Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Thirdkoopa]

I'm done with Page 32. Just a few more pages to go and I'll post up a reads list so I have a full fledged opinion on everyone

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Null: Koops (btw he's my fave char in Paper Mario: TTYD)

So this has no relevancy on the game but <3 I love you guys more already.

I forget if I have you guys on skype still; I got kicked out of the skype group. I'm curious if that's still going. Benchmark, Page 36.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The first line is the only benefit I can see from asking people where their room went to eat (full of WIFOM as it may be it's still information we could look at). But the thing is we gain the full benefit of that information if we want it by outing it cycle 6 , the last day to vote for our removal and the cycle at the end of which the tourney cop decides on another removal choice (cycle 5 if we want more time to debate). Any time before that and it's just giving away any of our non-randomness in lunch choices, either by human nature or actual game-plan, to the mafia for small to no immediate benefit.


@Underlined: I'm curious, why do you care where solo people went to eat? They'll either be poisoned or they won't be and it's all up to them, and that will be obvious information when they're either sick or they aren't, after that it's meaningless unless you're trying to read the data for an ulterior motive.

Solo people don't have accountability if they don't go with a room as a group.

Keeping tracker where they go and inadvertently trying to make them having something they can be tracked back to. People room jumping makes this harder to pin down who is more or less likely to be the poisoner.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Hey PP, how does Shoco really fair up with his ****ty catch-up? I really don't think it was really grimy how they tried to pin WATT as scum off really really ****ty reasons.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Alright, here we go...

I see this mentioned a ton and I've played Mafia for quote some time now on and off. Unless people give me reasons (Setup reasons or a GOOD argument) I don't think we'd be dealing with SvsS (Scum vs Scum) this early in the game. I've seen it happen before several times, but honestly, I see TvsT, town defendind scum, and scum defending town far more often. Heck, I see TvsS more often. That's not just due to numbers, either. I know this sounds like parroting (and a lot of what I say will) but getting teammates more attention is something they generally don't want to do, bussing exists

Or maybe I'm tired and keep reading SvsS as TvS or something. **** it.

Second off, lot's of hydra's. I don't even know who the hell is posting at parts. This makes things confusing since I might keep thinking they're one person. Interesting to note that in all technicalities, we have 17 people playing.

Anyways,

1. Wots All This Then? (Orboknown/JDietz43)
2. pawndidater2
3. Ryker
4. PrivateJoker-Brown
5. Shocodoro Blagshidect (Sephiroths Masamune/Xonar)
7. Red Ruy
8. Gheb_01
9. Picture Perfect (J/WashedLaundry)
10. soup
11. Potassium
12. Super Fabulous (-Masquerain/Ranmaru)
13. Anomandaris_Rake

Picture Perfect I have a town read on, or at least, wouldn't be willing to lynch in any way yet.
Super Fabulous is pretty close, but I'd wait for at least a flip before I solidfy myself on that.
Wots is giving me town vibes, or at least, vibes to not care about much

Potassium is Kantrip right? If so, I've been pretty suspicious of him.
Soup doesn't give me anything good so far.
Gheb... I'd just be parroting PP, but I basically agree with that. If there's anyone I'd be willing to off right now it's him due to WIFOM.

ryker i've got nothing guy posts less than me and he's getting a replacement I MISS YOU RYKER
Red Ryu I don't have anything against. Somewhere when he started posting someone said he's pushing too hard. I've never played with the guy as him being scum, then again, I've never played with most of you. Regardless, that's something to note.

Do Pawn and Rake even post?

I don't have any bad feelings about PjB but I haven't seen him do anything noteworthy (hey that can be noted against me too)

Finally we've got Shocodoro... I've got nothing; I tried looking back at posts. It's something to look into at least, because on most reads lists I see him nulled.

Unsure how to do ISO's here.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Solo people don't have accountability if they don't go with a room as a group.

Keeping tracker where they go and inadvertently trying to make them having something they can be tracked back to. People room jumping makes this harder to pin down who is more or less likely to be the poisoner.

what poisoner what

what

what

WHAT IS THAT ROLE DOING HERE

 

[Thirdkoopa]

At this point, discuss. Everyone's matches should be complete except for Soup's(because ryker is his opponent)
Actually, is your match complete?

Nope, we're in a best 2 of 3 right now for the final round or something.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Gheb. What's your read on: Soup, Kantrip, Gheb, Rake, me.

i don't like soup
i definitely don't like gheb and gheb is useless
i don't like kantrip
you're cool so far; i haven't seen too much substantial, but you're at least trying to help and there isn't anything anti-town to note
lol rake what?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

what poisoner what

what

what

WHAT IS THAT ROLE DOING HERE

Poisoner is a mafia role that tries to hit a restaurant that people are eating at and if they hit a restaurant which is being eaten at those people cannot participate in match phase during that day. No deaths though.

Nope, we're in a best 2 of 3 right now for the final round or something.

So you're in the final round and it isn't finished yet?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Looking back at something. Nabe if you close the thread before I finish this go **** yourself.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

also yes ttk potassium is Kantrip.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

oh okay poison is different

also yes ttk potassium is Kantrip.

then yeah scum rea

 

[Wots All This Then?]

we tied so we choose another move and i chose poorly.

I got a color buff in round 2 , after i chose my move there was a tie. I'm inclined to believe gheb didn't cheat, as he said he wouldn't , but i haven't analyzed colors or w/e. I suppose thats how you tell ? Nabe didnt say anything during, so i think we be good.

Okay so this is Rake's reported match result with Gheb. He got a color buff, and there's no reason Rake wouldn't have used that move with the color buff because it gives him the best chance of winning which he's already professed is his goal in the matches. Because rake go a color buff, there's no chance gheb also got one because he'd either have outright won(being mafia and using a banned move/cheating would have given him the win, and if he hadn't cheated he would have lost) because he used his main and so likely only had one color to his move. Now with Rake using a move that had two colors to it, there's no way he could have tied Gheb with Gheb using his main because a tie would have required both of them using the exact same color.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

PP look at 1573 for me and make sure I'm not going crazy/missing something obvious.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

The other thing I just got was what I think is a scumslip from kantrip. Earlier today I asked nabe what happens with the brackets specifically with removal/tourney cop choice.

Mod-If removal is successfully used on a mafia but the tourney cop does not make a correct public guess, does he still join the tournament?
What happens bracketwise to the tourney if both the tourney cops guess and removal are correctly used on a mafiat?

I got as a response

Nothing will change from what's stipulated in the rules, but mitigating conditions may be added at my great mustachioed whim.

Rules didn't stipulate on this situation, only that there would be changes. But when Kantrip "asks" Nabe in private. he gets a specific answer that could easily have been given in public.

You have all these numbers wrong. Reread the OP. The bracket is 8-man winners with 3 people starting in losers. No byes in winners. I asked the MOD in a PM and was told that any changes to the numbers (modkills, removal, etc) will come out of the loser's bracket and the winner's bracket will always be 8-man.

There's no reason for Nabe to not give the same answer that Kantrip supposedly got in private to me in the public realm. Makes me think that Kantrip has extra knowledge that we don't.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Match Phase will last another 24 hours. Sorry/you're welcome.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Match Phase will last another 24 hours. Sorry/you're welcome.

T'anks mod!

 

[Picture Perfect]

Hey PP, how does Shoco really fair up with his ****ty catch-up? I really don't think it was really grimy how they tried to pin WATT as scum off really really ****ty reasons.

Seph's part doesn't bother me and Ramses' part is just full ******. I don't find it particularly scummy, just completely ********. I feel trolled, which tells me Ramses either doesn't care about this game or is at the very least bored with it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

random gheb post for Alert purposes

Should get in here and respond to PP's post since we have more time now.

 

[Picture Perfect]

So you're in the final round and it isn't finished yet?

Confirming.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Okay so this is Rake's reported match result with Gheb. He got a color buff, and there's no reason Rake wouldn't have used that move with the color buff because it gives him the best chance of winning which he's already professed is his goal in the matches. Because rake go a color buff, there's no chance gheb also got one because he'd either have outright won(being mafia and using a banned move/cheating would have given him the win, and if he hadn't cheated he would have lost) because he used his main and so likely only had one color to his move. Now with Rake using a move that had two colors to it, there's no way he could have tied Gheb with Gheb using his main because a tie would have required both of them using the exact same color.

It's entirely possible because it happened to me as well. Pick the one color that beats one of your colors but loses to the other and it results in a draw.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Confirming.

Coo.
1573/1575 please.

 

[Picture Perfect]

The other thing I just got was what I think is a scumslip from kantrip. Earlier today I asked nabe what happens with the brackets specifically with removal/tourney cop choice.

I got as a response





Rules didn't stipulate on this situation, only that there would be changes. But when Kantrip "asks" Nabe in private. he gets a specific answer that could easily have been given in public.


There's no reason for Nabe to not give the same answer that Kantrip supposedly got in private to me in the public realm. Makes me think that Kantrip has extra knowledge that we don't.

Interesting.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

NInja'd.

It's entirely possible because it happened to me as well. Pick the one color that beats one of your colors but loses to the other and it results in a draw.

Really?because our color buff gave us two that were right next to each other on the wheel iirc.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yea our two colors were next to each other when we got buffed :/

 

[Picture Perfect]

Rake, what were the two colors you received and what colors did you know of Gheb's character? Please do not actually state them.

(I can confirm Koops didn't cheat in my instance

 

[Picture Perfect]

NInja'd.

Really?because our color buff gave us two that were right next to each other on the wheel iirc.

So were ours. In our instance, Koops had the one that came exactly in the middle of them (he used it beforehand so I know it wasn't him cheating).

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Rake, what were the two colors you received and what colors did you know of Gheb's character? Please do not actually state them.

(I can confirm Koops didn't cheat in my instance

would it be easier for ihm to tell me and PJB over the hotel room?

So were ours. In our instance, Koops had the one that came exactly in the middle of them (he used it beforehand so I know it wasn't him cheating).

But the way it works is that the colors go counterclockwise and beat the four in that direction but lose to the other 4 colors in the direction clockwise. Is it something like Orange losing to light blue but beating dark blue(random example)

 

[Picture Perfect]

would it be easier for ihm to tell me and PJB over the hotel room?

Yes.

But the way it works is that the colors go counterclockwise and beat the four in that direction but lose to the other 4 colors in the direction clockwise. Is it something like Orange losing to light blue but beating dark blue(random example)

Yes, actually.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yes.


Yes, actually.

Alright. Rake, We'll be discussing this over night phase.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Can you say what was interesting about the Kantrip bit?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Mod-does using removal before a bye is selected give us that perosn's flip immediately or at the end of the phase?

Immediately.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Thanks again Nabe.

 

[Picture Perfect]

I can't say for sure much about it--it's based on hearsay on my own part--but I am interested in why there is a difference. I want to hear his response before reaching a judgment.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What do people think about dumping all our Obvtown reads into one hotel room on Morning six/morning five?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I can't say for sure much about it--it's based on hearsay on my own part--but I am interested in why there is a difference. I want to hear his response before reaching a judgment.

Understandable I suppose.

 

[Picture Perfect]

What do people think about dumping all our Obvtown reads into one hotel room on Morning six/morning five?

Wouldn't be a bad plan, I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUyyHYkBHk]Also I beat Koops[/url].

 

[Picture Perfect]

gogdangit faceboards

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Someone else needs to talk. I feel like we're going in circles with me and PP.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

i don't like soup
i definitely don't like gheb and gheb is useless
i don't like kantrip

Why on all three.
More specifically Kantrip and soup. You think they can be scum together or are they seperate?