Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

wtf is this smashboards console doing.

Hi people. Post incoming, soonish.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

About time.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

I was sick. Get off my back lol.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I know you were sick. That doesn't excuse you for not posting when you weren't sick

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Rake, stop delaying your catch-up post and actually post something. I don't even care if you post a catch-up post, what I moreso want from you is actual content and not these fluffy one-liners you keep coming in with and I want substantiated reads. None of your posts have actually been you explaining who you think is scum this game and have been either retaliation or you just chiming in every now and then.
W.r.t. matches, finish them, now. We need that information and people just delaying them or not even saying whether they are finished or not is getting quite annoying. I am about to go check mine to see if it is finished because I believe Laundry sent in our stuff for the match but I haven't heard anything whether it is finished or TTK has completed his side. The only one who truly has a valid excuse besides us is Ryker's match partner because he is looking for a replacement.
Matches need to get done and since there is no end-time, it is really up to us to move along with this game. The only match I know that has ended and know the outcome to is Ruy vs. Fabulous which they have stated in thread (funny that Joey beat Ryu again).
That's all I have to say for now and I'll hopefully pass the mic to Laundry now because I have things to do for the next two days. But the next time I check this thread, things have better moved forward for the sake of everyone.

I was initially scum reading shoco because my early play wasn't much to be pleased about, and the lack of any real substantiation to that made me feel very uncomfortable with Shoco. In terms of reads, at best my actions early on were null-ish, some can be construed as scummy or strecthed to be worse then they really were, but the fact of the matter is, Shoco's favor of me didn't add up, and it wasn't a plodding understanding type of thing like Soup tried to make it appear(by the way Soup, I'm still waiting for you to explain how you 180 on me , and then jump in bed with the idea of me and kantrip being scummates co-bussing each other), whoever presented that idea, truly has caused me endless amounts of laughter.
I claim john's, both personal, work and otherwise. Now, you point here is slightly facetious, I have explained some reads, and I will admit they are lackluster in some respects, but my strongest scum read is kantrip and I have devoted quite a lot of time and effort to try and have people understand it, only for them to sweep it under the rug as it were, no ones trying to work with me to further my understanding of slots beyond WATT, which is a sad comment on the state of this game to say the least.
Now, if you want some substantiated reads, that's something I can do, because I actually HAVE THE BLOODY TIME TOO lol. My reads were baseline because I had just enough time to get my feels out.
Town:
WATT: Don't believe they are faking content, and Orbo scum does not go into open discussion with me at all, nor back-pedal and reconsider reads as easily as WATT has shown to, the Dietz side is 100% hard-headed town Dietz, WATT's intentions are clear, I've liked most of their direction(except their misguided hatred towards me of course), and they easily been the most proactive, and I don't view WATTscum ass the type to try so hard to udnerstand the game, whenm they'd have a built in advantage.

PS: Shaco cheated in our second round as did we since he won.
Dunno about the first.

3qwsfq A

gonna have to explain that one

pawn proving he's new, naively town, and going to be bad at this game as a result, regardless of his intentions. take everything he says with a grain of salt but i don't see a reason for anyone to have him as a scumspect.
rake.

You're gonna have to evaluate this with his openness with his personal information because if he was playing careful, I don't see why he'd openly say one of his personal wincons, his suspicion on the cop, etc., directly in the thread. He's shown he's not clever enough to keep his information to himself, nor is he clever enough to pull a fast one. He's too new. You can get away with reading him on a surface level because there is no way he's experienced enough to warrant deeper thought about his actions. If he's scum, the paper trail will form. Little things like these mean nothing to me because of how open he's been. I cannot see him being careful, given other things he's done in thread, and if he is, I doubt it's intentional. You're barking up the wrong tree, Fab.

I dislike PP more than soup right now, but I can't put my finger on why. Call it gut, I guess. Both heads are covering for each other creepily well. Insulting people who attack the other head, but never insulting for themselves. It's like a chainsaw defense but within their own slot. They are never disagreeing about anything, and it doesn't seem like they have all that much time for contacting each other. J made it sound like Washed was absent and J himself was on his phone so couldn't have much discussion with Washed. The two just always seem to have identical stances and cover each others backs in a way that seems disingenuous. They are playing a really strong town game at the surface level, but I don't like it.

Rake-did you cheat at all?
Confirmed is a pretty strong word there Gheb.
You're misunderstanding him here. Soups reconsidering Kantrip because he lost. He isn't finding pawn scummy for it. Mafia has almost no way to lose if they think they can get off banned moves/cheat, and if kantrip lose then he obviously didn't cheat since Pawn said he didn't cheat.

Did you cheat against me?

Rake never stopped being on my scumlist. He never recovered from the earlier game, for me. Any "improvement" we saw with him weren't things I was particularly convinced about. He put on a show because we were talking about how we scumread him, but take a look around. People haven't talked about rakescum for awhile, and have you seen him post much? Nope. This is Rake we're talking about. He posts a mile a minute, when he's town.

That's the main bit of it. Rake and his janky metareads, ya know.
Rather get rid of rake atm because at least you're here posting.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

fak, spilled my drink, posted before done.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What's the row of quotes supposed to mean?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

ahh ninja then

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

EBWOP:

PS: Shaco cheated in our second round as did we since he won.

Dunno about the first.

Do shoco's post give you any intent to think differently.

gonna have to explain that one

Pawn post's feel calculated and very stepped through, sort of like he's had to put them through a safety filter or something, especially when he tries to lay out scum reads, despite the total lack of explanation on me, his Sephscum reads of him stepping through the motions to substantiate it. Not to mention his seph scum read comes in the face of seph becoming more and more hot topic to the thread, and to cap it, his visible feelings towards me have only now made there way to fruition, when suddenly the idea of my scumminess becomes more palpable . He's not trying to openly consider the opposite or any other thread beyond my guilt, because it's the easiest path for him to take, he's making his posts very simplistic in nature because he needs to, it's not a noobtown tell but rather a cautious scum-tell.

pawn proving he's new, naively town, and going to be bad at this game as a result, regardless of his intentions. take everything he says with a grain of salt but i don't see a reason for anyone to have him as a scumspect.

rake.

You need to read his posts, and think about his play here in comparison to soupanewbie, where he was noobscum.
Trust me, you can't trust this guy as far as you can proverbially throw him.

You're gonna have to evaluate this with his openness with his personal information because if he was playing careful, I don't see why he'd openly say one of his personal wincons, his suspicion on the cop, etc., directly in the thread. He's shown he's not clever enough to keep his information to himself, nor is he clever enough to pull a fast one. He's too new. You can get away with reading him on a surface level because there is no way he's experienced enough to warrant deeper thought about his actions. If he's scum, the paper trail will form. Little things like these mean nothing to me because of how open he's been. I cannot see him being careful, given other things he's done in thread, and if he is, I doubt it's intentional. You're barking up the wrong tree, Fab.

Because it benefits people's idea of : scum wouldn't do this; scum wouldn't ac this way, etc. It's the same way I like to play indy: Do things no one can equate logically, so they make the assumption your town and then you simply play them to your tune. He's clever enough to know not to state open cop suspicions, your undercutiing his intelligence in mafia severely and your read lacks gumpsha because of it.

I dislike PP more than soup right now, but I can't put my finger on why. Call it gut, I guess. Both heads are covering for each other creepily well. Insulting people who attack the other head, but never insulting for themselves. It's like a chainsaw defense but within their own slot. They are never disagreeing about anything, and it doesn't seem like they have all that much time for contacting each other. J made it sound like Washed was absent and J himself was on his phone so couldn't have much discussion with Washed. The two just always seem to have identical stances and cover each others backs in a way that seems disingenuous. They are playing a really strong town game at the surface level, but I don't like it.

No, this is just baseless suspicion, if you think J is scum, go fins him posturing his reads or something substantial to equate to J-scum or move on.

Rake-did you cheat at all?

Confirmed is a pretty strong word there Gheb.


You're misunderstanding him here. Soups reconsidering Kantrip because he lost. He isn't finding pawn scummy for it. Mafia has almost no way to lose if they think they can get off banned moves/cheat, and if kantrip lose then he obviously didn't cheat since Pawn said he didn't cheat.

It goes against my religion to cheat.

I haven't checked the color wheel to see if Gheb did yet.

He won the first won, we tied the second and he won the third, taking the match.

I can give more info as soon as I have it I suppose, if that's what your looking for.

Did you cheat against me?

He said he didn't , but you could check the color's yourself.

What if he had, what would that infer or effect for you ?

Rake never stopped being on my scumlist. He never recovered from the earlier game, for me. Any "improvement" we saw with him weren't things I was particularly convinced about. He put on a show because we were talking about how we scumread him, but take a look around. People haven't talked about rakescum for awhile, and have you seen him post much? Nope. This is Rake we're talking about. He posts a mile a minute, when he's town.

There was no "show", I'm posting more when I can, and not saying much outside that, because there's nothing to say, like I said before, nothing's really sparked me, so I can't go full boar like a regular game, also, people Haven't stopped talking about me, whether people are or not, hasn't truly affected my presence here, on top of recently being sick, I have john's just like anyone else, I can't be here all the time, but when I can, that's when you get me, plain and simple.

I also post a mile a minute as scum, and sometimes more, because it plays people into the idea of not taking a second look at me, as town, I can't be bothered to care what people think, and if I have to waste time spelling things out to people or whatever then I do lol.

It's funny because beyond my laziness, I'm actually almost playing straight into the same town meta I do every single time i am town, and yet people think I am evil blagh blagh blagh. No. Just no lol.

That's the main bit of it. Rake and his janky metareads, ya know.
Rather get rid of rake atm because at least you're here posting.

But kantrip is scum.
Stop hating on me ;_;

 

[Wots All This Then?]

EBWOP:



Do shoco's post give you any intent to think differently.

His posts inthread? Don't believe so. No way of knowing from the first round of our match though.

You need to read his posts, and think about his play here in comparison to soupanewbie, where he was noobscum.
Trust me, you can't trust this guy as far as you can proverbially throw him.

Are you factoring in the second newbie game where he was town?

It goes against my religion to cheat.

I haven't checked the color wheel to see if Gheb did yet.

He won the first won, we tied the second and he won the third, taking the match.

I can give more info as soon as I have it I suppose, if that's what your looking for.

Mkay. The color wheel won't help you in determining if he cheated or now, as cheated outcomes will show a normal winning move to the opponent.

But kantrip is scum.
Stop hating on me ;_;

Gimme more content like this and I won't have to.

 

[Picture Perfect]

How I read Rake's read on Pawn:

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Dietz viewed pawns early posts as dumbscum so It's not completely our of the ballpark.

 

[Picture Perfect]

I don't see it. No, rather, I can't see it. You think I'm underestimating him but I think you're overestimating him. I'm not going out to read other games in their entirety, so saying "compare his play here to another game" means nothing to me. I don't think his experience allows him to play so manipulative right now. Again, I may be underestimating him but when I look at his slot I don't see how or why I could be. There's just so many newbie flags going off that I can't. And, again, if he's scum, the paper trail should form.

 

[Picture Perfect]

Dietz viewed pawns early posts as dumbscum so It's not completely our of the ballpark.

Really? Why?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Looking back through our qt...
He never brought up specifics, but he was going along the lines of pawn not doing anything at the time and just randomly outing who he thought was the cop, which he found scummy being that Mafia had no means of private communication aside form mr phone.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

What did you think of Rake's post aside from his pawn read PP?

 

[Picture Perfect]

Looking back through our qt...
He never brought up specifics, but he was going along the lines of pawn not doing anything at the time and just randomly outing who he thought was the cop, which he found scummy being that Mafia had no means of private communication aside form mr phone.

I really doubt that's it because it feels like you'd have to spin it to get it.

 

[Picture Perfect]

What did you think of Rake's post aside from his pawn read PP?

Didn't really help him, didn't really hurt him. The one thing that jumped out of me is that he tied his second match with Gheb. I tied mine but Nabe gave me a prompt to continue the match and reselect a move.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I can bug him to come in and explain it. It was right after he posted his 703(I think joker...)

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Didn't really help him, didn't really hurt him. The one thing that jumped out of me is that he tied his second match with Gheb. I tied mine but Nabe gave me a prompt to continue the match and reselect a move.

That's interesting. I wasn't aware ties were possible, especially in a best of 3.

 

[Picture Perfect]

I'll explain how mine happened after Rake.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Alright .

 

[Super Fabulous]

I don't see it. No, rather, I can't see it. You think I'm underestimating him but I think you're overestimating him. I'm not going out to read other games in their entirety, so saying "compare his play here to another game" means nothing to me. I don't think his experience allows him to play so manipulative right now.

Underlined, it is much different from his newbie play (although, he was scum in his newbie, yet he was newbie scum there). Rake was there as I was so I can understand why he also sees it. So basically my point is that it is just un-natural of him to be playing this way. You say he is too new, yes, but then that is why it makes us go "wat da". This is unlike PJB who I feel has just played a few games and has naturally gotten better, and isn't just DEFENSIVE pjb. But this is Pawn, who just came out of one or two games. He shouldn't have enough experience to GIVE us the feel that he does. (This is why I got the careful vibe, or that he was being fed what to do, and I AM trying to read the cop read thing along with it. This is not paranoia. This is a vibe.) Yet you say that we'll be able to notice in time, so I will let that happen and hopefully you manage to see it. I will drop this for now but if you don't want to see more talking about pawn who you feel is newb town, I urge you to read that game. Please. So you can at least understand where we are coming from. I will still keep my eye on him.

Thing is Kantrip was with us there too, but wondering why he hasn't commented on this.

Kantrip, what is your opinion on Pawn, and what I and Rake have said about him? What do you think about the differences of play here and in the newbie?

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

it may have been that i had to reselect a move or another move.

i just assumed it was best of 3 ? or i remember that i think. I can try to explain more after i finish eating

 

[Wots All This Then?]

it may have been that i had to reselect a move or another move.

i just assumed it was best of 3 ? or i remember that i think. I can try to explain more after i finish eating

double check your pm.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

double check your pm.

we tied so we choose another move and i chose poorly.

I got a color buff in round 2 , after i chose my move there was a tie. I'm inclined to believe gheb didn't cheat, as he said he woulodn't , but i haven't analyzed colors or w/e. I suppose thats how you tell ? Nabe didnt say anything during, so i think we be good.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

we tied so we choose another move and i chose poorly.

I got a color buff in round 2 , after i chose my move there was a tie. I'm inclined to believe gheb didn't cheat, as he said he woulodn't , but i haven't analyzed colors or w/e. I suppose thats how you tell ? Nabe didnt say anything during, so i think we be good.

You'll only be able to tell if he cheated for sure if you cheated and lost.( The color shown if he cheated will be one that would naturally beat your color regardless of cheating, even if it wasn't the actual color he picked. Or so I suspect.)

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

oh yeah reads:

Town:
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The Joker and the Thief
One Watt or Another
PP

townish null
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Soupa

Nullish town
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Gheb
Ryu
Super Fab

Null
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Rykerslot
TTK (does this guy even post ) ?


Nullish scummish
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Xonar ( Im kinda undecided on this lot, it gives me a lot of pause)

SCUM
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Kantplay
Pawn

Yeah i ran out of song play off names.

/roll out

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Explain gheb when you got back or quote it if you have.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Oh and i'd be totally cool with losing ttk.

Honestly didn't even remember he was in this till I saw his name in thread today.

Obv too scared to post.

 

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

Gheb is under review with his fisticuffs with PP, i feel like their interaction holds some weight, but I haven't decided on who came out the better.

as to why i read him as such, it's kinda just a gut feel like i got in Mass Effect mafia. I'm only bothered by what made gheb take the more opinionated side of liking me, a position that his explanation kinda lacked in(it wasn't bad or misthought but it felt odd), like baseline.

Beyond that I don't see scum gheb getting into all these pointless fights when it only hurts his thread appearance to do that, plus i've felt gheb has contributed to getting the thread forward.

That's about all i got, without quotes of stuff i liked.

I suppose i could go find something he posted i liked but it'd take a while.

What was your read on gheb again and why ? Oh and what do you make of gheb vs PP

 

[Wots All This Then?]

null nullscum, but that could disappate entirely by Gheb just explaining himself in a satisfactory manner.
I did like Gheb's morning phase contributions but his Match phase play has been lacking.
Gheb vs PP is tvt or SvT with the S likely being gheb. it would solid case to get me to question my PP town read

 

[Wots All This Then?]

HI GUYS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS THREAD

...

oh

Anyways, 8 pages eh? I'll get on this tomorrow. I've got another game I'm catching up in but I'll lurk it now.

Where the literal ****

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm really confused by the mechanics and before signing up I didn't even know I'd have these. Page 2 already, won't be doing much else tonight, but let's start.


Why out a PR?

I do like that you're taking initiative though in making it easier to understand what's going on here. I'm also confused by the challenges and stuff. This is probably one of the more interesting games I've been in. Has there been a game like this in the past?

are you even

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I don't get the whole match thing. Kingmaker, sure, but match thing, no. Going to not treat this too differently though even if it's experimental.

and tell me

 

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Page 5, then caught up to this page. This came to my eyes:



^ I'm okay with this idea.

why on earth

 

[Wots All This Then?]

And now 17 pages. Time to play catch-up.

you haven't even

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Bye: PJB

I'll help but seriously, this game really is "what" for me. Also, as for desperate win goals, can we achieve those instead of winning with the town? Or do we need to win with the town as well?

This is so... interesting.



why do i not like this post

been bothering

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Ah, I just read up and saw people doing it. Can I still unvote or does it have a lock number?

If so Unby/vote: PJB

If it's locked from my vote, I'll take the blame.

to keep up with this game?

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Wait what we've back in day now I thought we haven't been allowed to post due to the rounds in PM what is this

I'll read over. How much time do we have left for Day 1? I might just end up replacing at this rate; I'm not enjoying the mechanics as much as everyone else (Though it's neat to try) but at the same time I don't want to give a replacement 40 pages to read.