K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Bananija]

1. I'd say that a ratio of 80:20 for all stars:unknowns seems healthy. It's good to have some oddball decisions, but the all stars are arguably more relevant to Nintendo and the roster.

2. They definitely give the roster a certain degree of personality that you don't see in a lot of other fighting rosters, which tend to be safer in terms of roster picks.

3. Ghirahim (the Zelda series needs a newcomer and, aside from Impa, this guys the best choice), Waluigi (because why not at this point point - we want the WAAAH!!!!!) and, although he ain't an AT, Ridley (Metroid rep + villain rep + the last A list Nintendo character to be added + he's a frickin' dragon).

4. Aside from Ape-Nesia, Legend Of The Crystal Coconut and Baby Kong Blues, I don't have enough experience with the show.

At this point, I really don't think I can take this needless waiting anymore. The spanner-in-the-works that was the Mii costume, the obnoxiously loud Shovel Knight supporters (no offence to the character, but the supporters can get a bit irritating), all these ludicrous fake leaks the lack of news from Nintendo are wearing down my patience,

Still, seeing all the bizarre but brilliant camaraderie in this thread has been a welcome comfort and I'll be very glad to see if all of our efforts as kutthroats finally pay off. Although I still want more, I'm happy to be part of the Kremlin Krew and be one of you...I am, right?

Now your one of us.

 

[Troykv]

Exactly... What characters do you considered "All-Star" (whatever if they are actually Ultra Nintendo Hard Franchises or don't Iin the Third Party's case)?

 

[Deleted member]

Say do you guys get so many down vote everytime you voice your opinion on reddit?

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Exactly... What characters do you considered "All-Star" (whatever if they are actually Ultra Nintendo Hard Franchises or don't Iin the Third Party's case)?

For me, as far as All-Stars that are not playable in Sm4sh go, I consider some remaining Mario characters (Waluigi and (Captain) Toad come to mind), K. Rool and some other DK characters (Dixie, Cranky, Bluster The Benevolent), Wolf, probably Ridley, probably Bandanna Dee, maybe Impa, maybe Isaac, and maybe Inkling, considering Splatoon's rising popularity. (and probably some others I'm forgetting).
As far as 3rd party All-Stars not in Sm4sh go, I consider Rayman, Snake, Banjo & Kazooie, maybe Bomber Man and maybe a Square character to be All Stars.

 

[Morbi]

Say do you guys get so many down vote everytime you voice your opinion on reddit?

It depends on whether or not my opinion is in line with the general consensus.

You know, I recently had a thought about the ballot:

Are we expecting too much out of it? What I mean is should we really expect them to announce them very soon, or give us 4 characters? Are we putting up our hopes too much in the ballot?

Note: When I say this, I don't mean K. Rool or any character. You shouldn't lose hope on that. But if we expect what we are expecting and don't get that, I think many will be disappointed.

It depends on what you expect. However, if you think about it, it is technically impossible to set your expectations too high. We have no idea what to expect and therefore we have no relevant precedent to support or justify our expectations. If you expect the sky to turn red tomorrow, your expectations are too high given the precedent of blue skies. However, with the ballot, we have nothing yet. Other than Sakurai's vague "we can't keep the team together forever."

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

So, Kutthroats, a few questions.
1: How important do you think it is to balance out the perceived all-stars (K. Rool, Mega Man, Mewtwo) with characters that are seen as 'unknowns' or 'dark-horses?'
2: Do you think these 'unknown' characters are important in making the Smash Roster stand out in some regards?
3: Which Assist Trophies that were introduced in Smash 4 would you want to see promoted next time?
4: Was there an episode of the DK Country cartoon when DK went rogue? (not manipulated like K. Rool - this seems like the only thing I vaguely recall about the show back when it used to air, even though I didn't pay close attention to it at all)


Then we'd get an expanded amount of DK bias in Smash 5 when the roster has the entire DK Krew and Dark Donkey Kong as one of K. Rool's Kommanders.

I imagine he'd make it 3D like DK64 and KI:U with a mix of exploring and fighting. Also plenty of bosses and challenges every now and then. He could also bring in some new enemies for the Kongs and also have them clash with the Kremlings and maybe even the Snowmads. I'd be interested as long as Sakurai captures the atmosphere of the DK world as faithfully as he can.

1. Somewhat. I usually always like the less iconic additions in Smash.
2. What does Smash need to stand out from? Its the only real fighter with a roster of iconic characters not made for Smash. Plus the different gameplay mechanics. Don't really need any more.
3. DAMMIT. Introduced in Smash 4. Can't pick Goroh, Starfy, or Tingle. I want Dillon playable I guess. edit - Also Takamaru. Because he's Takamaru and he is awesome.

 

[Arcadenik]

Exactly... What characters do you considered "All-Star" (whatever if they are actually Ultra Nintendo Hard Franchises or don't Iin the Third Party's case)?

What I am more interested in is knowing what characters Nintendo considers to be "All-Star".

 

[Sirfishe]

i think for a square enix rep, it should be geno. IDk, even though he isn't nintendo, he is part of a mario game. Just saying

 

[Burruni]

i think for a square enix rep, it should be geno. IDk, even though he isn't nintendo, he is part of a mario game. Just saying

Yes.
He is part of A, as in singular, Mario game. Alongside a throwaway cameo in Super Star Saga.

When Sakurai's made his push on rather iconic 3rd Party choices, it's far more likely to get someone from Final Fantasy (Cloud for the full scope of the series, or someone like Black Mage who is tied to the spin-offs and original games more... and had a redesign to take part of 2 Mario sports games.)

In my opinion, anyways.

 

[FEEHEELINGGS...Wo Wo Wo]

1. I'd say that a ratio of 80:20 for all stars:unknowns seems healthy. It's good to have some oddball decisions, but the all stars are arguably more relevant to Nintendo and the roster.

2. They definitely give the roster a certain degree of personality that you don't see in a lot of other fighting rosters, which tend to be safer in terms of roster picks.

3. Ghirahim (the Zelda series needs a newcomer and, aside from Impa, this guys the best choice), Waluigi (because why not at this point point - we want the WAAAH!!!!!) and, although he ain't an AT, Ridley (Metroid rep + villain rep + the last A list Nintendo character to be added + he's a frickin' dragon).

4. Aside from Ape-Nesia, Legend Of The Crystal Coconut and Baby Kong Blues, I don't have enough experience with the show.

At this point, I really don't think I can take this needless waiting anymore. The spanner-in-the-works that was the Mii costume, the obnoxiously loud Shovel Knight supporters (no offence to the character, but the supporters can get a bit irritating), all these ludicrous fake leaks the lack of news from Nintendo are wearing down my patience,

Still, seeing all the bizarre but brilliant camaraderie in this thread has been a welcome comfort and I'll be very glad to see if all of our efforts as kutthroats finally pay off. Although I still want more, I'm happy to be part of the Kremlin Krew and be one of you...I am, right?

Yes you are, welcome.

What I am more interested in is knowing what characters Nintendo considers to be "All-Star".

Besides the obvious ones (K. Rool,Issac,Bandana Dee,etc) and the assist trophies. I think we're running out of Nintendo All Stars, in fact I think Brawl was the last game that had some All Star newcomers. (,,,,,,,etc)
Sure,Smash 4 had some All stars (,,,,,), but lets be honest most of the newcomers are from recent games.

 

[Sirfishe]

Yes.
He is part of A, as in singular, Mario game. Alongside a throwaway cameo in Super Star Saga.

When Sakurai's made his push on rather iconic 3rd Party choices, it's far more likely to get someone from Final Fantasy (Cloud for the full scope of the series, or someone like Black Mage who is tied to the spin-offs and original games more... and had a redesign to take part of 2 Mario sports games.)

In my opinion, anyways.

I know cloud would be one but..... I be happy if sepiroth made it in lol

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Yes.
He is part of A, as in singular, Mario game. Alongside a throwaway cameo in Super Star Saga.

When Sakurai's made his push on rather iconic 3rd Party choices, it's far more likely to get someone from Final Fantasy (Cloud for the full scope of the series, or someone like Black Mage who is tied to the spin-offs and original games more... and had a redesign to take part of 2 Mario sports games.)

In my opinion, anyways.

Chocobo and Moogle as a team could also work. And Bub from Bubble Bobble. Because he's ****ing Bub from Bubble Bobble.

 

[Raxxel]

Server maintenance going on right now. Figure y'all should know.

 

[Joeyd123]

Yes you are, welcome.

Besides the obvious ones (K. Rool,Issac,Bandana Dee,etc) and the assist trophies. I think we're running out of Nintendo All Stars, in fact I think Brawl was the last game that had some All Star newcomers. (,,,,,,,etc)
Sure,Smash 4 had some All stars (,,,,,), but lets be honest most of the newcomers are from recent games.

Bandana Dee is not an all-star bro

And as for running out of all stars, a lot of the new characters come from the last gen console. In Sm4sh it was Rosa, WFT, Mii, (and you could say Bowser Jr even though he was originally on GameCube). However, we have 1 character like that on the Wii U and its Inkling. The Wii U has introduced 1 potential all-star compared to a lot more than that on Wii, Gamecube, and 64. They just don't have any quality new characters on the Wii U.

 

[Chandeelure]

Bandana Dee is not an all-star bro.

Yeah, sure, one of the most important characters of one of the most popular Nintendo franchises who also represents the species that appears in literally all the games of that franchise is not an all-star.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Yes you are, welcome.

Besides the obvious ones (K. Rool,Issac,Bandana Dee,etc) and the assist trophies. I think we're running out of Nintendo All Stars, in fact I think Brawl was the last game that had some All Star newcomers. (,,,,,,,etc)
Sure,Smash 4 had some All stars (,,,,,), but lets be honest most of the newcomers are from recent games.

You missed and I wouldn't consider Isaac to be an all-star. For all-stars they could put in the next game along with the ones you mentioned (not counting assist trophies and characters dismissed by Sakurai) there is Toad, Daisy, Paper Mario, Kamek, Dixie Kong, Cranky Kong, Donkey Kong Jr., Pauline, Toon Zelda, Ganon, Slippy, Peppy, Tom Nook, and many many Pokemon, and if we are counting Isaac as an all-star I'd add Wart, Jimmy T., Mona, Impa, Tetra, Skull Kid, Krystal, K. K. Slider, Karate Joe, and the Chorus Men. Also the Inklings will probably continue to get bigger and bigger, so I think we'll be fine. Though K. Rool should get in before all of them.

 

[Geno Boost]

Yes.
He is part of A, as in singular, Mario game. Alongside a throwaway cameo in Super Star Saga.

When Sakurai's made his push on rather iconic 3rd Party choices, it's far more likely to get someone from Final Fantasy (Cloud for the full scope of the series, or someone like Black Mage who is tied to the spin-offs and original games more... and had a redesign to take part of 2 Mario sports games.)

In my opinion, anyways.

I feel we are getting both of Geno and Black Mage if sakurai goes to square Enix to have a character because they both represent something completely different in the history and something important.

 

[Joeyd123]

Yeah, sure, one of the most important characters of one of the most popular Nintendo franchises who also represents the species that appears in literally all the games of that franchise is not an all-star.

Sakurai hates Bandana Dee and he is super biased to his own series

 

[Chandeelure]

Sakurai hates Bandana Dee and he is super biased to his own series

LOL
Your post makes no sense, ridiculous.

Also, you guys should stop talking about other characters in this thread.
This is the K.Rool thread, not the DLC general discussion + DK cartoon videos thread.

 

[Blue_Sword_Edge]

I didn't vote for the Bandana Dee, but I'll won't be mad if that's one of the Ballot voted fighters, even if K. Rool show up alongside of Bandana Dee.

 

[Deleted member]

LOL
Your post makes no sense, ridiculous.

pretty sure it's a desperate troll.
don't feed him.

 

[InASnowBoundLand]

Don't think Sakurai ever mentioned Bandanna Dee, positively or negativel. That reminds me, however, the japanese Sakurai complaint site (with K. Rool's article complaining about his absence) also had a page complaining about Sakurai's treatment about the Kirby series. From google translate, looks like they also think Sakurai pays way too much attention to his own games.

Also:

I'm thinking about making a survey to collect information about our community and other K. Rool supporters -- just for fun. Besides basic demographic information, what sorts of questions would you be interested in seeing? That is, if you could ask other K. Rool fans their opinion on a K. Rool/Donkey Kong/Smash Bros related topic, what would you want to know?

 

[CannonStreak]

Guys, take a look at this. It's about Directs.

http://nintendonuggets.com/iwatas-nintendo-direct-online-presentations-will-go-on/

I don't think we'll get a Direct for a while, which is a shame.

 

[Troykv]

So... I will try to organized them
Characters that are in a whole different level:

All Stars:

Characters that I'm dubious about their "All-Stars" Status:

Obsucre characters:

Other character that I'm unsure how calified:

 

[Arcadenik]

This is how I would categorize them...

Iconic All-Stars


Timeless All-Stars


Classic All-Stars


Modern All-Stars


Obscure All-Stars

 

[dangeraaron10]

As much as I'd like to get the topic back to K. Rool, I realize there isn't much to talk about, though it's nice knowing that Directs will return someday (maybe) but disheartening we might not see them for a while.

As for the "All-Star vs. Obscure" debate, all I can say is one thing:

Being All-Stars or Obscure characters prior to being in Smash is irrelevant once they join Smash. Once they become Smash characters, they become All-Stars. Hopeless, obscure, and outright dead series can receive a burst of life and fan interest once they appear on the Smash Brothers roster. It's a one way ticket to fame, hence why its such a coveted position to become immortalized.

And I am sure that's why all of us are here. To get our character immortalized.

Edit: Ask yourself, how many people, how loud would the voices be, for a new F-Zero game if Captain Falcon had never joined back in Smash 64? Would he even have been considered for future games? Now he's an icon, and you have a loud clamoring for F-Zero's grand return.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

So, who's excited about the possibility of K. Rool being a future antagonist of the upcoming Super Mario Bros. Z reboot? Something tells me that they would go all out with his character since crazy is that croc's middle name and he would be as much of a threat as Bowser in the future.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

Speaking of Pokemon why is the Pokken section always so dead? Anyway, I've always wondered, why is King K. Rool's right eye bloodshot?

Because the Kongs drive him bananas.

 

[Someguyyoulikelydontknow]

So, who's excited about the possibility of K. Rool being a future antagonist of the upcoming Super Mario Bros. Z reboot? Something tells me that they would go all out with his character since crazy is that croc's middle name and he would be as much of a threat as Bowser in the future.

I'm very excited. I'm personally hoping he'll be somewhere between Bowser and Metal Sonic. K. Rool may not be the toughest baddie, but he'll definitely give Mario and the Gang a run for their money. I want to see a fight filled to the brim with kannonballs, krowns, electricity, and anything else the krazy kroc can use to beat the good guys.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I'm very excited. I'm personally hoping he'll be somewhere between Bowser and Metal Sonic. K. Rool may not be the toughest baddie, but he'll definitely give Mario and the Gang a run for their money. I want to see a fight filled to the brim with kannonballs, krowns, electricity, and anything else the krazy kroc can use to beat the good guys.

Idk about that, almost all of K. Rool's battles were tougher for me than most of Bowser's or Ganon's.

 

[Someguyyoulikelydontknow]

Idk about that, almost all of K. Rool's battles were tougher for me than most of Bowser's or Ganon's.

True, but K. Rool does have a good blend of goofyness (Bowser), and toughness (Metal Sonic) personality wise. With MS being the most powerful baddie in the old series, and having MS represent the best a SMBZ villain can be in terms of strength, I definitely expect K. Rool to be up there a bit, at least for an arc or two.

 

[King_K_Rules]

Remember to keep kampaigning for K. Rool! Post on Miiverse, tweet and getting ballot votes, it all helps!

 

[BowserK.Rool]

True, but K. Rool does have a good blend of goofyness (Bowser), and toughness (Metal Sonic) personality wise. With MS being the most powerful baddie in the old series, and having MS represent the best a SMBZ villain can be in terms of strength, I definitely expect K. Rool to be up there a bit, at least for an arc or two.

Funny thing about Bowser's goofiness is that he was'nt always that goofy, especially during the n64 days.

 

[BKupa666]

I wonder how the "everyone's an All-Star" people would defend Brash the Bear in Smash? It would be entertaining, that's for sure.

For me, the term includes the main hero, villain and sidekick of Nintendo's major series (if each role exists in game; sometimes, more than one of each does, depending on the series), as well as the main hero of the slightly smaller, but still notable series. Within that criteria, you have different hierarchies, too...a sidekick like Diddy is going to outprioritize K. Rool, but Dedede is going to come before anyone but Kirby (technically an antagonist rather than a villain though).

Anyhow, a shoutout to the numerous guests I've been noticing checking out our thread over the past few weeks. Don't know who you guys are, but we hope you like what you see, and you're welcome to join in on our fun if you choose to become One of Us. Oh, and #KrocTheVote!

 

[SleuthMechanism]

Actually, Jigglypuff has a history of being one of the last characters worked on in all four installments. It's never been something conscious about cutting her or not, it's just that her ease to be made in comparison to other fighters puts her off til late in development.
But we never die.

I like how the icon gets bigger with every game.

Yeah, sure, one of the most important characters of one of the most popular Nintendo franchises who also represents the species that appears in literally all the games of that franchise is not an all-star.

I will never get waddle dee's "importance" he's an ascended joke character that's just been getting reoccurring cameos lately.(Honestly i was expecting bandana dee to have a more significant role than he did in triple deluxe based on dee supporters listing that game as evidence of significance) i don't dislike bandana dee but the "importance" argument is rather faulty.

 

[Burruni]

I like how the icon gets bigger with every game.

I will never get waddle dee's "importance" he's an ascended joke character that's just been getting reoccurring cameos lately.(Honestly i was expecting bandana dee to have a more significant role than he did in triple deluxe based on dee supporters listing that game as evidence of significance) i don't dislike bandana dee but the "importance" argument is rather faulty.

Started as a comical character, became the 4th slot playable, and then has been a side kick for the next two titles.
In terms of Kirby, he's on par of when this is a series where most characters only last for a game or two and he's stuck, with very noticeable popularity to help keep him stay.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Its starting to get even more common on the miiverse the "Vote X for the Ballot" posts. The Peach support group is filled with Daisy banners and the Fox one is filled with Krystal banners. Since our king apparently is falling behind on this, I will do more K. Rool drawings there cuz its fun. But I will not tolerate:

-"Dont vote X because it sucks". Anti-campaign is the worst. Just a bunch of salty people who hate a character they dont like getting attention.
-"Dont vote X vote for my character instead cause its better". This only makes your character look bad.

Shantae rules de miiverse anyways.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

All this waiting is a kroc, why does Samurai have to be so K. Rool?

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

All this waiting is a kroc, why does Samurai have to be so K. Rool?

 

[Joeyd123]

This is how I would categorize them...

Iconic All-Stars


Timeless All-Stars


Classic All-Stars


Modern All-Stars


Obscure All-Stars

Did you really just classify Toon Link as Iconic and not Bowser or Yoshi??

And I don't understand why you guys think Falcon is obscure. Sure his actual game might be. But he is like the most iconic Smash character. i have a lot of friends that are really casual and only played Melee, but Falcon sticks out to all of them.

And also I feel like Sheik and Roy are on a level of their own. They aren't all-stars in the slightest lol. (I still like them though.