Koopa VS Kefka -- The Endless Tournament ends! Who took home the prize?

[Shun Goku Satsu Rake]

J's post about Kanty is also pretty spot on.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

3. Where did we slow down on content? Because we weren't actively here throughout the day? I've been trying my *** off to get people to stop playing like indies and to try to start discussion about scum. Where have you been?

Gonna be blunt here again, I will under no circumstances will stop doing this.

Special prizes for optional wincons will be mine.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yeah I suppose ? But i mean your going ot have to tell me what it is your looking for lol.

I can't exactly spell out what Gheb did/does after all

We'll talk over night.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

one scum if any between soup and kantrip, but not two

Ditto on this.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Gonna be blunt here again, I will under no circumstances will stop doing this.

Special prizes for optional wincons will be mine.

Go **** yourself. This is a town game and if you will be blatantly unhelpful then you can go.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Soup have some class, don't edit your posts.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Go **** yourself. This is a town game and if you will be blatantly unhelpful then you can go.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yea ruy can go.
Shoco can go.
Kantrip can likely go.
unsure on the fourth as of yet.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Elaborate on ShocoScum, that's a new thing that's not #trending at the moment since you are the first to bring it up. Everyone else has them as null, what are you seeing differently?

I'm gonna agree with the majority of thoughts at the current time and ask you to elaborate also on Soup/Kanty both being scum.

While I am being blatant on going for my own gains.

I didn't get a sense of worth out of Shoco's posts personally.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Personally? I just find kantrip to be scatterbrained at moments where people are looking at him. He compensates for this early on in games, where he knows everyone is being looked at, by taking stances too early. He does this regardless of his alignment. That's why I'm hesitant to call him scummy, just because he gave out some early reads that he couldn't substantiate very well.

Kantrip does do this, I agree.

But how about his handling of Soup and his reponses to WoTT?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

For starters I didn't like the basic nature of his sudden re-entry to the game, because if what Rake claimed to us over lunch is true Kantrip-scum has a habit of making clear cut stances without being able to really back them for the purpose of seeming active. This would line up with what we saw of Kantrip's early play, and it very much bugs me for him to have been so "I'll get you the info later" to suddenly posting his advice on mechanics. Specifically he's posting about mechanics that we've already gone over which makes me feel like he's not even putting in the work, he's just copy-pasta'ing our slot and other slot's thoughts into a paragraph and putting it out into thread for hollow "I'm active and contributing" points. I don't find it a coincidence that I posted about the fact the tourney cop gives us a clear right or wrong, and then kantrip comes in and bends that truth to make it seem like we shouldn't use our removal, the intent reeks of scum trying to slow down our anti-scum tools.

As far as his actual reads I feel like they're pretty shallow, and in at least Ryu's case: wrong. He doesn't go into them enough for me to pass total judgement, but for that same reason I really can't take them seriously as more than "I'm here, I'm helping" attention grabbing. For your slot, his observation is a simple as "I like your question therefore I like you.", while for Gheb he states reasons for dislike that I also feel strongly apply to his own slot if you just replace the name:



Finally right now I'm actually leaning Nullscum on Ryu, not Nulltown. I have not liked his lack of activity, nor the way he asked for everyone to out where they ate during lunch. In my experience Ryu usually at least tries to think through his requests etc. but in this case I'm not seeing the town intent in pushing it. I don't understand what he's done so far to be labelled town by Kantrip (or Gheb for that matter, who gave a similar read a few posts after), considering the "information he willingly gave thread" for Kantrip to have given him town points seems to directly help mafia and no one else.

Eh....not really.

I'm trying to define what is different between when he does both, he does this as both alignment, check Golden Sun/Zen's Bowser Jr mafia etc. It gets him in trouble as town as well. So I don't take it as a strict tell.

I think what he did with his read on Rake might be more telling if he is scum since that actually has more fruit to it like PP said.

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As for the last paragraph, no.

Telling where we ate does not give mafia a clear direction. There is no pattern, we can go back to that restaurant or go somewhere else.

If it does, please enlighten me and the rest of town how telling where we went or where people pushed to go and eat is a tell that helps mafia and not town?

Since we can, Go anywhere we want the next lynch phase and telling or not telling does not really give mafia info that helps them learn where we will go next.

I want to know what people said in their rooms regarding lynch, Soup's room went random, I asked my room to get Chinese since I love Chinese restaurants.

Please tell me how mafia gets info on a pattern when they are trying to read something that is game of hide and seek with the poisoner.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

As for the last paragraph, no.

Telling where we ate does not give mafia a clear direction. There is no pattern, we can go back to that restaurant or go somewhere else.

If it does, please enlighten me and the rest of town how telling where we went or where people pushed to go and eat is a tell that helps mafia and not town?

Since we can, Go anywhere we want the next lynch phase and telling or not telling does not really give mafia info that helps them learn where we will go next.

I want to know what people said in their rooms regarding lynch, Soup's room went random, I asked my room to get Chinese since I love Chinese restaurants.

Please tell me how mafia gets info on a pattern when they are trying to read something that is game of hide and seek with the poisoner.

You're literally pulling a place out of a hat to eat?
Ryu, why would we give the mafia any information at all whatsoever? I have a plan for the way I want to handle lunches. If there's a plan, there is a pattern. Giving mafia any sort of information on that at all is not in towns best interest, especially considering that no one was poisoned. We get nothing form announcing it right now. reads won't win this game, information will. And I refuse to give up that information unless there is a damn good thing to gain form it.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Idk why people are so hesitant to believe Kantrip's scum here, or are only just getting to the idea, the more he posts the more obvious it becomes.

As to the idea of SvS, I don't see it, but if they actually didnt know it I would find that hilarious as all hell.

I still think Soup is town and I think his points against kantrip are spot on, and the things Watt pointed out dislike of, are exactly the things I dislike about knatrip and have for a while.

Also, it wasn't a obligation to make a bigger post, I wanted to lol, because as I said in the lunch thing, and even before, I've come to the conclusion Kantrip is scum here and should go asap.

Plus, it wasn't as big a post as I thought it would be. Honestly kantrip's play and my dislike of it almost boils down to : He's being fake. Taking aggressive stances without being able to back any of it up in order to try and gain a little cred, he's defensive when he gets called out on things that he should be getting called out on, he's more concerned with thread appearance than he would need to be as town. He still can't explain why I am scum over parroting Watt.

The list goes on

I'm interested in this, where did he try this?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

I'm interested in this, where did he try this?

Look at all the "I wanna be townread so I can get a bye" and the "look at that protown **** in my post" he's posted ryu.
/answering because rake's at work and/or being a lazy ****

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You're literally pulling a place out of a hat to eat?

Yes for two reasons, my room ultimately decided where we went, not me but I put forth the eating Chinese first.

Ryu, why would we give the mafia any information at all whatsoever?

Which translates to, let's not post.

You didn't address why we don't post about it. What does mafia gain that town doesn't gain more? I've thought about the pros and cons a bit and realized mafia doesn't gain much if anything.

I have a plan for the way I want to handle lunches. If there's a plan, there is a pattern.

What plan? The only plan we are using is discussing what people suggested in there rooms and where the solo people went to eat. There is no pattern.

Giving mafia any sort of information on that at all is not in towns best interest, especially considering that no one was poisoned.

How?

We get nothing form announcing it right now. reads won't win this game, information will. And I refuse to give up that information unless there is a damn good thing to gain form it.

If people tried to force hard to push certain restaurants or are going solo all the time, it shows people trying to either poison their room or trying to not show their intent and hiding.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Look at all the "I wanna be townread so I can get a bye" and the "look at that protown **** in my post" he's posted ryu.
/answering because rake's at work and/or being a lazy ****

Don't answer for him again.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Yes for two reasons, my room ultimately decided where we went, not me but I put forth the eating Chinese first.

The room is always going to decide where you go because majority rule wins out in Nabe's system.

Which translates to, let's not post about that specific information.

Fixed that fer ya.
Why would you want mafia to have any kind of knowledge about where we ate? Yes, we can go anywhere. But giving mafia that information allows mafia a guess at why you went there and how your room is approaching the mechanic. Again, how does this benefit town considering you admitted that we gain minimally form it reads wise and gain nothing information wise? I will admit that if a room gets poisoned then they should out this kind of information, but that isn't the case right here.

You didn't address why we don't post about it. What does mafia gain that town doesn't gain more? I've thought about the pros and cons a bit and realized mafia doesn't gain much if anything.

What does town gain at all in this specific situation? Nothing happened, so we can't get any of mafia's intentions regarding it. The poisoner isn't going to try and ramrod his own lunchroom to go to where he poisoned because it will show his malintention after the fact. What are your pros and cons ryu? be specific.

What plan? The only plan we are using is discussing what people suggested in there rooms and where the solo people went to eat. There is no pattern.

People's plans for why they went there. I can't believe you aren't thinking about that.

How?

NOONE GOT POISONED. Ergo, no one can show us any of mafia's intentions while we put out our own intentions for mafia to see.

If people tried to force hard to push certain restaurants or are going solo all the time, it shows people trying to either poison their room or trying to not show their intent and hiding.

And how does that help us today Ryu?

 

[Wots All This Then?]

TTK rake and pawn should comment on this exchange between ryu and me.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I can tell you that I did not draw a random restaurant out of a hat. There was a thought process that went into it, and I refuse to out it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

See ruy? You're gonna have to work overtime if you actually think this is the right way to do it.

 

[Kantrip]

I wanted to be seen as town so I could get a bye for personal win-con related shenanigans. I don't give a **** anymore because obviously that's not happening at this point.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

This is the same **** that got people lynched wrongly in the wall. Hando getting himself lynched, you trying to get yourself lynched, etc. Why did we not learn from that BS?

 

[pawndidater2]

Ryu is scum. He is forcing this way to hard.

 

[pawndidater2]

I wanted to be seen as town so I could get a bye for personal win-con related shenanigans. I don't give a **** anymore because obviously that's not happening at this point.

I have the same wincon and you don't see me freaking out about it.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Why are we outing wincons again?

 

[pawndidater2]

Kanty is trying to explain himself and I'm calling shenanigans.

 

[Kantrip]

This is the same **** that got people lynched wrongly in the wall. Hando getting himself lynched, you trying to get yourself lynched, etc. Why did we not learn from that BS?

Because this is different. This is me trying to look like town, something I should want to do anyways.

Tourney cop feel free to check all my matches idgaf, but don't you guys dare use the removal mechanic unless you confirm me as scum. The risk is far too great to use removal on ANYONE unless they're confirmed scum.

 

[Kantrip]

I have the same wincon and you don't see me freaking out about it.

I haven't even said the win-con. Guarantee you think it's something it's not.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

my optional wincons are all fairly easy to accomplish. I can't see them interfering with my play at all, and I intend to accomplish them all.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Because this is different. This is me trying to look like town, something I should want to do anyways.

Tourney cop feel free to check all my matches idgaf, but don't you guys dare use the removal mechanic unless you confirm me as scum. The risk is far too great to use removal on ANYONE unless they're confirmed scum.

Was referring to everyone trying to put their personal wincons ahead of just hunting scum and getting **** done.

 

[Kantrip]

When did I do this?

 

[Kantrip]

My goal was to look townie and I did this by scumhunting and trying to be really vocal. Is there a problem with doing this? Does this interfere with what I should be doing? NO. It is what I should be doing! So your point is moot.

 

[Kantrip]

Inevitably I gave up but the effort was there. Now I've been **** on so much I give a lot less ****s about this game than I did coming into it. I tried to come in and try again, but everyone was already tunnel visioning and I got **** on again. I'm tired of trying for you guys.

 

[Wots All This Then?]

Then try for yourself. Don't please the crowd, just work away on things. that will show the crowd you're doing your best, and they'll lay off of you.

 

[pawndidater2]

I haven't even said the win-con. Guarantee you think it's something it's not.

I wanted to be seen as town so I could get a bye for personal win-con related shenanigans.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

The room is always going to decide where you go because majority rule wins out in Nabe's system.

I know this.

Fixed that fer ya.
Why would you want mafia to have any kind of knowledge about where we ate? Yes, we can go anywhere. But giving mafia that information allows mafia a guess at why you went there and how your room is approaching the mechanic. Again, how does this benefit town considering you admitted that we gain minimally form it reads wise and gain nothing information wise? I will admit that if a room gets poisoned then they should out this kind of information, but that isn't the case right here.

Does it matter if they know? the answer is no.

You admit we can go anywhere, but them knowing that. See I don't get how them knowing makes it magically better for them to guess for rooms, rooms are majority. They are trying to outguess 3 people. For solo people they have nothing to base it on.

We can reads from this, we can read people based on why and where they went. Keeping track of this helps town.

Stop stonewalling this.

What does town gain at all in this specific situation? Nothing happened, so we can't get any of mafia's intentions regarding it. The poisoner isn't going to try and ramrod his own lunchroom to go to where he poisoned because it will show his malintention after the fact. What are your pros and cons ryu? be specific.

We learn where people went, why and learn about what was talking about in the rooms. Town gains reads from this overtime about who pushed what to go where.

When people leave rooms and go on their own etc.

Pros, we learn who was trying to push people to eat where, we learn what solo people were planing and thinking, after the fact not before, the point of the poisoner not going where he poisoned is valid and something I am interesting in seeiing where people go because we learn people's intent via if they are the poisoner or if they pushed their room to go there. We can learn intent from these actions.

Cons, mafia can trap someone in a martyr move if they learn what people are doing before the fact. Alt wincons might help them do this, this is why we above all else shut up about that stuff and only say where we go after the fact not before.

Mafia learning where we go after the fact is not a con.

People's plans for why they went there. I can't believe you aren't thinking about that.

There may be wincons about where people eat, otherwise there is no reason to form a strict plan on were they eat. I'm not saying where we go before, only telling after the fact. If they reveal why they went there kuddos for that, I only want to know that after the fact.

NOONE GOT POISONED. Ergo, no one can show us any of mafia's intentions while we put out our own intentions for mafia to see.

Mafia is gonna have their stuff in the open as well, or lie about it. Mafia can see that, but does it matter? Not really.

And how does that help us today Ryu?

Keeping track of where people went, for rooms and lunches, helps us learn about them.

I can't make this anymore clear.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ryu is scum. He is forcing this way to hard.

You might wanna go to the dead end of the pool instead of swimming at the shallow end.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Deep*

typing fail.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Was referring to everyone trying to put their personal wincons ahead of just hunting scum and getting **** done.

It's the fun thing to do.

 

[Kantrip]

@pawn: And? What's the win-con then, eh buddy? I'll give you a hint. It's not "look townie"