K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Boxes_for_Sale]

BKupa has a point about the character choices. I mean all of the biggest arguments against K. Rool have been debunked in some way or another. If relevancy is a problem, then why is retro Pac-Man here? The only "new" Pac-Man has done in recent years is Ghostly Adventures and (fortunately) there seems to be no representation for that, instead focusing on classic Pac as well as his other Namco buddies. Plus I've heard people say that K. Rool belongs to Rare, which I believe is false, but even if it was true, Snake doesn't belong to Nintendo either, and hasn't been on a Nintendo console in years, yet he made it into Brawl with enough effort. My point is, if Shulk gets in this game and K. Rool doesn't, there's gonna be quite a lot of anger heading Sakurai's way. As popular as Shulk is, I'm doubtful that his fanbase is bigger than the Kroc King's.

 

[JFM2796]

K. Rool is really the only newcomer I want to see. There are other characters I support but that's mainly because I'd like to see their fanbases satisfied or think they would be a good fit for Smash, but K. Rool is the only one that I actually care about and want to see represented. Plus he could bring so much to the table from a gameplay perspective.

If K. Rool Donkey Kong gets no newcomer this time around the only conclusion is that Sakurai simply hates the franchise. Looking at previous Smash installments that doesn't seem like much of a stretch.

 

[Mistress Nicole]

I don't really think Sakurai hates the DK franchise since he DID dedicate a section of the subspace emissary to Diddy trying to get Donkey back.
Heck, if K. Rool was in the game he would have replaced Bowser as the thief of the banana hoard.

 

[The-Power-Within]

I think K. Rool would be an awesome addition to Smash. If he got in smash, I would main him like no one's business. Plus, seeing as Dixie and him are the only likely newcomers from DKC, I could see it happening.

 

[TitanTeaTime]

Honestly as much as I don't hate Chrom, if Fire Emblem can get a 3rd blue haired swordsman then DK should have a character who actually brings something unique to the table.

 

[Con0rrrr]

I don't think Sakurai not including K Rool or any new rep for that matter is him hating the franchise. He just may not deem it as important as others, and it's his game so we need to respect that sadly.

The only reason I could see for him not adding another rep is that he sees DK under the same Umbrella as Mario, Yoshi, and Wario, instead of as it's own franchise.

 

[BKupa666]

Let's be clear, Sakurai doesn't HATE the DK franchise, but if he's just indifferent to it, it's roughly the same end result: a token jungle stage, no new items, and maybe a mild surprise here and there, but nothing of much substance.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

It took me 13 years to 101% DK64. That original DK game kept me stuck for a while, and Beaver Bother, and Diddy's mechanical fish.

13 years to finish that? Guessing you were kinda on and off from the game since I did so in a much shorter amount of time (might've been 2 years, I forget).. Still, that's some nice dedication, to 100+% a game like that after that many years. (I guess it helped that I had some decent experience with the DK arcade on the Game Boy some years before doing the mini-game version of it on DK64)

Cheers.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Mac, Shulk, and Pac-Man may be cool but the only newcomer right now I'm looking forward to playing as is Mega Man. If K. Rool and Ridley(though mainly K. Rool) can make it in then I'll be even more happy and won't have to worry about maining as only one new character. Everyone else to me right now looks like nothing but a bunch of punching bags.

 

[BlueBubbee]

Two quick slightly unrelated questions:

1) Can I like get One of Us on iTunes or something? What are your Hope and Think percentages for K Rool in the main roster? (Ex: Hope: 100% Think: 35%)

2) Who's the voice of Expand Dong Donkey Kong in One of Us...

 

[Xzsmmc]

I honestly hate leaks, because they spoil the surprise.
This is especially apparent with Smash Bros.

I'd rather be disappointed for a bit than be unpleasantly surprised when the game drops.

 

[BKupa666]

Heh, looks like GameRant is still backing K. Rool as a candidate. Glad to see media outlets out there still on our side, as opposed to just bashing Kremlings for no good reason like IGN.

 

[ChosenZelos]

Two quick slightly unrelated questions:

1) Can I like get One of Us on iTunes or something? What are your Hope and Think percentages for K Rool in the main roster? (Ex: Hope: 100% Think: 35%)

2) Who's the voice of Expand Dong Donkey Kong in One of Us...

1. I hope: 110%, my optimism is 200%. In reality, I think he's probably got around a 30% chance now.

2. Richard Yearwood

 

[pupNapoleon]

I have to agree. Call me selfish, it's complete bs IMO that characters like Chrom get priority over King K. Rool, who was (and still is to many) the main villain of the DKC series. K. Rool is long overdue and can bring so much to the table, it's such a shame.

THIS HASNT BEEN ANNOUNCED YET!!
This community needs to calm down.
I mean, eucalyptus isn't enough to inhale at this time for the amount of disdain at what hasn't happened yet.

Can we get some wii fit trainer in here to breathe us into a guided meditation, please?

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Heh, looks like GameRant is still backing K. Rool as a candidate. Glad to see media outlets out there still on our side, as opposed to just bashing Kremlings for no good reason like IGN.

That's good to know at least.

 

[cephalopod17]

I'm not counting out K. Rool yet (Or Ridley and Mewtwo). He is still pretty likely. Sakurai stated they are running out of newcomer videos. Not newcomers, there are very few characters that still have a chance without DLC, we are one of those lucky fanbases. I am still confident we are getting secret unannounced newcomers.

 

[a Link to the Forums]

Honestly as much as I don't hate Chrom, if Fire Emblem can get a 3rd blue haired swordsman then DK should have a character who actually brings something unique to the table.

Okay guys, we need to stop this "wouldn't be unique" argument about a lot of characters. Sakurai actually hasn't revealed Chrom yet, save your judgement for then. I highly doubt any newcomer will be a clone with nothing new to bringto the table. Just look at all the newcomers so far. Do any of them look at all clones? No, of course not. Don't get me wrong, of course K Rool would be unique, but does that mean others won't? Anyone can be unique if Sakurai invests enough time into them. Again, save your judgement about a character for when they are revealed.

1) Can I like get One of Us on iTunes or something? What are your Hope and Think percentages for K Rool in the main roster? (Ex: Hope: 100% Think: 35%)

Want: 95% More DK representation FTW!
Chance: 30% The limited roster size makes me doubtful of more than one DK reps when I already believe Dixie is in.

 

[pupNapoleon]

What is the point of the videos?
- Garnish hype for newcomers
- Introduce newcomers to those who are unaware of their origins
- Show Nintendo characters among other Nintendo charaters

Two out of three of those proves that characters such as Isaac, King K. Rool, Mewtwo, Ridley, etc, do not need videos, and that introduction videos (as they are called) are in fact useless.
Sure, it is fun to see them alongside other Nintendo veterans, but perhaps we will get to in another mode in the Wii U, or even the 3DS, as Sakurai said he was keen on these interactions.
We all know who these characters are, they've even all been in Smash bros before.
A character who has been in the series' before and is not making their debut does not even have much business having a video.

This is, of course, debunked by Palutena, who appeared in Subspace Emissary and Pit's Final Smash, but the notion is still pretty strong, I feel, that the videos are to garnish hype and introduce characters, which is again a restating of the characters we are GETTING unlocked, from the start, are the ones we are being shown now, and the ones who don't need hype, need no introduction, will make you scream to fight later in game and who you tortured yourself over not knowing if they were in the game- they are the locked characters in the game.

It just makes too much sense given the amount of appeal Sakurai puts into wanting to surprise his fans, but also cater to them.

 

[Mr. KoopaTurtle]

After Bowser Jr., K. Rool is the only other newcomer I care about.

I just want at least one of them in the game.

 

[JFM2796]

The only reason I could see for him not adding another rep is that he sees DK under the same Umbrella as Mario, Yoshi, and Wario, instead of as it's own franchise.

That reasoning makes sense too I guess. It's just that when DK is almost as big a franchise as Zelda at least in terms of sales (would probably outsell if it hadn't been relatively inactive for a few years) I feel it deserves to be treated at least with a similar level of attention as at least, I don't know, Fire Emblem? If the recent reboot for Kid Icarus warrants a new playable character I don't see why DKR shouldn't whether it's K. Rool or Dixie. Dixie would be easier to implement but K. Rool would bring more diversity to the roster, both gameplay wise and aesthetically. Besiddes aren't we getting a little sick of flavor-of-the-month newcomers, seeing as the only 1st party newcomer we got who is relatively old-school is ?

 

[JaidynReiman]

That reasoning makes sense too I guess. It's just that when DK is almost as big a franchise as Zelda at least in terms of sales (would probably outsell if it hadn't been relatively inactive for a few years) I feel it deserves to be treated at least with a similar level of attention as at least, I don't know, Fire Emblem? If the recent reboot for Kid Icarus warrants a new playable character I don't see why DKR shouldn't whether it's K. Rool or Dixie. Dixie would be easier to implement but K. Rool would bring more diversity to the roster, both gameplay wise and aesthetically. Besiddes aren't we getting a little sick of flavor-of-the-month newcomers, seeing as the only 1st party newcomer we got who is relatively old-school is ?

DK deserves TWO new characters, not just one. Sad thing is we probably will only get one (that said, one is better than nothing, and with all the Kremling love so far, K. Rool is right behind).

It took me 13 years to 101% DK64. That original DK game kept me stuck for a while, and Beaver Bother, and Diddy's mechanical fish.

I beat it 101% about ten years ago... except I was NEVER able to beat K. Rool. I found a save file online with 101% and I again tried to beat K. Rool again via emulator and I still couldn't beat him. I always mess up on Chunky Kong's part.

Admittedly the K. Rool boss battles are all quite challenging. Once you play them enough you can get used to them, but even Gangplank Galleon is a tough boss. And K. Rool Duel and Knautilus both are INSANE. I recently replayed Knautilus and I got lucky on that boss battle, but on my recent playthroughs a few months ago the Knautilus boss was by far the hardest for me. But replaying K. Rool Duel is hard no matter what. I also have difficulty beating K. Rool Duel.

 

[Bedoop]

Only game I ever 100% beat was Super Mario 64 DS.
...And it took me 3 Years and 2 Guides to beat.
*cries real tears*

 

[Kalimdori]

Sooo.... anymore word on that Chunky Kong footage claim?

 

[JaidynReiman]

Sooo.... anymore word on that Chunky Kong footage claim?

Yeah, it'd be nice to know if we could hear more about that.

 

[StupendousMike]

If relevancy is a problem, then why is retro Pac-Man here? The only "new" Pac-Man has done in recent years is Ghostly Adventures and (fortunately) there seems to be no representation for that, instead focusing on classic Pac as well as his other Namco buddies.

This argument doesn't really hold water, in my opinion. Pac-Man is in a whole different league when it comes to his iconic design. He's one of the most recognized characters in the world, and not just for video games. He's up there with Mickey Mouse and Superman, let alone Mario. K. Rool doesn't have that worldwide appeal on his side, though to be fair, very few video game characters do.

Plus I've heard people say that K. Rool belongs to Rare, which I believe is false, but even if it was true, Snake doesn't belong to Nintendo either, and hasn't been on a Nintendo console in years, yet he made it into Brawl with enough effort.

Not that it matters, since K. Rool is not owned by Rare, but Rare isn't a third party, like Sega, Konami, Capcom or Namco. They're a second party to Microsoft. Microsoft flat out owns them. And if we were ever going to get a Rare character in Smash Bros., Banjo & Kazooie would be the absolute first choice. Make no mistake about it.

My point is, if Shulk gets in this game and K. Rool doesn't, there's gonna be quite a lot of anger heading Sakurai's way. As popular as Shulk is, I'm doubtful that his fanbase is bigger than the Kroc King's.

Don't be that way. Shulk is cool. Besides, it irks me when people rail against certain characters just because other characters they wanted didn't make the cut. It happened with R.O.B. after Brawl's release and that's a shame. R.O.B. is cool, and was a genuine surprise. Sorry if K. Rool doesn't get in, but it won't be Shulk's fault if he doesn't.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Don't be that way. Shulk is cool. Besides, it irks me when people rail against certain characters just because other characters they wanted didn't make the cut. It happened with R.O.B. after Brawl's release and that's a shame. R.O.B. is cool, and was a genuine surprise. Sorry if K. Rool doesn't get in, but it won't be Shulk's fault if he doesn't.

I have absolutely no problem with new franchises getting representation whatsoever. The only problem I have is prioritizing existing franchises over other ones that are much bigger. Namely, Kid Icarus and Fire Emblem. DK is a far, far bigger franchise and deserves three reps before FE does. Not that I hate Fire Emblem, I absolutely love Fire Emblem. Star Fox didn't really deserve three reps in Brawl and Mother didn't deserve two. I mean, it took until Brawl for DK just to get two reps? That's ridiculous.

But as far as new IP's go, the only time I'd argue against a new IP is if I think a different new IP deserves to get in first. Namely, Golden Sun has been around longer than Xenoblade and is more popular as a whole. Now, if Xenoblade is part of the extended Xenoverse and Nintendo bought the rights to Xenosaga, that's a whole different ballgame, but I don't really believe that at this point.


Either way, I think Xenoblade is just fine getting representation. The only new IP I don't think should've gotten a character rep is Wii Fit. I'm even ok with Rhythm Heaven (I just don't think it should be Chorus Men; someone else in Rhythm Heaven would be better IMO).

 

[pupNapoleon]

It sucks that I almost want Sakurai just to announce we will in fact have hidden characters on the games; because I'm starting to get a big angsty of the incessant whining over the leaks in the pants from the leak leaked on this forum.

I don't think Sakurai not including K Rool or any new rep for that matter is him hating the franchise. He just may not deem it as important as others, and it's his game so we need to respect that sadly.

The only reason I could see for him not adding another rep is that he sees DK under the same Umbrella as Mario, Yoshi, and Wario, instead of as it's own franchise.

Let's be clear. It is not his game; sure, it is considered by many to be artwork. Yet it is also quite rightfully in the realm of commercialization, and that makes it consumer product, which means it is also ours. There is a balance. A scale. It is his creation, but our product, and he is doing his best to blend these well, but HIS game--- no. We wouldnt have this game without him, but he wouldnt have it without us, either (the opportunity to do any of this).

 

[JaidynReiman]

It sucks that I almost want Sakurai just to announce we will in fact have hidden characters on the games; because I'm starting to get a big angsty of the incessant whining over the leaks in the pants from the leak leaked on this forum.


Let's be clear. It is not his game; sure, it is considered by many to be artwork. Yet it is also quite rightfully in the realm of commercialization, and that makes it consumer product, which means it is also ours. There is a balance. A scale. It is his creation, but our product, and he is doing his best to blend these well, but HIS game--- no. We wouldnt have this game without him, but he wouldnt have it without us, either (the opportunity to do any of this).

Sakurai has practically ALREADY stated that we'll have hidden newcomers. "We're nearing the bottom of the barrel of new character videos that we've made." That like right there... "new character videos THAT WE'VE MADE" would definitely seem to imply that not every new character has a video, which means they'll be unlockable in the game itself and not announced prior to release. Which actually makes perfect sense. Granted, its not direct confirmation, but its a pretty big hint.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Sakurai has practically ALREADY stated that we'll have hidden newcomers. "We're nearing the bottom of the barrel of new character videos that we've made." That like right there... "new character videos THAT WE'VE MADE" would definitely seem to imply that not every new character has a video, which means they'll be unlockable in the game itself and not announced prior to release. Which actually makes perfect sense. Granted, its not direct confirmation, but its a pretty big hint.

Oh, I don't personally need any more confirmation for myself.
Having any understanding of marketing, psychology, or artistic endeavor would have made certain avenues he has taken this entire time a bit more clear.
Yet he has not directly stated these things, and since that is all that matters (until it is not), it would perhaps make the rooms less begrudgeoned.
Which is a word in my head and sometimes in life based somewhat on the pokemon and also on begrudgringly.
A las, I am optimistic.

 

[StupendousMike]

It sucks that I almost want Sakurai just to announce we will in fact have hidden characters on the games; because I'm starting to get a big angsty of the incessant whining over the leaks in the pants from the leak leaked on this forum.


Let's be clear. It is not his game; sure, it is considered by many to be artwork. Yet it is also quite rightfully in the realm of commercialization, and that makes it consumer product, which means it is also ours. There is a balance. A scale. It is his creation, but our product, and he is doing his best to blend these well, but HIS game--- no. We wouldnt have this game without him, but he wouldnt have it without us, either (the opportunity to do any of this).

Sure, there is a difference between commercial art and, say, a painting, but Sakurai is still a creator with a definitive voice. Robin is my favorite Batman character, but Christopher Nolan wasn't all that interested in him. So he felt no obligation to include that character in the Batman series he was making, even though the character goes back to the very beginning of Batman's story.

So while Sakurai is putting his creation up for our approval, and is and he is making a lot of considerations for what his fanbase wants in a game, it is still his game at the end of the day. He is under no obligation to include character just because we want them. All he needs to do is consider them, and decide for himself if he thinks they should be in. If he doesn't particularly care for King K. Rool, then he just doesn't. It's not a rebuke of the characters' fans, nor is it a statement against the Donkey Kong series.

The way I look at it is this: If I pay to buy an album from a band I like, it's because I like what they're doing. They wouldn't have a career without fans like me supporting them, sure, but that doesn't mean I get to dictate what they do with their music. They're making commercial art, but they are still the ones making it. Same thing with filmmakers and same thing with game designers. I like Masahiro Sakurai, and by buying his games, I'm communicating "keep up the good work! Can't wait for your next game!" I don't get to demand what characters make it in the next Smash. Sakurai does take fan consideration into mind, I'm 100% certain that's why Mega Man and Little Mac are in this game, but its his call, because it is, in fact, his creation.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Sure, there is a difference between commercial art and, say, a painting, but Sakurai is still a creator with a definitive voice. Robin is my favorite Batman character, but Christopher Nolan wasn't all that interested in him. So he felt no obligation to include that character in the Batman series he was making, even though the character goes back to the very beginning of Batman's story.

So while Sakurai is putting his creation up for our approval, and is and he is making a lot of considerations for what his fanbase wants in a game, it is still his game at the end of the day. He is under no obligation to include character just because we want them. All he needs to do is consider them, and decide for himself if he thinks they should be in. If he doesn't particularly care for King K. Rool, then he just doesn't. It's not a rebuke of the characters' fans, nor is it a statement against the Donkey Kong series.

The way I look at it is this: If I pay to buy an album from a band I like, it's because I like what they're doing. They wouldn't have a career without fans like me supporting them, sure, but that doesn't mean I get to dictate what they do with their music. They're making commercial art, but they are still the ones making it. Same thing with filmmakers and same thing with game designers. I like Masahiro Sakurai, and by buying his games, I'm communicating "keep up the good work! Can't wait for your next game!" I don't get to demand what characters make it in the next Smash. Sakurai does take fan consideration into mind, I'm 100% certain that's why Mega Man and Little Mac are in this game, but its his call, because it is, in fact, his creation.

There is a difference between "you" and "you all," which is lost, unfortunately, in the conjugation of the English language.
That said, Sakurai is quite heavily shown to be catering to fans, and he is not creating this game for himself- there's just not a way for me to view it that way. Birthing a person does not mean that you can do whatever you want to your child. It gives you a different relationship to it than the rest of the world has to it, yes, and to an extent it is 'yours,' but you do not 'own' it.

As for Christopher Nolan and those atrocities-

Spoiler

he did allude to Robin being in Batman, or rather, that Nightwing was portrayed by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Not the exact comic one, no, but one with the name of Robin, enough skills in common, and a freaking Baton-weapon tableaux in the batcave at the end of the final movie. I could go on, I shall not.

 

[StupendousMike]

There is a difference between "you" and "you all," which is lost, unfortunately, in the conjugation of the English language.
That said, Sakurai is quite heavily shown to be catering to fans, and he is not creating this game for himself- there's just not a way for me to view it that way. Birthing a person does not mean that you can do whatever you want to your child. It gives you a different relationship to it than the rest of the world has to it, yes, and to an extent it is 'yours,' but you do not 'own' it.

As for Christopher Nolan and those atrocities-

Spoiler

he did allude to Robin being in Batman, or rather, that Nightwing was portrayed by Joseph Gordon-Levitt. Not the exact comic one, no, but one with the name of Robin, enough skills in common, and a freaking Baton-weapon tableaux in the batcave at the end of the final movie. I could go on, I shall not.

I know all about conjugations, bro. You're talking to a professional writer. I be straight conjugating day and night, twenty-four-sev Just used myself in the singular for the sake of simplifying my example, and I think it still applies to my point of view.

And I never meant to imply that "owned it" or anything, just that he has ultimate authority on its creation, and he should.

And one last thing before I derail this wonderful thread full of wonderful people any further with my off-topic shenanigans:

Spoiler

Yeah, I know technically Robin is in Rises, but it's really more of a quickie in-joke, on par for with with that line about "yellow spandex" in the original X-Men movie. I mean, he's not Grayson or Drake or anything. It's more that he's filling the Robin role without actually being "Robin" even though they do the whole "you should use your real name" business. It's silly. I probably should have used Spider-Man 3 as my example, with Venom, since one of the chief complaints about that movie is how underutilized Venom is because Sam Raimi never intended to use him , but the character was practically forced upon him by studio pressure and fan demand. Which is why I'm okay with Sakurai passing over characters that don't seem to interest him, even if we want them. I want him to make the game he wants to make.

 

[BKupa666]

Heading out on vacation for the next nine days, so I'll only be in here sporadically. Keep up the Kremling Kampaign while I'm out, enjoy the Shulk reveal (and don't let the "OMG LETS SPAM OTHER SITES FOR MORE FOLLOWERS THAN KROOL" people get you down), and overall, have fun! I'll catch you on the flipside.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Heading out on vacation for the next nine days, so I'll only be in here sporadically. Keep up the Kremling Kampaign while I'm out, enjoy the Shulk reveal (and don't let the "OMG LETS SPAM OTHER SITES FOR MORE FOLLOWERS THAN KROOL" people get you down), and overall, have fun! I'll catch you on the flipside.

Well... I'll do my best. I'll be posting videos and articles on my site and Youtube, and I'll tweet about them. I'm not sure what else I can think of to tweet, though. I am thinking about working on other DK games and playing through the K. Rool boss battles in those games (DKL1-3, DK64; well I have played this one before and 101% it but I'll beat the K. Rool boss for once, and maybe actually replay the game and 101% it again), as well as King of Swing and Jungle Climber.

Oh, and I think I've got all the footage I need now... I had to download a few SSE cutscenes and get footage from DK64 and of regular Kremlings in DKC1-3.

 

[_Sheik]

That's true, although that could be interpreted two ways. . .is it two of the same boss appearing at once, or two separate individuals showing up at once? You'd think it's the former, just because it seems as though only one event flashes onscreen at a time, but it'd be great if @ _Sheik could come in here and clarify with his friend for sure sometime.

My apologies for the late reply, the fact is, he was wandering in Smash Run and then, as he noticed Galleom walking around, he was like "lolwut? what's this guy doing around here? Well then, here we go!" And fought him. Then a different boss (I don't recall what he said about it), appeared and he's had to fight the two of them at the same time.

 

[Octillus]

A thought just occurred to me, and I'm not sure if this has been covered in nearly 300 pages (though most things on Smashboards surely have) - do you guys think the lack of DK representation has to do with most of DK's games being produced primarily outside of Japan? Popularity of characters aside, I'm starting to wonder if internally, HAL/Namco/Sakurai eating burritos in the lobby tend to just not even think about it.

 

[JaidynReiman]

A thought just occurred to me, and I'm not sure if this has been covered in nearly 300 pages (though most things on Smashboards surely have) - do you guys think the lack of DK representation has to do with most of DK's games being produced primarily outside of Japan? Popularity of characters aside, I'm starting to wonder if internally, HAL/Namco/Sakurai eating burritos in the lobby tend to just not even think about it.

If anything it has to do with the fact that the DK franchise is often more closely associated with the Mario games. Another factor may be that the DK characters don't exactly fit as clones of one another. Diddy and Dixie would've worked before Diddy got elements exclusive to him, namely the Barrel Jetpacks.

In Melee, Diddy would've required more effort to develop, and as a newer character than other major characters to be represented, he was skipped over. He wasn't considered for a clone because he wouldn't fit as a clone of DK. In Brawl, we may not have gotten three reps because Sakurai planned for Dixie Kong to be teamed up with Diddy. That didn't work, and it may have taken up so much development time they weren't able to get a third DK rep into Brawl. Dixie didn't fit as a clone of Diddy due to the jetpacks either, and she didn't have any capable choice for a recovery move until Tropical Freeze (her hair twirl was always horizontal, not vertical).


Its incredibly possible Sakurai wanted to include more DK characters from the start, but there were simply other characters he felt needed to get in first, and none of the valid DK characters would work as last-minute clones so they were always skipped over. Again, Dixie would almost work but she didn't have a capable recovery move at the time. Its also incredibly possible the recovery move for Diddy & Dixie would've been throwing each other, when that failed they gave Diddy the barrel jetpack instead.

As for Star Fox getting three reps, again, last-minute clones. Wolf was very much last-minute and is speculated to be the final character completed for the game. He was less of a clone than Falco, but he was still a clone, and again as far as Dixie goes, Sakurai might not have known what to give her for a recovery move. Lucas and Ness? Lucas was already planned to be in Melee before Earthbound 64 was cancelled. Ness was kept because they didn't cut him in Melee. (If Sakurai needs room he might reconsider cutting Ness again, though.)


In this game, there is literally NOTHING keeping them from adding new DK newcomers. All of the signature rosters are filled at this point. Although its unlikely, its even possible we could get two DK newcomers, with Dixie just being finished from Brawl and K. Rool being added.

 

[bellboy64]

Heading out on vacation for the next nine days, so I'll only be in here sporadically. Keep up the Kremling Kampaign while I'm out, enjoy the Shulk reveal (and don't let the "OMG LETS SPAM OTHER SITES FOR MORE FOLLOWERS THAN KROOL" people get you down), and overall, have fun! I'll catch you on the flipside.

Have fun, man! I promise not to ruin too much of the Kutthroats' credibility while you're gone.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Heh, looks like GameRant is still backing K. Rool as a candidate. Glad to see media outlets out there still on our side, as opposed to just bashing Kremlings for no good reason like IGN.

I like that list of characters. All solid choices.

Also, nothing on Chunky yet?

 

[False Sense]

Two quick slightly unrelated questions:

1) Can I like get One of Us on iTunes or something? What are your Hope and Think percentages for K Rool in the main roster? (Ex: Hope: 100% Think: 35%)

So, in other words, a chance and want score, correct?

Chance: 50%

Personally, I think it could go either way. Kremlings in Smash Run help, I think, but then there's also limited roster space left at this point. We know we're coming down to the last few (Not necessarily because of Sakurai's comment. It was obvious that we had already seen the majority of the newcomers), and there's the Gematsu Leak to consider as well. So it's hard for me to strongly lean one way or another. But I think K. Rool has a good chance of being playable.

Want: 95%

Now, this is somewhat of an odd want score for me to give, since in reality, I'm not a fan of the Donkey Kong series. I haven't played a single game from the series. But I know how important the Donkey Kong series is and I know who K. Rool is. Personally, I believe K. Rool is one of the last true Nintendo All-Stars to not be present on the roster, and for this game to be able to accurately claim to be a collection of Nintendo All-Stars, I think K. Rool is necessary. Besides, it's clear that his inclusion is something many have wanted for quite some time now. It's a wonderful thing to see such a long held dream finally be realized.