Kirby needs his hammer replaced with something else

[ryuu seika]

He's really obnoxious to fight in my experience. I'm very glad he's not more popular.

 

[Vinylic.]

Are you serious.

So Ice Climbers, MetaKnight, Snake, Wario, Diddy, and Olimar is not obnoxious to to you in any way?

 

[ryuu seika]

Sure, Diddy is a jerk character and MK is a slightly less annoying (though vastly more powerful) version of Kirby. The others are fine IMO. Dedede is probably actually my most hated Brawl character due to the major weight discrepancies he has going on but I say Kirby because I'm more used to Melee and Peach doesn't have the same level of air time in general. I just really don't like facing floaties so, besides Diddy, all my most disliked matchups are them.

 

[t!MmY]

I just don't play him lol. He's not for everyone dude

You don't have to play Kirby to love him.

 

[extremechiton]

who couldnt love a pink puffy bundle of fun?

 

[ryuu seika]

I don't know about that one, Jigglypuff isn't exactly the most loveable of characters.

 

[Kamiko]

Jigglypuff is also less pink.

 

[Vinylic.]

Hungrybox uses jiggz, so I'm fine.

Not sure what's up with you guys.

 

[extremechiton]

im alright with jiggs. i figured out just recengly that jiggy is an awesome aerial approacher (ive been neglecting jiggs for a long time) although ive only used jiggs on cpus, i have to wait till school starts again so i can try jiggly out on my friends.

 

[Lemonwater]

I actually like the flaming dash attack from Melee. They could easily buff it in the new game to make it better, while allowing it to retain that lingering effect that makes it annoying to defend against.

 

[Retroend]

I actually like the flaming dash attack from Melee. They could easily buff it in the new game to make it better, while allowing it to retain that lingering effect that makes it annoying to defend against.

oh god, not this again.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

No.

The Hammer is fine, you may feel like it doesn't work for him, but not everyone does.

Plus, it's very useful when used correctly.

 

[Lemonwater]

oh god, not this again.

A differing opinion? Oh no! Jeebus.

IMO, a flaming dash can be changed to have the properties of his headspin attack, just with a much more colorful and interesting animation change. Flaming impact or a headspin?

 

[Vinylic.]

So, you'd like spin dash with a flaming effect.

You know I'm glad Nintendo and Sakurai doesn't take people's suggestions.

 

[ryuu seika]

Break Dash =/= Spin Dash. I'm pretty sure nobody would be in favour of Kirby having Spin Dash, what with it being so similar to Rollout.
Also, I'm not really sold on the idea of flaming Break Dash since it wouldn't get rid of Break Dash's one real failing.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Break Dash =/= Spin Dash. I'm pretty sure nobody would be in favour of Kirby having Spin Dash, what with it being so similar to Rollout.
Also, I'm not really sold on the idea of flaming Break Dash since it wouldn't get rid of Break Dash's one real failing.

How is it similar to Rollout?

I can't believe you actually think Kirby is obnoxious to fight.

 

[ryuu seika]

You charge it up, then you roll back and forth along the floor. Both moves have the same basic design, as does Yoshi's Egg Roll.

And obnoxious =/= hard by the way, obnoxious = annoying and unpleasant. I don't like facing floaties.

 

[Vinylic.]

Spin dash is fine.
Spin dash is going to be, and stay in the game.

 

[ryuu seika]

But, but, but...
What logical reason is there for Kirby to steal Sonics moves without Copy?

 

[IAm2Sarcastic4U]

OP's statement: Kirby need his hammer replaced with something else
My answer: No.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

You charge it up, then you roll back and forth along the floor. Both moves have the same basic design, as does Yoshi's Egg Roll.

And obnoxious =/= hard by the way, obnoxious = annoying and unpleasant. I don't like facing floaties.

You don't charge spin dash....you run forwards and hit a button. And it doesn't travel back and forth, AND it slows down very quickly after use, AND, it doesn't send someone flying immediately, it quickly racks up a bit of damage first.

Unless I'm blind as a bat and have missed something throughout several years of playing Brawl, I don't see any similarites between Rollout and the spin dash whatsoever.

 

[ryuu seika]

You seem to be failing to grasp the concept of my initial statement. Vinyl was talking about "spin dash", a move Sonic has that is functionally almost identical Roll Out and Egg Roll. What they should have been talking about was Break Dash or Yo-yo Spin or whatever it's called.
I then went on to say that under no circumstances should Kirby get Spin Dash/Roll Out/Egg Roll, partially because it wouldn't really fit him and partially because it would make him even more similar to Jigs.

I agree that Kirby's Brawl dash attack has no similarity to Roll Out but that was never in question. Jeez, if you people are going to hate on my posts all the time, atleast try and understand them first. It's not hard.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm not hating on them, and from what I saw, Vinyl referred to Kirby's dash as the spin dash in the link.

There are a few differences between Rollout and the other specials of Yoshi and Sonic though.

 

[Vinylic.]

Oh, my mistake then.


Spin dash fits with him more than sonic though.
Mostly because I always call sonic's move a dash attack.

 

[ryuu seika]

I'm not hating on them...

Ok, no, not this time. Nor has it necessarily been you in the past. The point is that my posts are surprisingly unpopular for something that nobody seems to understand.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Ok, no, not this time. Nor has it necessarily been you in the past. The point is that my posts are surprisingly unpopular for something that nobody seems to understand.

I could tell by the low amount of likes in comparison to your post count. (Likes don't necessarily tell how popular someone is, but your amount is still quite low)


I made another mistake myself when I forgot what Lemonwater said.

Anyway, we should probably keep things on topic of Kirby's hammer. (which is perfectly fine in my opinion, and a smart Kirby player will know when to use it)

 

[ryuu seika]

To be fair, the vast majority of my posts were made before there was a like button but you still have a point.

I'm not totally sold on Brawl's aerial Hammer. It's not really that interesting. There's nothing actively wrong with it, Melee's just seemed more inspired.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I wonder why they decided to change it? In the trailer the aerial version of the attack appeared to be just like it was in Melee. (aside from being a shorter range)

 

[Salty the SLUG]

The Hammer was always very useful for me.

 

[Deleted member]

I liked Brawl's Hammer. I love going into some combos with Kirby and then follow up with the Hammer in the air. Not only that, but I love using it for recovery and to use it against those who are going to recover. I don't use it as much on the ground since it takes a while to get off. I hated the one in Melee since I never found much use for it and the Hammer spin in the air? That was garbage. I'm glad that they changed it in Brawl and I hope its mechanics stay the same in SSB4.

 

[asia_catdog_blue]

Either improve it or remove it.

I still would want it to be like its source material. When that Pink Blob dashes, he should do the hammer spin.

 

[Phan7om]

Kirby WILL and SHOULD keep his hammer. Not keeping the hammer b/c Dedede uses a hammer is like saying not keeping stone because dare i say it Onix is a playable character... or something to that effect. Final Cutter, Hammer, and Stone were all abilities he could copy in the Kirby games, he cant really change it to anything else without the argument of "There's a similar move another character can do already"

 

[Vinylic.]

I thought this discussion has been over with.

Oh wait, let me make this more clear.

Spoiler

I thought this discussion has been over with.

It's not gonna happen. Hammer will be staying the same as Sakurai intends to. If you are aware that your suggestions will never be responded to and will not be done in the game, then I'd like to know why you at least think that they'll be done in the next.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

No more discussion about replacing the hammer, please.

If anything, just talk about how it could be changed, that is, if we haven't already gotten footage of the hammer in action, on both the ground and in the air.

 

[extremechiton]

i think the second swing of the aerial hammer should be a spike.

 

[Z1GMA]

When he has stolen somebody's ability, his hammer should be replaced with that person's side+b.
This way Kirby would have access to both the foe's B and side B, which actually makes Kirby more justice - staying true to his games.

 

[ryuu seika]

YES!
Kirby gets his Boomerang back and regains the ability to chuck puffballs over his head! Do Want!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

He shouldn't copy all special moves though, that would make him kind of broken.

 

[Angiance]

The marshmallow's hammer in Brawl is actually very good (especially the aerial hammer); the one thing that needs fixing is it's phantom lag.

 

[Vinylic.]

Huh.

Haven't heard of phantom lag before.