Social King K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: This...Is Our Finest Hour!

[cybersai]

Problem is I don't see a new "main" DK game coming out for awhile. Retro isn't working on another DK and Tropical Freeze just got ported this year, they don't have a team to make another DK game at the moment and Nintendo is treating Wii-U ports as "new releases" because most people never played them.

I honestly think Tropical Freeze will be the only main DK game on Switch, just like the port of Donkey Kong Country Returns was the only main DK game on 3DS.

If you realize it, we tend to only get one new DK game per console from N64 onward:

N64: DK64
Gamecube: Jungle Beat
Wii: DKCR
Wii-U and Switch: Tropical Freeze

And then King of Swing for GBA and Jungle Climber for DS.

Besides that there's just ports or spinoff games.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

How long until you all think the Ashley thread will pass us Kutthroats?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

How long until you all think the Ashley thread will pass us Kutthroats?

I'm not sure a thread's length matters

In the end, the only thing that actually matters is if the character makes it.

In the past, characters have had massive threads that didn't get in. And characters that had tiny threads did get in.

 

[cybersai]

Smashboards is also just a tiny section on the internet. There's also the Smash discussions in reddit, gamefaqs, IGN, ResetEra, twitter, tumblr, discords, other various gaming or Nintendo sites, etc.

You can't judge popularity of a character on one website when the Smash fanbase literally consists of millions of people on hundreds of different sites online.

 

[Jeck]

Exactly. This is the only place I've seen a discernible Ashley community. Not that's they aren't out there.

 

[InASnowBoundLand]

It's just a fun goal by the Ashley thread. It doesn't really mean anything by itself.

I will note that having a large thread probably does have to do something with demand for the character. But it's not the only thing. For example, and imagine me looking at the camera right now, another factor involved in whether a character thread is large is whether the community in question specifically is trying to get bigger.

Other factors include what other venues people use to discuss the character. For example, I know this character support thread has a notable Discord.

Also, I wouldn't assume anything about when the next DK game may be coming. Let's keep an open mind.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

In the past, characters have had massive threads that didn't get in. And characters that had tiny threads did get in.

Greninja in particular comes to mind.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ridley and Geno had a competition for longest thread in Brawl. Which Geno technically won but mostly because Ridley threads got banned. Also because Ridley was deconfirmed as a SSE boss.

Neither got in that game. Or the next. It wasn't until now that Ridley finally got in

 

[8-peacock-8]

I don't see why K. Rool is automatically likely for DLC if he's passed over for the base game.

Never said he was. Just stuff I feel. We don't even know if SSBU will have DLC either. I'm just being optimistic.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Maybe a lot of us have the feeling that even if King K. Rool doesn't get in the base game thanks to an unlikely oversight of the Smash development team. His popularity and demand are so high that if DLC happens, it will also be a top contender.
After all, Mewtwo was left out of the base game of Smash 4 despite him being highly requested next to Ridley and K. Rool. So he was the first one to become DLC.

 

[Mccdbz5]

Problem is I don't see a new "main" DK game coming out for awhile. Retro isn't working on another DK and Tropical Freeze just got ported this year, they don't have a team to make another DK game at the moment and Nintendo is treating Wii-U ports as "new releases" because most people never played them.

We have no idea what Retro's working on. It very well could be a new Donkey Kong game. Or it could be something entirely different. But let's not sit here and pretend like we know what game they're making. I honestly don't understand why no one considers this a possibility. Like, there's just absolutely no way Retro could be doing another Donkey Kong...that's what people thought after Returns as well and we see how that turned out. I think it's more likely that they're working on another Donkey Kong than something else, but that's just me.

I honestly think Tropical Freeze will be the only main DK game on Switch, just like the port of Donkey Kong Country Returns was the only main DK game on 3DS.

If you realize it, we tend to only get one new DK game per console from N64 onward:

N64: DK64
Gamecube: Jungle Beat
Wii: DKCR
Wii-U and Switch: Tropical Freeze

And then King of Swing for GBA and Jungle Climber for DS.

Besides that there's just ports or spinoff games.

Again, this is a pretty big assumption. And by that logic, Returns wouldn't have been released because Jungle Beat was ported to the Wii. I don't think Tropical Freeze being ported to the Switch has any bearing on the possibility of another Donkey Kong game coming out on the system. I think they just saw an opportunity with Tropical Freeze, as it was a phenomenal game that a lot of people missed out on, and also happened to be from their fourth best selling franchise (not including the Wii series), and was most likely relatively easy to port. If anything, I think it's even more likely that we get another Donkey Kong game, because now the series is fresh in people's minds and there's a lot of people who are going to want to play more because of how great a game Tropical Freeze is. And I know these are just your opinions, but I just thought I'd offer my two cents.

 

[Buzzwole]

K.Rool has been my most wanted newcomer since Melee, but it gets harder and harder to believe that he'll make it into the game with each new release.
Personally, I think that if he doesn't make it into the base game this time, its just not going to happen.
I hate to sound pessimistic, but he's had so many chances to get into the game at this point. I imagine the idea of including him would have popped up occasionally over the course of the last 4 development cycles. At this point it feels like they've already made up their minds about it.

Then again, it finally happened for Ridley, so who knows. If Metroid is finally getting some love in Smash, I really hope they do so for Donkey Kong too. The series really deserves it.

 

[Jimmy42893]

Problem is I don't see a new "main" DK game coming out for awhile. Retro isn't working on another DK and Tropical Freeze just got ported this year, they don't have a team to make another DK game at the moment and Nintendo is treating Wii-U ports as "new releases" because most people never played them.

I honestly think Tropical Freeze will be the only main DK game on Switch, just like the port of Donkey Kong Country Returns was the only main DK game on 3DS.

If you realize it, we tend to only get one new DK game per console from N64 onward:

N64: DK64
Gamecube: Jungle Beat
Wii: DKCR
Wii-U and Switch: Tropical Freeze

And then King of Swing for GBA and Jungle Climber for DS.

Besides that there's just ports or spinoff games.

The pessimist in me is inclined to agree with you, but the optimist in me can't ignore Nintendo's description of the Tropical Freeze Switch port: "Barrel-blast into a critically acclaimed Donkey Kong adventure as this beloved franchise makes its Nintendo Switch™ debut with a banana-bunch of new features." Unless it's just careless word choice, the word "debut" implies that the Tropical Freeze port is only the first of several DK games on the Switch. (Plus, it's always nice to see them refer to DK as a "beloved franchise." )

 

[mynameisBlade]

I need this character in Smash.... Hope the Smash Gods are in favor of K. Rool this time... I say it all the time. This game will not be "ultimate" if Donkey Kong still has such small representation.. Give us something. Newcomers, ATs, new stages, new music, etc... Either Dixie or K Rool has got to be in..at this point one would think...

 

[Space Detective]

How long until you all think the Ashley thread will pass us Kutthroats?

I think we'll probably be slowing down soon actually, since there isn't any events that could have a reveal any time soon (aside for maybe Gamescom), and the WarioWare Gold hype train has slowed down now that it's actually out.

That said, these are only my feelings as things currently stand. If there is a Direct announcement or a tease towards news at Gamescom, I expect activity to shoot back up.

 

[Jeck]

I need this character in Smash.... Hope the Smash Gods are in favor of K. Rool this time... I say it all the time. This game will not be "ultimate" if Donkey Kong still has such small representation.. Give us something. Newcomers, ATs, new stages, new music, etc... Either Dixie or K Rool has got to be in..at this point one would think...

Preach! Also your sig inspires poetry.

 

[Jetsurge]

How long until you all think the Ashley thread will pass us Kutthroats?

Never

Maybe a lot of us have the feeling that even if King K. Rool doesn't get in the base game thanks to an unlikely oversight of the Smash development team. His popularity and demand are so high that if DLC happens, it will also be a top contender.
After all, Mewtwo was left out of the base game of Smash 4 despite him being highly requested next to Ridley and K. Rool. So he was the first one to become DLC.

If K. Rool is in he'll be in he base game thanks to the ballot. Mewtwo missed the base game because he hadn't been relevant in a while when the roster was made but then his popularity surged back when Mega Mewtwo Y was revealed.

 

[Jetsurge]

Accidental doublepost

 

[ThatRedPlumber]

I literally joined Smashboards with one of my biggest intentions being to immediately pledge support to Dixie Kong and K. Rool. Both of these absolute gems of characters are tied for my most wanted newcomer for Smash Ultimate. Daddy Sakurai Please! Smash needs a 3rd DK rep more than anything!!

 

[Jetsurge]

I literally joined Smashboards with one of my biggest intentions being to immediately pledge support to Dixie Kong and K. Rool. Both of these absolute gems of characters are tied for my most wanted newcomer for Smash Ultimate. Daddy Sakurai Please! Smash needs a 3rd DK rep more than anything!!

Welcome. You're One of Us now!

 

[pupNapoleon]

I literally joined Smashboards with one of my biggest intentions being to immediately pledge support to Dixie Kong and K. Rool. Both of these absolute gems of characters are tied for my most wanted newcomer for Smash Ultimate. Daddy Sakurai Please! Smash needs a 3rd DK rep more than anything!!

I still will never understand their lack of inclusion.

Perhaps I think the 90s are just fantastic from my own personal nostalgia.

 

[osby]

I still will never understand their lack of inclusion.

Perhaps I think the 90s are just fantastic from my own personal nostalgia.

If I recall correctly, a big part of the roster comes from 1990-1999 period.

 

[ThatRedPlumber]

I still will never understand their lack of inclusion.

Perhaps I think the 90s are just fantastic from my own personal nostalgia.

For me, it’s because Donkey Kong has been one of my favorite video game franchises since I was a kid and it honestly feels like something is missing from Smash with Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong bring the only 2 DK reps.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The N64 era honestly has almost no representation outside of a couple of Ocarina of Time nods, which is ironic considering the first Smash game owes its allegiance to that platform

 

[AngrySun88]

The DKC trilogy and DK64 are some of the games that helped define my childhood. It's almost criminal that Dixie and K Rool haven't been added to Smash yet.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

The N64 era honestly has almost no representation outside of a couple of Ocarina of Time nods, which is ironic considering the first Smash game owes its allegiance to that platform

It's shameful, it shouldn't be treated like the frickin' Virtual Boy. As such, Banjo-Kazooie have to be in here to help address this issue (also, at least 2/3rds of the DK Crew, though it'd be more gravy than anything else)

 

[mynameisBlade]

Never

Never say never.

 

[InASnowBoundLand]

Can any DK experts tell me why Kongs hate Kremlings so much? Kremlings love them!

Free hugs for all Kongs!

They even provide free head -- I mean hair cutting services. Just for Kongs!

 

[spoilerowl]

Who from the N64 era would there be to represent, though? A lot of the flagship series in that era were doing their first outings in 3D, and few of those actually introduced new characters, most just used the ones already established. I can only think of a couple legitimate candidates yet to be in - like Banjo, Skull Kid, and Paper Mario. The rest of the characters from major N64 games are either third-party or were previously established in the NES or SNES eras. This includes K. Rool. I suppose there's also Lanky/Tiny/Chunky, but there are like four other DK characters who would take priority over any of them.

In regards to DLC, I can see why people think if he's not in the base game he won't be DLC. If the Ballot and K. Rool's overwhelming popularity and support weren't enough to get him in the base game, I have a hard time seeing him made as DLC. But I'd still hold on to some hope, of course. The real worst case scenario is that he'll be an Assist Trophy. Becuase even if Waluigi gets the playable upgrade in the form of DLC, I can't see K. Rool having that same level of outcry, even with his popularity.

 

[Buzzwole]

I still will never understand their lack of inclusion.

Perhaps I think the 90s are just fantastic from my own personal nostalgia.

I think, as much as I hate to say it, that there is a bit of a bias towards characters created locally in Japan.
Characters created or designed outside of Japan seem to have a tougher time making it into the series for whatever reason.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The answer is Banjo.

He really should be a big target for inclusion for Sakurai to represent this era

 

[Buzzwole]

You know what would be nice is if Chunky Kong got at least a trophy this time around. That poor dude hasn't been seen in 3D since DK64.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

You know what would be nice is if Chunky Kong got at least a trophy this time around. That poor dude hasn't been seen in 3D since DK64.

The poor guy just can't fit in so far. That would be courteous, at least.

Though you can argue he doesn't want too much attention and just wants everyone to support Tiny first instead of him.

 

[spoilerowl]

SMASH DIRECT CONFIRMED AUGUST 8TH ON THE EVO STREAM

HYPE THRUSTERS ACTIVATE

 

[Bluehedgehog64]

SMASH DIRECT CONFIRMED AUGUST 8TH ON THE EVO STREAM

HYPE THRUSTERS ACTIVATE

Sauce?

 

[spoilerowl]

Check the EVO VODs, or the subreddit. It literally just happened.

No matter what happens or who is confirmed/deconfirmed, we'll be getting some new info. The time has finally come.

 

[Buzzwole]

ITS TIME, FELLAS.
ITS TIME.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

We might not get a character though.

There was a credible source, apparently, that said there would be an early August direct that just had game modes.

I can't remember if the date matches or not

 

[Snorkel the dolphin]

Mitch was right

 

[CJ Falcon]