost his composure and has all but exited the thread while soup continues to at least try to work with us despite his burnout. say what you will about soup's tendencies to ate but if you want to look at emotional players for their emotions, look at how kantrip and gheb have handled being pressured compared to soup.

Well, soup only got back in because of the extra alerts he was getting. Otherwise he was still cruising. To me it just seemed he started back AFTER we poked him a bit. I'll still wait on how he does after some time. But I agree on Kantrip and Gheb.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

My thoughts, remove Gheb. I will join people together and form a stonewall on the bye tomarrow if people try and stop it.

I think Koopa moving is more of a, "we talk on Skype something, not about the game mind you, but Ruy is silly" that was my take on it.

I wanna hear more about what Soup did to 180 a scum read from PP.

 

[Super Fabulous]

I'm down for this as well. I also agree with PP that if anyone disagrees, that they should step up and say why, and give a stronger alternative.

If people are indifferent, they should just come on anyways because then we wouldn't get **** done if people just say "I don't want Gheb but I don't know who we should remove anyways"

 

[Super Fabulous]

Don't give me that **** after posting **** like this. You disagree with me, fine. I ask you why, you say "I want to see what you do when left to your own devices". Not fine. I just told you that I'll do nigh anything, as I don't see anything productive to do.

Helping PP out. Do some ****. Or replace out.

 

[Picture Perfect]

plausible scumteam i'm working with at the moment: gheb/pawn/rake/kantrip

potato's disappeared and done little. his reactions after getting pressured are much akin to soup's but, again, soup has tried to be helpful even if he has been brutally honest about not caring much. a paper trail would be helpful in analysis of soup's suggestions as it puts more color on his strategy commentary but right now, of the two, kantrip is far more scummier and has done far less. also notable is that gheb has routinely had kantrip on his scumlist but frequently said that kantrip was the least scummy of the people on the list and that he wasn't as bad as slots like shoco and i. also both of them started buddying hardcore late in d1 due to the mutual distaste for me. i might be wrong here but i don't know who else to fit in this slot.

pawn's only there by poe and i honestly think that if gheb/rake are indeed scum he's probably the slot i'm most likely wrong about. it's possible that a slot gheb/rake have barely mentioned fit here but i need to go back and look at rake's posts to get a good cross reference. gheb's barely mentioned pawn but rake has that slot as his removal choice and that strikes me as odd in a game where bussing is a terrible idea.

i doubt shoco fits onto the team like this, he's just hilariously antagonistic and highly inactive all around. if we're wrong about gheb/rake, cop should look here as a fallback.

 

[Super Fabulous]

I wanna hear more about what Soup did to 180 a scum read from PP.

Still interested in this

 

[Picture Perfect]

I wanna hear more about what Soup did to 180 a scum read from PP.

little things mostly, some stemmed from his ate and the fact that once he calmed down he started being more helpful. it might've been that he got what he wanted--us to at least trust him--and i still have my doubts for that slot, but overall, he's not someone i'm overly worried about. if he is scum, i'll catch him through someone else.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Should we consider the cop's target as a secondary lynch, since it can only be used at the end of a cycle? (I think that's the case)

 

[Picture Perfect]

like, it's hard for me to fully put it into words. that "gogdammit soup" post that fab posted up the page is about when it happened because the way soup was ******** sounded a hell of a lot more like a townie panicking like i've seen plenty of newbies do. i could be wrong on this, since at the time i didn't know he had used ate before to get an advantage but overall, i think less of it than you guys do.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Should we consider the cop's target as a secondary lynch, since it can only be used at the end of a cycle? (I think that's the case)

yes, providing we're right.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Well, soup only got back in because of the extra alerts he was getting. Otherwise he was still cruising. To me it just seemed he started back AFTER we poked him a bit. I'll still wait on how he does after some time. But I agree on Kantrip and Gheb.

so did kantrip, look at the difference between the two of them. soup stuck around to try to give us insight, kantrip just peaced out practically as soon as he got here.

 

[Picture Perfect]

This one right here:

just explained it lopl. that was the point where i started to reconsider my soup scumread and opened up to him a bit more to see if i'd get anything out of it

 

[Picture Perfect]

plausible scumteam i'm working with at the moment: gheb/pawn/rake/kantrip

potato's disappeared and done little. his reactions after getting pressured are much akin to soup's but, again, soup has tried to be helpful even if he has been brutally honest about not caring much. a paper trail would be helpful in analysis of soup's suggestions as it puts more color on his strategy commentary but right now, of the two, kantrip is far more scummier and has done far less. also notable is that gheb has routinely had kantrip on his scumlist but frequently said that kantrip was the least scummy of the people on the list and that he wasn't as bad as slots like shoco and i. also both of them started buddying hardcore late in d1 due to the mutual distaste for me. i might be wrong here but i don't know who else to fit in this slot.

pawn's only there by poe and i honestly think that if gheb/rake are indeed scum he's probably the slot i'm most likely wrong about. it's possible that a slot gheb/rake have barely mentioned fit here but i need to go back and look at rake's posts to get a good cross reference. gheb's barely mentioned pawn but rake has that slot as his removal choice and that strikes me as odd in a game where bussing is a terrible idea.

i doubt shoco fits onto the team like this, he's just hilariously antagonistic and highly inactive all around. if we're wrong about gheb/rake, cop should look here as a fallback.

thinking about this, i don't know how i feel about the scumteam now with pawn/kantrip both on it. i don't see why kantrip would make somewhat of a deal out of him losing so hard against pawn in thread if both of them were scum together.

 

[Picture Perfect]

people should give me potential scumteams. i'm trying to see paper trails and extra comments helps this. i definitely would like updated readslists from others.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Soup is fine because I don't see the need for a maf member to preen at pretending to look all townie, when they have a easy advantage to winning matches with their cheating thing, I don't think soup as Maf would be so self-conscious to not just play normally, the assertion that he's maliciously trying to appear townie doesn't appeal to me, nor make me re-think him yet. Call it rushed or w/e but it's just the feel i got from my interaction with him.

Joker/WATT: What did you think of soup's responses to me ?

Since you think Rake is scum, what do you think of his "soup is fine" paragraph here?

 

[Super Fabulous]

I laughed at this.

Doubting read because of it, though. Blowing his scum play out of proportions like this doesn't make sense in his position as scum. Lashing out, yes. The ego? Not as much.

I just want to note that near the same time you (PP) re-evaluated Soup, so did Kantrip here, but for a different reason. I find it a bit odd for it to happen at the same time, and for a weak reason too.

PP, do you think the reasoning Kantrip used holds any ground? Just wondering.

 

[Picture Perfect]

wow that's 54 pages ago

i'm not sure. i've barely played with rake so i don't have a good handle on how likely rake is both to bus his mates as well as to tell the truth as a scummer. i can both see that as rake telling the truth and trying to gain an ally as well as rake potentially covering for a mate. i also don't know if rake would stick his neck out like that for a mate when town's in a very volatile state. metadata would help a lot and i severely lack that.

 

[Super Fabulous]

Sorry those were just things I noticed while looking for your post hahaha. I'm actually going to re-read a bit. :D

 

[Picture Perfect]

I just want to note that near the same time you (PP) re-evaluated Soup, so did Kantrip here, but for a different reason. I find it a bit odd for it to happen at the same time, and for a weak reason too.

PP, do you think the reasoning Kantrip used holds any ground? Just wondering.

i take it you're rereading or isoing for soup. can you tell me how he fits on a potential scumteam with gheb/rake?

i don't think much of it. it was clear that pressure was waning and that soup's actions generated mixed reactions. it's taking a similar angle to what rake was getting at earlier, interestingly enough.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Sorry those were just things I noticed while looking for your post hahaha. I'm actually going to re-read a bit. :D

ebwop: welp

 

[Super Fabulous]

On top of my head, the only thing I can see is an opportunity for hypothetic scum to change an opinion on scum who is getting alot of thread pressure. I mean that's the only reason I brought up the Kantrip thing. It could go either way but since it was after something I felt was forced (the soup thing), I asked you to get other opinions.

I think there is more of a chance Kantrip is scum than Pawn. So I can still see him with Gheb.

...
Wait. I got confused. You're asking about Soup with Gheb/Rake. I'll get back to you on that after I finish my re-read to get a better idea. But I'm wondering why you don't think Kantrip fits with them because of his match with Pawn.

 

[Picture Perfect]

they made somewhat of a deal out of it in thread though i think that might be attributable to soup digging at it.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Won my match with Koops. I have a ton more I want to say but I'm occupied with other things. I promise once I'm done with what I'm doing i'll get to it.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

So that puts Soup at 6 points, meaning he's tied for the lead with Gheb. Unless there's anyone else who won their match the last 2 phases, that means soup will be sitting solidly in the lead once Gheb is removed.