KGD - The Kewkky Thread! - Kirby's Wasteland: Dead Social

[Kewkky]

Too bad, that's one more person who's not going to the first tourney I go to in a long while. fffffffffff

I HOPE the metro area guys go though. If not, I will be royally pissed and consider not going to any tourney, instead I'll use the money to enjoy my last 2 1/2 months in PR.

 

[SkylerSilver]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/***ing-magnets-how-do-they-work

Awwww. The censors changed the url.

Edit: The Kirby Boards is pretty quiet.

 

[Triple R]

Samus... Slight Advantage - The most experience I have with this matchup is playing Sago. I kinda would put this matchup at a solid advantage, but if the Samus is playing to win, it can be really annoying. You just have to play patient and solid. Slowly approach through her zairs and other projectile shenanigans and you should be able to overwhelm her when up close. I noticed that some Samus like to shdair when you're near, so through out utilts might be a good idea to avoid this. Be careful edgeguarding her. Don't let her get above you. Risking getting daired is never worth it. Bair spacing is always good up close. Just play this matchup slow but sure and you should be fine.

Jigglypuff... Solid Advantage - I'm going to be upfront. I have NEVER played this matchup in tourney, EVER.... I've only played it on wifi for the most part. Bair just seems to **** her. Killing her doesn't seem that hard either since she is amazingly light. Just be careful with her side b. It has godly priority and stays out deceptively long. Watch out for her fair offstage. It will kill you. If you are a melee player this may be hard to remember, since her kill move then was bair instead. It's never been used against me well, but I would watch out for dacus from her since it slides a bit. You can kill her several ways. Fsmash might work, but it is harder in this matchup because she is always in the air. Dsmash works well too, but kinda the same thing with Fsmash. Usmash is ok since she will be above you alot in the air. It gives you chances of trying to get under her and giving her the boot for the KO.

Zelda... Slight Advantage - This matchup is more annoying than anything. Don't get annoyed and you win. When you're at kill percents don't leave the ground. You trying to bair her to big of a risk then. The zelda can easily run up and just usmash you for the kill if you're not careful. Another note about her usmash, remember to shield the whole thing. Many people let go of the shield too early. The last hit strangely seems to shield poke alot too. In general just build damage and get her offstage. Once she is offstage force her to use her upb. If this happens she is under your control because of her limited options of angles. Just get her offstage again. Maybe a good zelda would be good at getting the ledge or something though. Her Dtilt can be annoying too. Just DI away when getting dtilted multiple times. SDIing away works the best and you should only take 2 hits at most. Also note you can bair through the hitbox of her side b.

Ganondorf... Solid Advantage - This is probably the matchup I have the most experience in tbh. I play with Breezy so much I could do this matchup in my sleep. I've also played DLA a couple of times too. The key is not to be intimidated by Ganon. If you take a solid hit or get read hard and take a bunch of damage, brush it off, don't cry, and pull yourself back together. It'll happen, but it's still just Ganon. Getting that low % percent grab is obviously very rewarding since Ganon is pretty heavy but be careful when going for it. If you like to shield grab alot to get that grab, you could be sorely surprised when Ganon gerudos you and makes you feel bad. The key is to short hop alot. Throw out some bairs and fairs and Ganon is pressured alot. This will prevent you from being gerudoed since you're off the ground a bunch. Now if you do happen to get gerudoed, take note that a dtilt is guaranteed on you afterwards. If they chose to dilt you, the safest thing to do is just DI and jump away as they might try to follow up with an uair. Avoid airdodging back to the ground for obvious reasons. This will likely get you gerudoed again. If they choose not to dtilt right away and your sitting there on your face, for God's sake don't roll EVER. First please just wait. That Ganon is antsy to hit you again trust me. They want to keep this string going. So they will most likely try to gerudo again or try to read a roll you aren't even doing if you just sit there. It's a Pro tip, trust me. Otherwise this just amounts to building damage and getting them offstage. On the first stop, just play it safe when edgeguarding. You last thing you want is for Ganon to be at 140% and you at 20% and you being gerudoed to death offstage. After you take the first stock you can be pretty risky by the ledge. Just watch out for uairs when Ganon is hanging from the edge and your trying to get him off of it. I can't of anymore to write right now. Just play smart and you can't lose. Also I'm going on the record and saying that Ganon is a terribly underrated character.


Also.... where was everyone for the Kirby chat today? > : (

 

[Kewkky]

I was at a tourney. After a very long time of not playing Brawl against regular tourney-goers, I found myself making it into top 5 anyway. I lost to Rated's Snake. Man, I was doing some very horrible things to him, chained so many hits in a couple of strings, made me happy I maining Kirby, but whoopdeedoo, 4-5 hits, a utilt, and my stock is now gone. And playing against Excel-Zero, I remembered why it was that I use more Kirby than ZSS in tourneys... If I haven't warmed up with her, due to her technical-speed-demanding play style, I just end up getting utterly ***** as opposed to Kirby.

 

[MikeKirby]

I hate how Snake just never dies! My God!!! It's not unusual to see him live to 200%. -___-

 

[Lord Viper]

I hate how Snake just never dies! My God!!! It's not unusual to see him live to 200%. -___-

Only if your scared of using a kill move that can be punish if used at the incorrect time he'll live that long. Other than that, most of the time you'll see mostly see around 120-160% when playing Snake depending on the stage. ★

 

[Kewkky]

I never let him live til 200% though, no matter who's using him he'll always die before 200% against me! But I DO hate how he can just shrug off the heavy high-level Kirby strings I do on him, and do the same back at me with a couple of tilts... And how he has the most broke-*** disjointed attack I have ever seen. If he didn't have that utilt Kirby would DEFINITELY have the advantage.... But my God, what was the Smash team thinking.

 

[SkylerSilver]

If he didn't have that utilt Kirby would DEFINITELY have the advantage.... But my God, what was the Smash team thinking.

Well he still has that ftilt which is also disjointed and ready to punish any mistake made by the puffball on the ground. =<

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Or at least in my experience xD

 

[Kewkky]

The ftilt is what I'm talking about... And the nair, and the bair. Hell, maybe even the dthrow as well! Just a two or three hits and chances are we're at 50-60%.

 

[Asdioh]

And then Kewkky had the realization that he didn't Hup Cancel NEARLY enough at this tournament.

 

[Kewkky]

Hah! I hup-cancelled a LOT against everyone! But this guy made me go back to Kirby's old and decrepit metagame and try spacing stuff and ****** with strings started from grabs or tilts... That's the last time I do that, I'm just gonna hup-cancel all day long even if they call me gay.

 

[Conviction]

Kewkky needs to come on AIM more :/

 

[Tiersie]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tko727

TKO playing random matches with RRR and I in the chat!

 

[t!MmY]

But my God, what was the Smash team thinking.

Kojima: That attack is not nearly fast enough. Haven't you guys ever played MGS2?
Programmers: Yessir, Kojima-san!!
Kojima: And what pathetic range! Do something about it - or did you forget what Snake did in Twin Snakes?!

 

[Kewkky]

Hey Asidoh.. The series isn't bad, but it's not what I was looking for so far. It's an interesting story, but what I was looking for was more along the lines of "insightful", not suspense or mystery. :/

I'll keep watching it though, dunno if I'll stop before I finish the second season though (still in the 7th* episode).


EDIT: Ugh, I can't watch it anymore... The main character is just so stupid. It frustrates me too much! I'm at episode 11, and I feel like clawing my eyes out whenever I see him pull another completely stupid stunt.

Spoiler

You pet a girl on the head, and she pushes you away and starts ging crazy. You pet her head again I don't know why and she vomits. Then you pet her head AGAIN and she pushes you away AGAIN. My God, I almost slammed my head against the wall. Also, all the while just repeating her name over and over and over again! I can't take any more of this, this isn't human behavior at all! D:

I can't watch it anymore, but I guess I'll keep watching it cuz I downloaded both seasons.

EDIT 2:

Spoiler

I keep thinking "SHUT UP! STOP TALKING! YOU'RE TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT STUFF YOU SHOULDN'T TELL ANYONE YOU IDIOT", but he just keeps on talking.

This is one very frustrating anime on many levels. Buuuut, I'll keep on watching I suppose. *episode 13*

Spoiler

But seriously, why is the main character so stupid? He just gets into worse situations due to his own ******** actions.

EDIT 3:

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Oooookaaaaay, I am now deleting the anime from my folder after watching the "axe incident" where he drops the axe on the murdered girl's body, gets it bloodied, picks it back up and is framed the murderer. I cannot watch this anymore, sorry Asdioh, but that story arc is just too much for me to bear. I can't keep watching it. >_> He was safe, no one suspected a thing! Then he started saying everything to everyone and putting himself in stupider situations. I'm done.

 

[Asdioh]

hmm, you have a point, a lot of it doesn't make sense, but there's also a reason WHY it doesn't make sense \(o_o)/

though the things you point out ARE funny, i just watched the first one you mentioned last night, and I was like "wtf are you doing dude"

edit: you're putting too much focus on the main character imo.

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the "main" character : P

 

[Asdioh]

So guys I'm playing Mafia in the disco room and I have no idea what I'm doing xD xD

/deadthread

 

[t!MmY]

I don't watch anime anymore...

Spoiler

I just Hup Cancel all day.

Edit:
This thread is never dead as long as you're here Asdioh.

 

[Zwarm]

Kewkky, I'm not sure if you gave up on Higurashi already, but honestly, from the episode you described onward, Keiichi isn't even in the episodes anymore, at least where I'm at, since it's backstory from before he came to the city. The "main" character has switched twice since then for me. He might come back, but for a while, he's not even in the episodes, so maybe try to keep going? I'm still really enjoying this show.

I'm not sure if any of that is spoiler, so I didn't mark it. I hope I didn't reveal anything on accident.

 

[Kewkky]

Thatd be good, that guy is such a huge ******. It frustrates me even more seeing as how in the anime, they went through so much trouble to show the viewer that he's a very smart person and top-of-the-class smart.

 

[Asdioh]

in a tiny classroom hehe.

Zombie, you haven't watched the whole thing? :O

(i watched all 50 episodes in 5 days straight first time i watched it)

 

[Zwarm]

Haha nope, I usually watch shows very slowly, like 2-3 episodes a day because my attention span sucks. I'm only on episode 18 or 19 right now, I think I started it a little less than a week ago, so I guess this is kinda fast for me.

Spoiler

Also, call me Zwarm,

 

[fromundaman]

Spoiler

I just Hup Cancel all day.

Awwww yeah!

Spoiler

Also, call me Zwarm,

Or Mini-OS from what I hear XD



Also we have a skype chat? I was unaware.

 

[Zwarm]

Or Mini-OS from what I hear XD

Nooooo. I can't be mini-OS, I still play ROB.

Besides, the people around here call me OverZwarm if anything, not that I like that either. :<

 

[WindMajor]

Also we have a skype chat? I was unaware.

Join it!

I was wondering why you weren't in the chat the last time I was in the skype chat.

 

[fromundaman]

Well, still no consistent internet, so I doubt I'd be on at the time we have those, but yeah, you might as well add me. Not sure if I'm there as David.Murat or Fromundaman, since I reactivated an old account and changed the name, but now both show up.


Heh, okay OZ, I won't mention it again. XD


EDIT:

Oh hey, remember that frametrap vs Pika I talked about months ago that my friend never uploaded? Well, I finally got my own device, so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8TM6gmzbM

(The rest of the match is nothing special. By which I mean kinda bad. Uploaded some other matches today too, but my good Kirby matches are pretty much never under 3 minutes, so not many of those on there.)

 

[Zwarm]

Raaaage.

 

[Tiersie]

Well, still no consistent internet, so I doubt I'd be on at the time we have those, but yeah, you might as well add me. Not sure if I'm there as David.Murat or Fromundaman, since I reactivated an old account and changed the name, but now both show up.


Heh, okay OZ, I won't mention it again. XD


EDIT:

Oh hey, remember that frametrap vs Pika I talked about months ago that my friend never uploaded? Well, I finally got my own device, so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8TM6gmzbM

(The rest of the match is nothing special. By which I mean kinda bad. Uploaded some other matches today too, but my good Kirby matches are pretty much never under 3 minutes, so not many of those on there.)

Wouldn't ledgehop counter that?

 

[Kewkky]

EDIT:

Oh hey, remember that frametrap vs Pika I talked about months ago that my friend never uploaded? Well, I finally got my own device, so here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8TM6gmzbM

(The rest of the match is nothing special. By which I mean kinda bad. Uploaded some other matches today too, but my good Kirby matches are pretty much never under 3 minutes, so not many of those on there.)

Landing a hammer like that must feel sooo gooood. IMO, it feels worse than a kirbicide for the opponent. I got no pikas in PR, so I guess I can't try it out. :/

 

[Triple R]

lol this is pretty funmy......

If you read the title of the video, the frametrap is suppose to be the Tjolt that Pika shields, and he then bairs Pika from behind. The frametrap isn't the hammer XD

I'm not sure how that is a frametrap though. Isn't a frametrap a situation where the person can't prevent themselves from getting hit? Couldn't the Pika just have held the shield button to block the bair too?

 

[Kewkky]

It was a frametrap, but it's not a guaranteed frametrap. What he did was force Pikachu to do an action by tjolting the stage constantly, and what he chose was to do a get-up which is invincible for him until he can move. if Pikachu would've done anything else, like ledge-drop or jump or roll, he could've made it onto the stage without dying, only getting hit by a tjolt. But, it was a frametrap because fromundaman made sure that as soon as Pikachu's invincibility frames ran out, he had an attack waiting for Pika that was going to kill him. Even if Pikachu left his shield button pressed, it wouldn't come out fast enough to protect him because he still had to finish the entire get-up animation... IMO, it'd work well with a more frametrap-friendly move like dsmash or fsmash, who have killer hitboxes that stay out for a long time, the hammer doesn't have a hitbox that stays out for a long time and it has a lot of start-up too, so either fromundaman got lucky, or he knows the move like the back of his hand.

And if it was the tjolt that Pikachu shielded, then I think that was a given since Pikachu does the same on all of his opponents. That's one of the main uses for tjolt, besides outcamping opponents: Shoot one, then follow it to your opponent and grab him when he shields the tjolt. :/

 

[Triple R]

Oh, I was confused what the frametrap was suppose to be. I didn't realize he forced the pika off the ledge with a tjolt. Now I understand what he was talking about. Why must he put vague descriptions like, "around 1:10?" Lol. I'm going to assume he got lucky XD. The pika could have done a get up attack or roll instead. But that pika over 100% get up was pretty slow, so maybe he had a chance to react.

 

[fromundaman]

Wouldn't ledgehop counter that?

He would have gotten hit with the jolt since he wouldn't have had getup invulnerability frames. Now I know, that's way better than a hammer, but he was trying to avoid damage and didn't see that coming.




And yeah RRR, it isn't a guaranteed hammer, but it IS a guaranteed punish, no matter what he does from that situation. He just did the option that allowed me to punish with hammer. Getup roll after 100% is so slow you see it coming from a mile away and would have gotten Fsmashed. Getup attack has a slightly different animation, and since it has ****ty range, charging Fsmash would also beat it.


@Kewk: A mix of luck and knowing hammer really well. I *really* like landing that move, almost as much as Ganon Utilt (Crazy underrated move!) XD

 

[@TKbreezy]

I got a couple of set's up on my youtube

2 Grand finals sets against SlikViks wario

1 reg set against Coney D3 (i got destroyed first match...lol)

 

[Asdioh]

Hey Asidoh.. The series isn't bad, but it's not what I was looking for so far. It's an interesting story, but what I was looking for was more along the lines of "insightful", not suspense or mystery. :/

I'll keep watching it though, dunno if I'll stop before I finish the second season though (still in the 7th* episode).


EDIT: Ugh, I can't watch it anymore... The main character is just so stupid. It frustrates me too much! I'm at episode 11, and I feel like clawing my eyes out whenever I see him pull another completely stupid stunt.

Spoiler

You pet a girl on the head, and she pushes you away and starts ging crazy. You pet her head again I don't know why and she vomits. Then you pet her head AGAIN and she pushes you away AGAIN. My God, I almost slammed my head against the wall. Also, all the while just repeating her name over and over and over again! I can't take any more of this, this isn't human behavior at all! D:

I can't watch it anymore, but I guess I'll keep watching it cuz I downloaded both seasons.

EDIT 2:

Spoiler

I keep thinking "SHUT UP! STOP TALKING! YOU'RE TELLING EVERYONE ABOUT STUFF YOU SHOULDN'T TELL ANYONE YOU IDIOT", but he just keeps on talking.

This is one very frustrating anime on many levels. Buuuut, I'll keep on watching I suppose. *episode 13*

Spoiler

But seriously, why is the main character so stupid? He just gets into worse situations due to his own ******** actions.

EDIT 3:

Spoiler

Oooookaaaaay, I am now deleting the anime from my folder after watching the "axe incident" where he drops the axe on the murdered girl's body, gets it bloodied, picks it back up and is framed the murderer. I cannot watch this anymore, sorry Asdioh, but that story arc is just too much for me to bear. I can't keep watching it. >_> He was safe, no one suspected a thing! Then he started saying everything to everyone and putting himself in stupider situations. I'm done.

so after rewatching this very part, I must agree with you. Even back then I remember it being the most confusing, and it still is to me even though I know the whole story. You're kind of missing out on what comes next arc (or the one after next arc) ... it's pretty intense.

Like I said, the show doesn't make a whole lot of sense until season 2, but it kept me interested.

 

[Triple R]

Guys, go to the general tier list thread. K Prime posted a way to get out of grabs really really really fast. This could make the ICs not as stressful as it used to be. I recommend checking it out.

 

[Kewkky]

For faster access, here is the whole shebang!

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Ok, so I found this really easy and fast way to grab break. First of off, you need set your d-pad to anything that helps you grab break. I set mines to shield and jump. When you get grabbed all you gotta do is use your index finger to hold the control stick in a direction like down, then start rotating the d-pad with your thumb and rapidly hit the c-stick with your other thumb. The direction you're hitting the c-stick must be different than the direction you're holding the control stick. This alone will break out of grabs almost instantly. You don't even need to rotate the control stick, just holding it makes hitting the c-stick count as 3 inputs every time. Doing this method also leaves a lot of your fingers free to hit other buttons like L+R and the face buttons to break out even faster!

This is really effective against the IC's and Olimar! Makes it really hard for IC's to cg at lower percents and makes it impossible for Olimar to throw after a grab at low percents. TRY THIS!!!

No trolling. I believe this will change the IC's MU and even the Olimar MU a little since he can't do his low percent grab combos anymore.

Here's a bunch frame junk:

Every time you rotate the d-pad that's 4 inputs, which is 32 frames subtracted from the grab hold.
Hitting the c-stick every time counts as 2 inputs, but if you're holding the control stick, it counts as 3 so that's 24 more frames subtracted. That comes to a total of 56 frames (almost a second!) every time you rotate the d-pad and hit the c-stick once. And you only need 90 frames to break out of a grab at 0%.

Video demonstrating how fast this method is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4pHZUJGG0k

I grab break at 200% in less than a second.

 

[Asdioh]

... O:

I've always wondered how high level players break out of grabs SO quickly. I doubt a lot of them actually do this, but man it will help.
My friend said hitting Z helps for him.. I don't usually hit that button when trying to break out, but then again I break out really slowly x_x

I might have to try this, though losing taunts will be depressing...

 

[MikeKirby]

Yeah, I'm kinda on the same boat with the taunts but if it will help productivity...

Rotating my thumb on the D-pad might feel kinda weird for me though =V but I gotta try this!
Would hitting left and right on the D-pad instead of rotating be just as productive?

I used to break free by rotating the Control Stick and slapping the C-Stick back and forth. You guys?

 

[Kewkky]

I might just make my Y button do dtaunt since I NNEEVVEERR touch it no matter what the situation. >:D

@ MikeKirby: I did the same, but I tried mashing every button known to inhabit the GCN controller at the same time, sometimes even start.