K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

[Tortilla Noggin]

Not going to lie, but that Ganondorf face is the face of nightmares.

If it's the face of nightmares, why do I laugh uncontrollably every time I see that picture?

 

[BowserK.Rool]

I've been imagining what a Nintendo Theme Park would be like, and the more I think about it, DK would have to be one of the larger lands in the park. There's too many great ideas to limit it to a small area. You have the obvious Mine Cart coaster, but then you have ideas like a Rapids water ride with multiple paths taking you through different areas of the DK universe like a Zinger nest, the brambles, and the mines, and at the very end K. Rool has built a wall in the way of the exit so you have to go down the giant waterfall. Maybe you could have a Kids play area in the treetops with vines and other things to climb around in. There should be a Rocket Barrel coaster where the giant Bat is chasing you while your ride cart is going crazy, it could even be in the same mountain as the Mine Cart and occasionally you can see the other ride go by. And for the people who really like thrills, you could have a DK themed Sky Coaster, and all of this is in a wonderfully themed jungle with tons of realistic rockwork and streams.

I really hope that Nintendo Land in Universal Orlando makes a ton of money, because this is stuff that needs to happen.

There should be a Gangplank Galleon ship in the water area for you to go on with some pirate kremling models on board.

 

[LunarDistortion]

There should be a Gangplank Galleon ship in the water area for you to go on with some pirate kremling models on board.

That should be in the water park, alongside a drop slide where you go into an upside down Barrel Cannon that sends you speeding down a tree. Imagine this, but DK themed.

 

[BowserK.Rool]

That should be in the water park, alongside a drop slide where you go into an upside down Barrel Cannon that sends you speeding down a tree. Imagine this, but DK themed.

KAOS should be a fun ride too lol, you go in it and it shakes and turns.

 

[Koopaul]

I gotta agree with the group that find the hypothetical doomsday scenarios somewhat annoying. While it might prepare us for the "worst", some people run with it like it were a real possibility. Possibility =/= plausibility.

In other news, I Stumbled on some sort of Sakurai complaint page made by some very meticulous japanese fans...

Look at that! There's mention of Barbara the Bat! That's fantastic!

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

And I made another one It's beautiful

9.5/10 Needs more Kamek (Villains of Original 8).

 

[AncientTobacco]

But isn't Sakurai right on that? Cranky > DK Jr. > current DK. The manual for DKC mentions that the current DK is the original's (Cranky's) grandson, and there's an old, I think, Nintendo of Japan site relating to the Donkey Kong Country games, that supposedly mentioned how it was Cranky who passed his own name to his grandson.

Yes. Although DK64 had DK as Cranky's son for some reason (and thus a grown up Junior, I guess). All other games have Cranky as his grandfather.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's true. I haven't heard that before, but then again I haven't spent years studying Kong Canon (Sorry, was just looking at the Palutena Guidance for Ganondorf). Nintendo and canon don't really mix well together. Even for Ganondorf, Sakurai says there are multiple Ganon's just like there are multiple Links and Zeldas. I believe that is wrong and there is only one Ganon, just across multiple timelines.

Four Sword Adventures Ganon is a reincarnation.

Apart from that, they're all essentially the same individual, though one could consider the Ganons in the different timelines to be separate.

 

[CannaFizz]

If DK Jr. is Cranky's son, and current DK's father, then where is the actual DK junior now? Why's DK shown with his grandfather but not his dad?

...Is he dead? Did he walk out on the family? Did he become estranged from Mrs. Kong and not want to pay child support? Actually, how old is the DK we have now? In human years, not gorilla years.

Donkey Kong is deep, man.

 

[AncientTobacco]

If DK Jr. is Cranky's son, and current DK's father, then where is the actual DK junior now? Why's DK shown with his grandfather but not his dad?

...Is he dead? Did he walk out on the family? Did he become estranged from Mrs. Kong and not want to pay child support?

He simply changed his name like Cranky and now works in the showbiz under the moniker "Swanky Kong". Due to his profession he lives a very busy life, so Cranky had to raise DK in his stead.

Spoiler

Compare his facial features to DK/Cranky and his hairstyle to Wrinkly's. It actually makes sense.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

If DK Jr. is Cranky's son, and current DK's father, then where is the actual DK junior now? Why's DK shown with his grandfather but not his dad?

...Is he dead? Did he walk out on the family? Did he become estranged from Mrs. Kong and not want to pay child support? Actually, how old is the DK we have now? In human years, not gorilla years.

Donkey Kong is deep, man.

What makes it even more confusing, is the fact that both modern DK and DK Jr. (As a child) appeared in Mario Tennis 64 as separate characters.

Does this confirm that DK Jr. is a time traveler? What was he doing with DK? Did he want to spend more time with his son before his mysterious disappearance, or was he trying to find his way back home to Kongo Bongo by working with DK in a tennis game and regain his trust after abandoning him? Find out in the next episode of Crystal Coconut Z!

 

[ZenythSmash]

Even for Ganondorf, Sakurai says there are multiple Ganon's just like there are multiple Links and Zeldas. I believe that is wrong and there is only one Ganon, just across multiple timelines. @vaanrose would be the best person to ask for actual Ganon Canon.

Sakurai is basically half-right, all the 3 different Ganons from the Decline (LttP), the Adult (WW), and the Child (TP) timeline branches are resurrected variants of the one, and only, Ganon from the OoT.

the only Ganon that is BRAND NEW and REINCARNATED is the one after Twilight Princess (Four Sword Adventures), so that makes 2 Ganons that existed/existing in the timeline.

and seeing how Sakurai sees that there are more than 2 Ganons in Zelda, added Young Link in Melee with the now non-existent Adult Link from the same Zelda game, Sheik getting an updated design despite not being in any more mainline Zelda games after OoT, giving Zelda an attack she never used in TP (not to mention, it's Toon-related), and not replacing WW Link with the more updated recent Toon Link from Spirit Tracks shows that Sakurai doesn't care how timeline works in a spinoff about "trophy toys fighting other trophy toys" like Temco/Omega Force doesn't for Hyrule Warriors.

all the worries about the character not appearing due to being from the outdated part of the Era or Timeline branch and not being in the recent parts, isn't really that necessary.

 

[CannaFizz]

He simply changed his name like Cranky and now works in the showbiz under the moniker "Swanky Kong". Due to his profession he lives a very busy life, so Cranky had to raise DK in his stead.

I remember him, but actually looking at his official art, he definitely looks like someone who would run off with somebody else's wife.

We know what happened. Case closed.

 

[Handy Man]

If DK Jr. is Cranky's son, and current DK's father, then where is the actual DK junior now? Why's DK shown with his grandfather but not his dad?

...Is he dead? Did he walk out on the family? Did he become estranged from Mrs. Kong and not want to pay child support? Actually, how old is the DK we have now? In human years, not gorilla years.

Donkey Kong is deep, man.

My headcanon is that, one day, King K. Rool sliently kidnapped DK Jr. a bit before the events of Donkey Kong Country. He threatned to either request the banana hoard and let DK Jr. go, or he would take his life. DK Jr. kept refusing to give away the banana hoard, so K. Rool ended DK Jr.'s life. After that, he procedded to steal the banana hoard anyway, sending a letter to DK Jr.'s father (Cranky) about the tragic event that just unfolded. Cranky passed on the letter to DK Jr.'s son (Donkey Kong), and with that, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong set off to reclaim their banana hoard in honor of Donkey Kong's great father, DK Jr.. This starts the events of Donkey Kong Country, and also hints at King K. Rool's twisted and ruthless personality.

 

[FEEHEELINGGS...Wo Wo Wo]

If DK Jr. is Cranky's son, and current DK's father, then where is the actual DK junior now? Why's DK shown with his grandfather but not his dad?

...Is he dead? Did he walk out on the family? Did he become estranged from Mrs. Kong and not want to pay child support? Actually, how old is the DK we have now? In human years, not gorilla years.

Donkey Kong is deep, man.

Your profile fits your comment.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

What makes it even more confusing, is the fact that both modern DK and DK Jr. (As a child) appeared in Mario Tennis 64 as separate characters.

Does this confirm that DK Jr. is a time traveler? What was he doing with DK? Did he want to spend more time with his son before his mysterious disappearance, or was he trying to find his way back home to Kongo Bongo by working with DK in a tennis game and regain his trust after abandoning him? Find out in the next episode of Crystal Coconut Z!

Mario and Baby Mario are always together in SpinOFF titles; .. it's not really absurd to see that;

 

[CannaFizz]

My headcanon is that, one day, King K. Rool sliently kidnapped DK Jr. a bit before the events of Donkey Kong Country. He threatned to either request the banana hoard and let DK Jr. go, or he would take his life. DK Jr. kept refusing to give away the banana hoard, so K. Rool ended DK Jr.'s life. After that, he procedded to steal the banana hoard anyway, sending a letter to DK Jr.'s father (Cranky) about the tragic event that just unfolded. Cranky passed on the letter to DK Jr.'s son (Donkey Kong), and with that, Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong set off to reclaim their banana hoard in honor of Donkey Kong's great father, DK Jr.. This starts the events of Donkey Kong Country, and also hints at King K. Rool's twisted and ruthless personality.

...Jesus.

Your post reminds me of something though. This doesn't necessarily apply to you, but I noticed some people here interpret K. Rool as being a really serious, violent, evil villain. While he is supposed to be DK's crazy nemesis, I always thought he was played for laughs. Getting up after fake credits roll is supposed to be funny. Wearing costumes and adopting different personas is supposed to be funny. Challenging the Kongs to a boxing match and not being able to beat a single one in a fair fight was funny. So it's just kinda weird to me when people overstate his ruthlessness or even admit to finding him frightening (though I've only seen that once or twice).

Mario and Baby Mario are always together in SpinOFF titles; .. it's not really absurd to see that;

 

[Talpr1]

On the other hand, he stole the banana hoard to starve the Kongs, tortured DK by shooting cannonballs to him, and threatened to nuke their island. Not to mention how he feeded one of his underlings to a giant Klaptrap because he failed a mission. If he appears like a goofy villain it's because DKC is a series that doesn't take itself very seriously, partly because it's also aimed to kids. Mind you it's not like it's a bad thing, but if K. Rool was the way he is, but in different, more serious games(think Metroid or Fire Emblem) he would definitely appear much more brutal.

 

[Handy Man]

...Jesus.

Your post reminds me of something though. This doesn't necessarily apply to you, but I noticed some people here interpret K. Rool as being a really serious, violent, evil villain. While he is supposed to be DK's crazy nemesis, I always thought he was played for laughs. Getting up after fake credits roll is supposed to be funny. Wearing costumes and adopting different personas is supposed to be funny. Challenging the Kongs to a boxing match and not being able to beat a single one in a fair fight was funny. So it's just kinda weird to me when people overstate his ruthlessness or even admit to finding him frightening (though I've only seen that once or twice).

While King K. Rool can be silly, I feel like he also has that insane side to him. Notice how his plans always get more complicated with each of his appearances. In DKC1, he took the banana hoard. In DKC2, he kidnapped DK for getting the banana hoard back, and he thought no one could stop him. In DKC3, he kidnapped DK and Diddy and thought he had it for sure. By DK64, he was losing it and kidnapped everyone he could, after his plan of blasting DK Island failed from the Kremling's incompetence.

This shows that he was getting to the point where he not only wanted to destroy the Kongs, but also their entire island, erasing them from existence. Killing off DK Jr. sounds kinda dark and, I admit, uncharacteristic for Nintendo, but what's even darker is killing off the entire Kong family, which is what King K. Rool almost did in DK64. He can be silly, but in my perspective, that silliness comes from how warped his personality is. That's what I find so appealing about him as a villain. He goes to such lengths to accomplish things that other characters like Bowser would never dare to attempt, yet he never has a real motive other than annoying the Kongs. His personality is really off-the-wall in general, and that's what I like about him.

Also, Nintendo villains killing off other Nintendo characters is nothing new. Andross killed James McCloud and Ridley killed Samus's parents. So the possibility of King K. Rool killing off DK Jr. could be there, but unlike the other two, it's just a possibility and my headcanon. Just because it's dark and seems uncharacteristic of Nintendo, that doesn't mean it can still happen, because it has with other characters. It's also worth noting that the Star Fox franchise, at least the SNES and N64 games, doesn't take itself that seriously at all, like the Donkey Kong Country games. Yet, James still died prior to the events of StarFox 64 anyway. So just because a game could have a lighthearted tone for most of it, that doesn't mean it can be lighthearted for all of it.

 

[RomanceDawn]

K Rool is as comically silly as any cartoon villian. If you step back and think about the things he's done, yes it can seem really vile and evil if you put into the context of the real world. See but same can be said for Tom and Jerry.

Some people look at K Rool like Retro almost looked at the Country series when they were making it. Asking why would this be happening, how should this logically work, etc. That is until they stepped back and said "oh yeah, this gorilla just wants his bananas back."

Genocide, [laughs].

 

[Captain Fun]

K Rool is as comically silly as any cartoon villian. If you step back and think about the things he's done, yes it can seem really vile and evil if you put into the context of the real world. See but same can be said for Tom and Jerry.

Or Dr. Eggman. He has held the entire world hostage with a death laser, enslaves little animals making them his robot slaves, has tried multiple times to kill Sonic and friends, said some 'dark' things ("Stubborn little pincushion... give up and die already!") and yet he's still a comical character. K. Rool isn't any different to me, and that's how I like him.

 

[Pakky]

Or Dr. Eggman. He has held the entire world hostage with a death laser, enslaves little animals making them his robot slaves, has tried multiple times to kill Sonic and friends, said some 'dark' things ("Stubborn little pincushion... give up and die already!") and yet he's still a comical character. K. Rool isn't any different to me, and that's how I like him.

Dr.Eggman is terrifying. He is a one man empire, one man built a legion of robot slaves, space stations that house planets,and at one point a planet buster, just one man.

 

[CannaFizz]

I feel like it's wrong to try and isolate a character's actions and motivations from the works they appear in. The DK games are comical, and so is K. Rool. I feel like saying that he'd be serious if DK was a more serious series is kinda silly, because if you try and dissect a character's personality in a vacuum with no context, then things get dark in basically every kid's series. Like in Mario, Bowser tried kidnapping Peach and lying to his son about her being his mother. That sounds really messed up, until you remember that they're evil turtles who kidnapped the princess of a bunch of mushroom people, and their arch nemesis is a chubby Italian man who yells his own name.

Really, K. Rool is a fat crocodile who wanted to steal Donkey Kong's bananas. Or take over his island. Or something. Looking into it much more than that feels like over-analyzing to me. Being comical is one of the things I like about him, anyway.

 

[AncientTobacco]

Relevant:

 

[Handy Man]

Or Dr. Eggman. He has held the entire world hostage with a death laser, enslaves little animals making them his robot slaves, has tried multiple times to kill Sonic and friends, said some 'dark' things ("Stubborn little pincushion... give up and die already!") and yet he's still a comical character. K. Rool isn't any different to me, and that's how I like him.

That's pretty much how I feel. Both Dr. Eggman and King K. Rool are very ambitious and can go crazy with their plans, but they like to "put on a show" in the process. They're two of my favorite gaming villains for a reason.

 

[Pakky]

That's pretty much how I feel. Both Dr. Eggman and King K. Rool are very ambitious and can go crazy with their plans, but they like to "put on a show" in the process. They're two of my favorite gaming villains for a reason.

Dr.Eggman builds an elaborate casino world for no one, but Sonic.

King K Rool somehow builds an entire lab to fight a bunch of apes.

Man I love how eccentric they both are.

 

[Bananija]

More @PushDustIn poll. You have one vote in it so choose wisely.

 

[Handy Man]

I feel like it's wrong to try and isolate a character's actions and motivations from the works they appear in. The DK games are comical, and so is K. Rool. I feel like saying that he'd be serious if DK was a more serious series is kinda silly, because if you try and dissect a character's personality in a vacuum with no context, then things get dark in basically every kid's series. Like in Mario, Bowser tried kidnapping Peach and lying to his son about her being his mother. That sounds really messed up, until you remember that they're evil turtles who kidnapped the princess of a bunch of mushroom people, and their arch nemesis is a chubby Italian man who yells his own name.

Really, K. Rool is a fat crocodile who wanted to steal Donkey Kong's bananas. Or take over his island. Or something. Looking into it much more than that feels like over-analyzing to me. Being comical is one of the things I like about him, anyway.

I hear what you're saying, but if you read the following link, you can see that Leigh Loveday, one of the writers of Donkey Kong Country, raises a possibility that King K. Rool wanted to steal the bananas in order to starve Donkey Kong. However, he also says that another possibility is that he just likes bananas himself, even though K. Rool says he hates bananas years later in Jungle Climber. King K. Rool has some different ways of looking at his character and isn't two dimensional, but if a Rare staff member thinks he stole the bananas to starve the Kongs, then that could show that K. Rool is at least somewhat serious about his actions. Here's the source:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020805...ite/talk_to_us/scribes/aug25_99/aug25_99.html

I can never take the Mario series that seriously, though. Bowser has never attempted anything on the scale King K. Rool has, the worst thing Bowser would do is take over the Mushroom Kingdom. King K. Rool not only wants to take over DK Island, it can also be interpreted that he wants to get rid of the Kongs in any way he can. Bowser respects Mario and Peach too much to rid of them, and as Miyamoto once said, the Mario characters are seen as a troupe of "actors". The DK characters could also be seen as actors, but unlike Mario, that's just a perspective and not a reality. Either way, King K. Rool outright hates the Kongs, so that says something to me and shows that there's no accurate way to protray King K. Rool. He can be very goofy and incompetent like in the show or very bossy and twisted like in DK 64.

 

[Bananija]

Is it one of you who voted for K.Rool and Shantea in the one character poll, because it's going to be deleted if you don't fix it?

I hear what you're saying, but if you read the following link, you can see that Leigh Loveday, one of the writers of Donkey Kong Country, raises a possibility that King K. Rool wanted to steal the bananas in order to starve Donkey Kong. However, he also says that another possibility is that he just likes bananas himself, even though K. Rool says he hates bananas years later in Jungle Climber. King K. Rool has some different ways of looking at his character and isn't two dimensional, but if a Rare staff member thinks he stole the bananas to starve the Kongs, then that could show that K. Rool is at least somewhat serious about his actions. Here's the source:

http://web.archive.org/web/20020805...ite/talk_to_us/scribes/aug25_99/aug25_99.html

I can never take the Mario series that seriously, though. Bowser has never attempted anything on the scale King K. Rool has, the worst thing Bowser would do is take over the Mushroom Kingdom. King K. Rool not only wants to take over DK Island, it can also be interpreted that he wants to get rid of the Kongs in any way he can. Bowser respects Mario and Peach too much to rid of them, and as Miyamoto once said, the Mario characters are seen as a troupe of "actors". The DK characters could also be seen as actors, but unlike Mario, that's just a perspective and not a reality. Either way, King K. Rool outright hates the Kongs, so that says something to me and shows that there's no accurate way to protray King K. Rool. He can be very goofy and incompetent like in the show or very bossy and twisted like in DK 64.

To his credit, Bowser did try to take over the universe two times.

 

[DJ3DS]

Is it one of you who voted for K.Rool and Shantea in the one character poll, because it's going to be deleted if you don't fix it?

Loving these. There's several who have written a list of about four characters in the slot, and I don't believe it's down to lack of reading comprehension.

 

[Bananija]

Loving these. There's several who have written a list of about four characters in the slot, and I don't believe it's down to lack of reading comprehension.

That's there problem. Push explicitly said that there vote would be deleted if they don't change it.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Loving these. There's several who have written a list of about four characters in the slot, and I don't believe it's down to lack of reading comprehension.

This is stupid. *sigh*

 

[dangeraaron10]

Is it one of you who voted for K.Rool and Shantea in the one character poll, because it's going to be deleted if you don't fix it?

To his credit, Bowser did try to take over the universe two times.

Hey now, I may support K. Rool and Shantae primarily but I wrote "King K. Rool" Speaking of, no other character has as many different spellings in the poll that K. Rool has. Push takes them all into account, so we are good.

 

[BKupa666]

With regard to the seriousness of K. Rool, I think you can interpret it different ways, depending on the game. Overall, though, I object to the idea that, just because "it's a game about cartoon monkeys," it must lack any depth. That Rare occasionally had more serious tones in their DKCs (especially 2) made them way more memorable to me than they would have been if their games were just "Wacky Jungle Adventure 496." Honestly, the reason detractors and sites like IGN badmouth DKC is probably partly because they see the series as such a game, rather than digging deeper. In essence, they were cartoony platformers with atmosphere and storyline under the surface if you dig deeper.

K. Rool's leadership and actions fall under that...on the surface, he's a goofy crocodile who steals bananas, but, for starters, did he do it to starve the Kongs? What else was he doing to DK beyond the three seconds of cannonball torture during the rest of DKC2? Why do the Kremlings all have missing limbs and scars in DKC2? It's not some intricate masterpiece, but it's still deeper and more purposeful characterization than it's credited for.

 

[Travix Man]

Gregg Mayles uploaded the concept art of King K. Rool! https://twitter.com/Ghoulyboy/status/640574072250867712
https://twitter.com/Ghoulyboy/status/640574072250867712

 

[Schnee117]

Gregg Mayles uploaded the concept art of King K. Rool!
https://twitter.com/Ghoulyboy/status/640574072250867712

Damn he looks badass.

 

[King_K_Rules]

I like it a lot.

 

[Talpr1]

I'll admit I laughed hard

 

[RomanceDawn]

With regard to the seriousness of K. Rool, I think you can interpret it different ways, depending on the game. Overall, though, I object to the idea that, just because "it's a game about cartoon monkeys," it must lack any depth. That Rare occasionally had more serious tones in their DKCs (especially 2) made them way more memorable to me than they would have been if their games were just "Wacky Jungle Adventure 496." Honestly, the reason detractors and sites like IGN badmouth DKC is probably partly because they see the series as such a game, rather than digging deeper. In essence, they were cartoony platformers with atmosphere and storyline under the surface if you dig deeper.

K. Rool's leadership and actions fall under that...on the surface, he's a goofy crocodile who steals bananas, but, for starters, did he do it to starve the Kongs? What else was he doing to DK beyond the three seconds of cannonball torture during the rest of DKC2? Why do the Kremlings all have missing limbs and scars in DKC2? It's not some intricate masterpiece, but it's still deeper and more purposeful characterization than it's credited for.

There is nothin wrong with any of that but its clear the narrative in the Donkey Kong games isn't to be taken as seriously as say Star Fox, Metroid or honestly even Pokemon. Like when I read what's described above it sounds like a character from One Piece, insanely goofy with some strange quirk that has resulted from some super serious traumatic child hood.

While I'm sure the developers have their own ideas why the Kremlings are designed they way they are I very much doubt it's this really deep back story that we are intended to know or even take very seriously. The tone of the original trilogy does have that awesome, realistic moody atmosphere but the tone in content is as silly as anything else. The Kong's pop their eyes out when they are scared, the Rhino behaves like a dog and the spider has human shoes. But see for me that is where the charm comes in, these eerily realistic locals and environments but it's still behaving like a silly cartoon.

It's hard to take the story or imagined mythos too seriously when story points can't even stay consistent from game to game. DK island was once a massive Island with many environments that happened to look like DK, to a big DK faced rock with none of those environments and then to regular island.

K Rool is cool but he's no character from ABC's Dinosaurs.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Dr.Eggman is terrifying. He is a one man empire, one man built a legion of robot slaves, space stations that house planets,and at one point a planet buster, just one man.

And let's not forget this infamous line from him.

"Away, or else I'll make mincemeat out of you."

Just the way Bristow delivers this line easily makes Eggman sound so haunting in this scene.

 

[Uzume]

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I'll admit I laughed hard

DK Lite. Nintendo probably liked that name.