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K. Rool's Kremling Kutthroats: PM BKupa666 for an Invite to the New K. Rool Thread

Scoliosis Jones

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JaidynReiman said:
We don't really need much more of an explanation. I can go more in-depth, but it'd just explain each point that's all related to "Konami is an ********". Shall I attempt it?


Konami doesn't give a **** about their IP's except to make money off of them. Kojima has been royally screwed over by Konami, and he's the #1 reason why Snake was in Smash to begin with. They're not even regarding MGSV as "A Hideo Kojima Game" anymore. Right now, MGS is still a property that's making them money, and they'll not be likely to give up that crap any time soon.

Konami was willing to license off one old dead Hudson Soft IP over to Nintendo. This is true. Maybe they'd license off more, but again, these are dead IP's that Konami doesn't give a crap about. MGSV is still making them money, and its one of their biggest IP's. After Kojima leaves they'll still want to shove it off somewhere.


The big picture here is how Nintendo plays into this. Sakurai added Snake because of Kojima primarily. If they go to Konami to try and get Snake, they no longer have Kojima to deal with. First, Konami might attempt to make a ridiculous licensing deal to squeeze more money out of it. That's pretty bad as is, but let's say they're nice.


Kojima and Sakurai are friends. Kojima and Konami are at extreme odds with one another right now. With all the tension in the company right now, I don't think this is something Nintendo would want to get involved in at all, let alone the possibility of Konami charging an obscene amount of money to license Snake.

Then there's also one other factor--the game's rating. Brawl was rated T, this game is rated E-10+. Snake might just be the push needed to make that a T again, and they don't want to do that. So this is another factor they really need to worry about.


I also heard that it cost Nintendo a lot to contract David Hayter to do Snake's voice. Now with David Hayter no longer being used, Konami would likely ask them to completely re-record his lines with Keith Sutherland instead. Not sure how that would go. They might even want Snake to be updated to Big Boss's design to promote MGSV, which would also add to the development time for adding the character.
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I don't think some of those are as bad as you're thinking.

Sure, Kojima and Konami are at odds. But it's still his character. He still wants Snake in Smash. Why would he care if Sakurai managed to get him in? if they charge too much, that's one thing. But Kojima v Konami isn't really a problem the way I see it. Kojima is in full support of Snake in Smash.

Not to mention, we got Mega Man without his creator. Granted I understand Snake isn't the same as Mega Man in terms of getting added.

I don't think Snake would put the rating over the edge. I don't even think Brawl was rated Teen because of him. Melee was rated teen without him.

If we're going to talk money, Snake being in Smash alone makes Konami money. I mean either way, any company that wants their character in is in it for the money.

I understand the other points, but those are purely speculation and not necessarily going to be an issue. I think people blow the Konami thing out of proportion.
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Good stuff though for K.Rool though. Great to see some recognition!
 
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Scoliosis Jones said:
I don't think some of those are as bad as you're thinking.

Sure, Kojima and Konami are at odds. But it's still his character. He still wants Snake in Smash. Why would he care if Sakurai managed to get him in? if they charge too much, that's one thing. But Kojima v Konami isn't really a problem the way I see it. Kojima is in full support of Snake in Smash.

Not to mention, we got Mega Man without his creator. Granted I understand Snake isn't the same as Mega Man in terms of getting added.

I don't think Snake would put the rating over the edge. I don't even think Brawl was rated Teen because of him. Melee was rated teen without him.

If we're going to talk money, Snake being in Smash alone makes Konami money. I mean either way, any company that wants their character in is in it for the money.

I understand the other points, but those are purely speculation and not necessarily going to be an issue. I think people blow the Konami thing out of proportion.
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Good stuff though for K.Rool though. Great to see some recognition!
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I know that any company wants money. Konami is just really, really stingy with it right now. Konami is only in it tightly for making as much cash as possible regardless of how much of their fanbase they piss off. Other companies do at least want to innovate, but Konami right now doesn't give a crap about anything.



As for the rating... Melee may have had a T rating, but they heavily toned down this game to make it E-10+. They removed a Tharja trophy to avoid pushing the rating up higher.
 
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King K. Rool was one of the winners of the photo contest? Why is no one talking about THAT leak. I mean, it is coming straight from Nintendo. From Sakurai even!

GameXplain, pls. :troll:
 
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MorbidAltruism said:
King K. Rool was one of the winners of the photo contest? Why is no one talking about THAT leak. I mean, it is coming straight from Nintendo. From Sakurai even!

GameXplain, pls. :troll:
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GameXplain are being very hesitant right now after that whole Professor Layton fiasco.
 
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Alright, to be perfectly honest, while this Shovel Knight thing is a bit more... disconcerting then the average "leak", its nothing to seriously worry about. Now if Shovel Knight is the next character revealed, then we might have some good reason to worry somewhat. But I would just wait it out until PAX and see where it lies from there. I don't really think this guys anything more than a troll...




Also winning the photo contest was a nice change of pace. It definitely put a smile on my face seeing the King once again.
 
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JaidynReiman said:
I know that any company wants money. Konami is just really, really stingy with it right now. Konami is only in it tightly for making as much cash as possible regardless of how much of their fanbase they piss off. Other companies do at least want to innovate, but Konami right now doesn't give a crap about anything.



As for the rating... Melee may have had a T rating, but they heavily toned down this game to make it E-10+. They removed a Tharja trophy to avoid pushing the rating up higher.
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Removing that trophy was for different reasons than Snake would bring to the game though. That was for more of a provocative reason.

According to the rating for Brawl, it was rated Teen for Cartoon Violence and crude humor...neither of that seems exclusive to Snake. So I don't know that I would agree with the idea that it's Snake's fault that Brawl was rated T.

With the gaming industry, innovation has become...stagnant. It's not like Konami is the only company that doesn't innovate. Games of the same series are churned out every year with little changed to them. It's an industry norm now. Not saying it's good, but that's kinda the case here.

I think they're a bunch of morons myself. But to me, and several other fans out there, getting Snake in Smash isn't about honoring Konami. It's about getting a cut vet we really loved playing as back in the game. No matter what, at this point he's a Smash vet, and that should mean something.
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So that I may stay on topic...I don't believe the Shovel Knight rumor. I think that guy is full of hot air, and that you guys have nothing to worry about if I'm being honest.
 
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My my, Kutthroats, you can be hard to keep up with sometimes. I'm glad the collective thread has managed to calm down just when it seemed like it was ready to burst. Let's take this as a learning experience and rebound like we always do. If the Mii Costume didn't sink this ship, this rumor (which is becoming increasingly questionable to boot) certainly won't. I think a few of us here are just fed up with waiting and fuses are at their shortest.

I'm also really glad to see a pic with K. Rool was picked. Sure, it means nothing, but that's probably the nicest K. Rool related Unity pic I seen so I'm glad it was one of the Silver winners. It is indeed exposure, even if it means nothing regarding DLC. It's the sliver of optimism that we needed. As for those who want to make memes out of an entire thread based on a handful of posts, let them do what they want. This never stopped them before, and it never stopped us doing what we do best.

I see a few Snake supporters in here. I know Snake was mentioned by this person too, but Snake is no less ill effected by this than K. Rool is. We ALL know Snake is among the highest requested veterans, more so than Wolf I'd wager, and possibly most highly requested over all. There's the nasty Konami business, sure, corporate troubles that K. Rool has the luxury of avoiding right now so Snake fans have an even bigger mountain to climb, so all respects to you and good luck to get Snake back in Smash.

Edit: I swear I'm not trying to intentionally post on the tops of pages...okay I did intentionally try to be the top post on the 1000th page but still.
 
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CaptainAmerica said:
[I know some people are going to get mad telling me how much Sakurai is killing himself to make this game for us, but it seems more and more like he's making it for himself, regardless of what the majority of fans want. They're a company, and they still need to earn my business. As a consumer, I have a right to be angry about the direction a product is going. I'm not going to go spamming hate for Nintendo/various characters, but I'll vent my frustrations a bit here, and then keep my money right in my wallet. Besides, that'll say more than any number of votes on the ballot ever could.

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My thoughts exactly, it seems more and more like he's making it for himelf as his personal project lately rather than as a tribute to and celebration of nintendo history. When you're dealing with a big crossover like this it's no longer about you, it's about much MUCH more. It's about all of nintendo's rich library and the fans as well. One has to give proper respect to what they are dealing with and represent it fully and smash 4 i feel has missed a ton of opportunities in that regard. I dislike brawl severely as a game but one thing i feel it did right to a large degree was fanservice and roster selection.
 
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SleuthMechanism said:
My thoughts exactly, it seems more and more like he's making it for himelf as his personal project lately rather than as a tribute to and celebration of nintendo history. When you're dealing with a big crossover like this it's no longer about you, it's about much MUCH more. It's about all of nintendo's rich library and the fans as well. One has to give proper respect to what they are dealing with and represent it fully and smash 4 i feel has missed a ton of opportunities in that regard. I dislike brawl severely as a game but one thing i feel it did right to a large degree was fanservice and roster selection.
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^This, this is why I want Wolf in, because he's part of Nintendo's history and a great character. Same thing for Krool and all the other characters I want, they're all part of Nintendo's history. Shovel Knight is not. If Sakurai were truly doing the game to the fans desire, then Ridley would be in, so would Krool, and Wolf would be in, as well as Isaac maybe. Now he can redeem himself by putting Wolf in as a start, then adding in Krool.
 
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toadster101 said:
I have a bad feeling about this. If we get yet another third party character before K. Rool, I think I'm done with Nintendo. Not that I think Shovel Knight is a bad character by any stretch of the imagination, considering that it was my second favorite game of 2014 behind Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze. However, a third party character that has appeared in literally one game should not be given priority over a character people have been clamoring for since Melee. I've never subscribed to the notion that "my character is better than your character", but seniority should matter. K. Rool has been waiting long enough, and they're still stringing us along with ambiguous Mii costumes. Meanwhile, a character from 2014 can just march right onto the roster without any problems. Unacceptable.
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JaidynReiman said:
Keep in mind that there are five winners, with one main winner, and four others. The K. Rool one is just one of the four others. I just want to clarify this; its still good that we got chosen for one of them!
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To be fair none of the K Rool picks were as good as the actual Gold winner; that was very cleverly done and deserved it. I also think the Duck Hunt Co-op was a funny pic and was a cut above the others as well.
 
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PlayfulMushroom said:
Have I missed something?
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Some leaker that deserves little credit claimed that Shovel Knight is the next DLC character. Meanwhile, a picture with King K. Rool was choosen as the "silver winner" of the photo contest of Miiverse. Handpicked by the development team.
 
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I think it's no big secret now anymore that King K.Rool is a beloved character, but will this be enough for Sakurai to make him playable?
 
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From the PAX press release.

Thursday, August 27th at 8PM! Food, drinks, and video games await! Be the first to compete for glory in Shovel Knight's Challenge Mode against other party-goers! For more information, check out Nintendo's site right here.
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I think the everyone freaking out should take a lesson from the crocodile. The croc is patient and doesn't jump the gun at the slightest provocation. Nothing is set in stone. Just chill.
 
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So...

There might actually be some truth to Butt Butt.
 
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Now I'm not saying it's all of you, or hell, even most of you, but...


...some of you need to stop acting as though Shovel Knight would somehow stand in the way of K. Rool, as though getting anyone but K. Rool is a slap in the face to the fans, and as though K. Rool can't coexist with other DLC characters. I've been a K. Rool fan since day one, but it's a little disheartening. Really guys.

His day will come. No need to throw a fit if he's not the immediate next guy.
 
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Talpr1 said:
Why are people calling Shovel Knight "butt butt"?
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If you enter a secret code on the start screen of Shovel Knight, certain words in the dialogue will be replaced with "butt".

Both "shovel" and "knight" are one of those words.

EDIT: :4greninja:'d

Thanks FAL
 
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fed0ra7 said:
If you enter a secret code on the start screen of Shovel Knight, certain words in the dialogue will be replaced with "butt".

Both "shovel" and "knight" are one of those words.

EDIT: :4greninja:'d

Thanks FAL
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See, this is proof that Sakurai wouldn't add him since he would introduce swearing in the game :yeahboi:
 
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