K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[BKupa666]

K. Rool fans should read this new translated post from SourceGaming...it's the initial design document for Smash 4, and needless to say, it has a handful of revelations for anyone interested in character selection and evaluation.

Spoiler

There are points on here that don't sit well with me (the confirmation of token "surprise" characters and these specific characters being the first ones locked in), but that's water under the bridge. What we can see here is how Sakurai uses "themes" to evaluate the uniqueness of a character, or at least the particularly gimmicky ones.

If you haven't yet put in your ballot or plan to put in others, consider listing off some themes K. Rool could use ("weapons user" or "traps and trickery," for starters) rather than just individual move choices. Doing the latter is possibly a contributing factor to Sakurai adapting the mindset of "the fans don't know any better, so I'll give them what they didn't know they wanted."

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

K. Rool fans should read this new translated post from SourceGaming...it's the initial design document for Smash 4, and needless to say, it has a handful of revelations for anyone interested in character selection and evaluation.

Spoiler

There are points on here that don't sit well with me (the confirmation of token "surprise" characters and these specific characters being the first ones locked in), but that's water under the bridge. What we can see here is how Sakurai uses "themes" to evaluate the uniqueness of a character, or at least the particularly gimmicky ones.

If you haven't yet put in your ballot or plan to put in others, consider listing off some themes K. Rool could use ("weapons user" or "traps and trickery," for starters) rather than just individual move choices. Doing the latter is possibly a contributing factor to Sakurai adapting the mindset of "the fans don't know any better, so I'll give them what they didn't know they wanted."

Theme for K. Rool.

Spoiler

Sexier than Zero Suit Samus.

 

[Someguyyoulikelydontknow]

K. Rool fans should read this new translated post from SourceGaming...it's the initial design document for Smash 4, and needless to say, it has a handful of revelations for anyone interested in character selection and evaluation.

Spoiler

There are points on here that don't sit well with me (the confirmation of token "surprise" characters and these specific characters being the first ones locked in), but that's water under the bridge. What we can see here is how Sakurai uses "themes" to evaluate the uniqueness of a character, or at least the particularly gimmicky ones.

If you haven't yet put in your ballot or plan to put in others, consider listing off some themes K. Rool could use ("weapons user" or "traps and trickery," for starters) rather than just individual move choices. Doing the latter is possibly a contributing factor to Sakurai adapting the mindset of "the fans don't know any better, so I'll give them what they didn't know they wanted."

Thank you for this. It may be playing a bit dirty, but I may subtley incorporate the idea of a "theme" for the character I voted for.

 

[Deleted member]

I...don't really see the big woop about K. Rool. I'd rather have dixie tbh...

 

[Sleeplost]

I...don't really see the big woop about K. Rool. I'd rather have dixie tbh...
>inb4 I get a million replies

You literally greentexted incorrectly. Greentext is a quote mechanic used to reference past actions or things said. Who or what are you quoting or referencing?
Not only that, but why the **** would you enter a K. Rool thread to post your "controversial" opinion? Attention?

 

[BKupa666]

I...don't really see the big woop about K. Rool. I'd rather have dixie tbh...
>inb4 I get a million replies

Is your mind open to our explanations of "the big woop about K. Rool" or are you simply trying to poke a beehive?

 

[Deleted member]

You literally greentexted incorrectly. Greentext is a quote mechanic used to reference past actions or things said. Who or what are you quoting or referencing?
Not only that, but why the **** would you enter a K. Rool thread to post your "controversial" opinion? Attention?

Sorry, I'll fix it. No, I actually do want him a little bit. It's just that...why?

Is your mind open to our explanations of "the big woop about K. Rool" or are you simply trying to poke a beehive?

I know who and what he is. I just don't he should be the #1 choice for a new DK rep. That's why I said that.

 

[Banjodorf]

Well, we do. And most of us also support Dixie.

Though I'd definitely advise appearing more open minded to explanation of our positions, for sure.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

When people walk up in the thread and are like "Why should I vote for that character?"
I'm like "Bish, have you even looked at the OP"

 

[BKupa666]

I was skimming a DKVine thread earlier and found a pretty good explanation of K. Rool's appeal specifically as a DK character by user Clutch. Hope it helps.

I had to do some self reflection on that before I voted (Banjo wasn't even a factor at the time), because like more than a few of us I want both K. Rool and Dixie in Smash Bros; they absolutely each deserve to be, both are characters I like immensely, and they both have qualities Smash's roster sorely lacks (being a major villain and female protagonist respectively). K. Rool's "Komeback" didn't even factor in much, because I fully expect that to happen eventually, with or without Smash. What ultimately got me is that being able to play as K. Rool is the more novel experience: He could appear in every Donkey Kong Country game from now on and never be playable, and the only other games in which we've had direct influence on K. Rool's actions are spin-offs where everyone has a very similar skill set. Smash presents the unique opportunity to control an amazing K. Rool boss fight.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

So, here's an interesting question: If K. Rool makes it in as a Ballot fighter before October, implying more time to vote, who will y'alls backup vote be for?

Bandana Dee and Wolf.

 

[Deleted member]

I had to do some self reflection on that before I voted (Banjo wasn't even a factor at the time), because like more than a few of us I want both K. Rool and Dixie in Smash Bros; they absolutely each deserve to be, both are characters I like immensely, and they both have qualities Smash's roster sorely lacks (being a major villain and female protagonist respectively). K. Rool's "Komeback" didn't even factor in much, because I fully expect that to happen eventually, with or without Smash. What ultimately got me is that being able to play as K. Rool is the more novel experience: He could appear in every Donkey Kong Country game from now on and never be playable, and the only other games in which we've had direct influence on K. Rool's actions are spin-offs where everyone has a very similar skill set. Smash presents the unique opportunity to control an amazing K. Rool boss fight.

I've never really thought about it like that. Being able to relieve a boss battle like that in Smash would be fantastic.

Now I need a Mario/Donkey Kong/Link/Kirby vs. Bowser/King K. Rool/Ganondorf/King Dedede match-up.

K. Rool fans should read this new translated post from SourceGaming...it's the initial design document for Smash 4, and needless to say, it has a handful of revelations for anyone interested in character selection and evaluation.

Spoiler

There are points on here that don't sit well with me (the confirmation of token "surprise" characters and these specific characters being the first ones locked in), but that's water under the bridge. What we can see here is how Sakurai uses "themes" to evaluate the uniqueness of a character, or at least the particularly gimmicky ones.

If you haven't yet put in your ballot or plan to put in others, consider listing off some themes K. Rool could use ("weapons user" or "traps and trickery," for starters) rather than just individual move choices. Doing the latter is possibly a contributing factor to Sakurai adapting the mindset of "the fans don't know any better, so I'll give them what they didn't know they wanted."

The thing is, "weapons user" and "traps" can already be filled by another potential contender in Snake. If Sakurai is looking for themes to decide characters on, that's something that can be given to a veteran that could return. We should find something else that can't be taken by a veteran for King K. Rool and try to suggest that.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Sorry I missed it. In a thread as big as this one, it's tough to keep track of everything everyone says.

I think, if Namco had the final say on K. Rool, they'd still do a great job. The Smash team already made a pretty good Diddy, and in Sluggers, Namco gave him some pretty faithful animations...he chucks his bat at the pitcher if you hit him with the ball, and one of his strikeout animations is playing dead. And that was just in the context of a spinoff baseball game.

Obviously you should read everything I post, BKupa. How dare you!!!

...but I mean it was a great conversation. It inspired some talk.

I agree Namco would do a fantastic job. My statement is that, perhaps the reason we did not see K Rool added at this point, or even Dixie, is that Sakurai had no one to go to who game 'the final word on what the real character is supposed to feel like.' My proposition is that, because Sakurai had no source creator to go to for approval, as he has stated he does for all other characters, perhaps he felt uncomfortable with the making a final call on characters so beloved, that he may have been less familiar with, as they are in the game.

If this is so- how can the kampaign progress? Things like getting RARE creators involved, etc, is my best solution. I think, even if it is not THE reason, that there is a reason, and that this had some contribution. He considers many characters- I think it must be a given he had thought about DK characters at some point.

I also think that, even down to the box art of the first game, he views DK and Yoshi both as extentions of Mario. I think emphasizing the differences may be helpful, as DK is not just Mario.


Also guys, remember when even smashboards admit gen1 was the best, via sprite inclusion? (Gen 2 being a stated extention of the original games, including the intention of them).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sorry, I'll fix it. No, I actually do want him a little bit. It's just that...why?

I know who and what he is. I just don't he should be the #1 choice for a new DK rep. That's why I said that.

Well then young'un, allow me to tell my tale~
Why K.Rool over Dixie? Well...Why not? K.Rool has more moveset potential, popularity and is a villain, not that I'm saying Dixie isn't a good choice mind you.

BKupa said this. "We aren't fighting for THE DK rep, but A DK rep. Should Dixie get in, we should all be cheering aswell" While we personally prefer K.Rool, we would certainly be happy if Dixie was included, and we don't consider her a threat to K.Rool because well, she's not a threat. Most of us wouldn't mind to start supporting Dixie after K.Rool's inclusion

 

[pupNapoleon]

The K Rool klan has always been the most supportive and positive fan group for smash character inclusion. From nostalgic delusionals to top contenders all voters fear, the Kutthroat Krew has always come out on top- in smash forum popularity around the world, and in the minds of all Smash players. We went from being for an "irrelevant, forgotten *Nintendo Allstar*, to being exposed as the NUMBER ONE likely character. Do you guys know what that means? All detractors who claimed agony against our king, immediately and universally acknowledged, the MOMENT popularity came into play, that our king was not only the hands down most wanted character, but that he had every reason to back himself up as a necessary and vacant Nintendo All Star.

I consider myself a main part of the krew, despite how rarely I post now and that none of you may know my avatar/handle/screenname (though that would sadden me). When Ridley boards were closed and lead with fury, we persevered with hope and logic. When minor IPs were given spotlight, we created a home for ourselves with a name, song, and our own humor. When we felt powerless, we showed the world this is not just a video game to us, and created an entire KAMPAIGN that has been acknowledged and supported by the top representatives of this industry and the character. Despite all odds and despair, we have never given up hope. We have faced every downfall, and have made every weakness a strength.

Regardless of our fate, which is nearly sealed, in my eyes, as the most fan-earned victory in all of Smash Bros history (read: highest character based victory in video gaming lead by the fans), we have won. We have proven that not only can K Rool not be silenced, but that he done what all of gaming tries to do- united us very different people for a singular cause of play and laughter.
Nintendo is driving their IPs home now- in crossover games, movies, and theme parks. We won. We already won. We showed them K Rool will make them money. If we stay strong and continue to cut our own path, continue to show the world that this Kroc will never leave our spirits, we will have him back. Nintendo sees who we are and what we are doing. We will win. We are merely a few directs away from accomplishment, and the hardest parts are over. Keep up the work Kremling Krew, we are going to receive our bounty once this voyage is done, and it is more glorious than just a character in this game, because we will have out King back into Nintendo as well.

If King K. Rool gets in, this thread will be the happiest one in the boards. I hope he does get in. He's not the only character that I want in, but he's the top Nintendo character I want in as of right now. King K. Rool has my non-voted support.

This post is brought to you as a response to this message.

 

[SmashShadow]

Bandana Dee and Wolf.

Add Isaac to that and those are the ones that I'll be supporting.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Theme for K. Rool.

Spoiler

Sexier than Ike fighting Little Mac with Ryu and Roy...swordfighting

one of those fixed posts.

I was skimming a DKVine thread earlier and found a pretty good explanation of K. Rool's appeal specifically as a DK character by user Clutch. Hope it helps.

Its funny...Squirtle and Ivysaur are needed for each other, and it will unfortunately mean they are probably gone from the series (though, Sakurai, please surprise me).
I do, however, think Dixie and K Rool help each other. The fact that they are nearly number 1 and 2 (or number 1 and number...4?) only showcases the oversight. Dixie needs to be similar to Diddy. She does. She is similar to him in the games, and it would be breaking all precedent to make her behave differently than Diddy, as she moves similarly in their own series.
This means, less development time. But including her OVER K Rool is a huge slap to a fan vote at its very premise. I think the lessened development time will end up aiding the both of them. It may mean K Rool takes some moves from others (the Miis have two he should have already anyway). I just... I see them both getting in. I do. Call it delusional, but I do. If for no other reason than the fact that its not that much more work, and that it would shock and surprise fans.

I know we were told 'several' characters, but literally, Sakurai said the same thing in the early game development. He will minimize work to add more wanted characters at many costs (not all, he has DLC standards especially).

 

[Thelimomon]

One of the biggest reasons why I prefer K. Rool, is that he would be a rather slow and strong heavyweight.
And I LOVE rather slow and strong heavyweights... And Villains, too.

Also, you would be surprised how many new supporters Dixie would get, if K. Rool is out of the way.
Most people here are DK fans in the first place. So it's only logical that a lot of people start to support the next DK character.
Of course, a lot of people would start to support other characters than Dixie, but a rather big handful will definitely start to support Dixie. ...At least, I know that I would start to support Dixie more, as soon as K. Rool is confirmed.
K. Rool is simply a very popular character from the DK franchise. And probably a little more popular than Dixie overall.

 

[Deleted member]

Well then young'un, allow me to tell my tale~
Why K.Rool over Dixie? Well...Why not? K.Rool has more moveset potential, popularity and is a villain, not that I'm saying Dixie isn't a good choice mind you.

BKupa said this. "We aren't fighting for THE DK rep, but A DK rep. Should Dixie get in, we should all be cheering aswell" While we personally prefer K.Rool, we would certainly be happy if Dixie was included, and we don't consider her a threat to K.Rool because well, she's not a threat. Most of us wouldn't mind to start supporting Dixie after K.Rool's inclusion

Wait, Young'un!? >:l eh, i'm fine with any fighter...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait, Young'un!? >:l eh, i'm fine with any fighter...

I only said young'un because you were new, I just looked at your age. Last time we said someone your age they were rather unpleasant by twisting our arguments by using Twilight Princess. Nice to see how...nice you are compared to others your age, you're pretty mature.

 

[Thelimomon]

One of the best things, when K. Rool finally is in Smash, is that things like these will pop up everywhere:

Spoiler

Donkey Kong: https://youtu.be/m_u9xjf5uaQ
Luigi: https://youtu.be/hy-YFNTT3J8
Ganondorf: https://youtu.be/wg0sJJwG5Ro
Duck Hunt: https://youtu.be/TDhVSsTLEnM
Pac-Man: https://youtu.be/CsiNPmB15VY
Dedede: https://youtu.be/U1QV5-OcrFg

EDIT: Featuring K. Rool, of course, but you probably thought so already.

 

[StormC]

I know opinions and all that... but I think anybody who prefers Dixie to K. Rool as the next DK character is kinda nuts.

K. Rool objectively has a lot more to offer in terms of gameplay variety and representation.

 

[BKupa666]

Everyone has their own preferences in the end. In any case, I personally have much more respect for anyone with the conviction to support one character before the other, even if it's not my first choice, vs. the "DK Rep" supporters. When the characters are so different and each have distinct traits you can point to to make them preferable and all you can bother caring about is their icon? Makes me think you don't care, and the common detractor talking point that "you don't like the characters, you just want a rep" is actually true in that case.

In terms of other characters, I loosely support Isaac, Dixie, Ridley and Wolf, and have put in single votes for each in a school lab. I'd be happy for those fans if those characters got in, but until he's in, my efforts will be entirely concentrated on K. Rool. This ballot is every character competing against every other character individually, and when this is all said and done, regardless of outcome, I don't want to feel like there was anything more I could have done to push the character to success. No bases left uncovered, no stone left unturned.

 

[Troykv]

Sorry, I already support other character (and don't exactly a super likeable one), but K. Rool is still one of my main picks for Smash DLC (and Bandana Waddle Dee because I'm a Kirby Fan xD), I find him a increíble and fun option with A LOT potential.

And... About the character that I support:

Spoiler

Is this girl called Micaiah.

And also I try to do a Twitter ;w;

http://www.twitter.com/Micaiah4Smash

Oh my fanatism... I could support more other characters... But actually she is my most wanted character.

Anyway... K. Rool for Smash and new DKC!

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Do you guys think we'll get another Nintendo Direct in August or the Beginning of November if they're going to announce the winners of the ballot?

 

[StormC]

Directs are bimontly so we're due for one in August. It'll almost certainly have Smash info since we have more DLC content coming out in August.

I don't think Sakurai is gonna just announce the ballot winners all at once. He'll certainly just keep dishing them out one at a time.

 

[Inawordyes]

If there's any more pre-ballot DLC (Wolf +1 perhaps? that will likely be revealed in August and released by the next Direct if not that day. October would be the next bimonthly and with the ballot having closed he could announce the highest-voted ballot character (obviously K. Rool) right then and there, with hints that more may be coming. December would be the next bi-monthly, but sometimes it's (seemingly?) delayed until January to talk more about the stuff coming up that year. Either way, this could also include more post-ballot characters, maybe release one and then reveal the next for as long as they have the capabilities to do so.

 

[Banjodorf]

Directs are bimontly so we're due for one in August. It'll almost certainly have Smash info since we have more DLC content coming out in August.

I don't think Sakurai is gonna just announce the ballot winners all at once. He'll certainly just keep dishing them out one at a time.

Yeah, we need more details and the release of Tourney mode after all. I'm actually really hype for tourney mode. I wonder if it'll have online functionality.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if one pre-planned and one DLC are revealed in both August and October, but that's not a prediction by any means and I'm keeping my expectations low.

pls Samurai can we have DKCLC month in October with K. Rool for ballot and Dixie for pre-planned with a Gangplank stage? I'd ****ing Kroc my pants.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

I only said young'un because you were new, I just looked at your age. Last time we said someone your age they were rather unpleasant by twisting our arguments by using Twilight Princess. Nice to see how...nice you are compared to others your age, you're pretty mature.

bruh, I'm the same age...

well not really bruh, more like sis, but bruh is funnier.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I just realized, does anyone plan on having a giant monster themed battle with Donkey Kong vs King K. Rool vs Bowser vs Charizard? it'd be like Nintendo's version of King Kong vs Godzilla vs Gamera vs Rodan. Just put it on giant mode and have the battle take place in Onett or something and you're good to go.

 

[StormC]

I just realized, does anyone plan on having a giant monster themed battle with Donkey Kong vs King K. Rool vs Bowser vs Charizard?

Once K. Rool and Wolf are added, I want to have a Sinister Six match up between

. The most notable playable antagonist in each of these franchises.

 

[Deleted member]

I just realized, does anyone plan on having a giant monster themed battle with Donkey Kong vs King K. Rool vs Bowser vs Charizard? it'd be like Nintendo's version of King Kong vs Godzilla vs Gamera vs Rodan. Just put it on giant mode and have the battle take place in Onett or something and you're good to go.

The image of Godzilla with a cape, crown, and blunderbuss amuses me greatly. And I need it in my life.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Once K. Rool and Wolf are added, I want to have a Sinister Six match up between

. The most notable playable antagonist in each of these franchises.

I wish Ridley and Kamek still had a chance... then all Original 8 characters would have their villains in the game.

 

[Hippopotasauce]

I know opinions and all that... but I think anybody who prefers Dixie to K. Rool as the next DK character is kinda nuts.

K. Rool objectively has a lot more to offer in terms of gameplay variety and representation.

I don't think it's completely crazy. I prefer playing as Diddy to all the heavy weights besides DK, so to want another fighter similar to one you already play as is alluring.
But I do think the positives of K. Rool outweigh that point here.

 

[StormC]

I wish Ridley and Kamek still had a chance... then all Original 8 characters would have their villains in the game.

#Evil845mash

 

[Bananija]

I wish Ridley and Kamek still had a chance... then all Original 8 characters would have their villains in the game.

Technically they still have a chance. Unfortunately, it's a really small one...

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Once K. Rool and Wolf are added, I want to have a Sinister Six match up between

. The most notable playable antagonist in each of these franchises.

I'll likley be doing that too.

 

[Shamurai Formerly]

I wish Ridley and Kamek still had a chance... then all Original 8 characters would have their villains in the game.

Ridley and Kamek at least are in the game in some regard. K. Rool remains at large... *eyeball expands*

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

Ridley and Kamek at least are in the game in some regard. K. Rool remains at large... *eyeball expands*

But that's bad thing for Ridley and Kamek and good thing for K. Rool. Being in the game in non-playable role (other than trophy) hurts their chances to become DLC.

 

[Kenith]

But that's bad thing for Ridley and Kamek and good thing for K. Rool. Being in the game in non-playable role (other than trophy) hurts their chances to become DLC.

No way to know if's that true. They probably won't enough support due to lack of faith to get in over other characters in the ballot.
Just keep wanting/supporting Ridley everyone...nothing will be gained from giving up on him forever.