"Justice Always Triumphs." - Ryu Hayabusa for Smash Switch! (Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive)

[jamesster445]

How likely is it that Ryu would be top tier? I feel like given his character type he's most likely going to be fast, strong, and a middle weight. He'll no doubt have zoning tools as well. I feel like he could be the best so far not including Joker (not sure how good Steve is).

Upper Mid

I would imagine the guy is good but has too steep of a learning curve to be top tier.

 

[iMACobra]

A new Hayabusa in Nioh 2! Long live the Dragon Ninja Clan!

Nioh 2 - Ren Hayabusa Boss Fight (Dream of the Demon)

Hidden boss fight in Nioh 2 DLC Darkness of the Capital, Ren Hayabusa the Dragon Ninja and ancestor of Ryu Hayabusa. Sub Mission: ""The Dragon Clan" in "The ...

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[Mr. Stevenson]

You know I’ve been thinking... Ryu’s demand clearly increased a hell of a lot ever since the Belmonts joined the roster, you think once Ryu Hayabusa gets added the same thing can happen to another NES icon... Bill Rizer, perhaps?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

You know I’ve been thinking... Ryu’s demand clearly increased a hell of a lot ever since the Belmonts joined the roster, you think once Ryu Hayabusa gets added the same thing can happen to another NES icon... Bill Rizer, perhaps?
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If Contra wasn’t Konami I would say yes but at this point in time, if next Smash happens and it’s Ultimate Deluxe like everyone thinks it will be, I think the Konami NES icon we get is gonna be Bomberman.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

If Contra wasn’t Konami I would say yes but at this point in time, if next Smash happens and it’s Ultimate Deluxe like everyone thinks it will be, I think the Konami NES icon we get is gonna be Bomberman.

Oh I’m very cool with that. Bomberman has always been one of my most wanted and he definitely deserved better than what he ended up getting.

But at the same time, Konami hasn’t really proven to be a hard company to deal with (at least when it comes to Smash), so I don’t really think two newcomers would necessarily be out of the question, specially when seeing that it wouldn’t even be the first time Nintendo adds two third parties from the same company in one entry.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

Oh I’m very cool with that. Bomberman has always been one of my most wanted and he definitely deserved better than what he ended up getting.

But at the same time, Konami hasn’t really proven to be a hard company to deal with (at least when it comes to Smash), so I don’t really think two newcomers would necessarily be out of the question, seeing that it wouldn’t even be the first time Nintendo adds two third parties from the same company in one entry.

I have 2 wonder if Konami bein so cooperative with smash is a PR move. They've certainly been some of the most generous third parties

 

[GoodGrief741]

You know I’ve been thinking... Ryu’s demand clearly increased a hell of a lot ever since the Belmonts joined the roster, you think once Ryu Hayabusa gets added the same thing can happen to another NES icon... Bill Rizer, perhaps?
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I do think after Hayabusa, Contra would take the spot of "next legendary NES franchise" and see a noticeable rise in support because of it, but yeah given Bomberman's previous popularity and the love he's been given by the Smash devs I'd expect him to take Konami's next spot.

 

[Wonder Smash]

You know I’ve been thinking... Ryu’s demand clearly increased a hell of a lot ever since the Belmonts joined the roster, you think once Ryu Hayabusa gets added the same thing can happen to another NES icon... Bill Rizer, perhaps?
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Very possible. Aside from Contra characters, there's also the Lee brothers from Double Dragon. I think either one of those could be next.

While Bomberman is another possible character, I don't actually expect him to be the next Konami character. I think in the end when it comes to Konami reps, both Bomberman and Bill have an equal chance of getting in, possibly at the same time.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

You know I’ve been thinking... Ryu’s demand clearly increased a hell of a lot ever since the Belmonts joined the roster, you think once Ryu Hayabusa gets added the same thing can happen to another NES icon... Bill Rizer, perhaps?
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Sometimes when a character gets added to Smash, sometimes people will try to find an equivalent to jump next to. When Ridley, a main antagonist of a Nintendo franchise popular with hardcore Nintendo gamers, a LOT of people flocked to K.Rool. Same happened to Banjo when K.Rool got confirmed since both were made by RARE. I know this sounds reductive, but it seems to hold true.

I have 2 wonder if Konami bein so cooperative with smash is a PR move. They've certainly been some of the most generous third parties

It likely is. I mean look at how much positive acclaim MS got when Banjo was revealed.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I have 2 wonder if Konami bein so cooperative with smash is a PR move. They've certainly been some of the most generous third parties

It’s notable also that Konami has a lot of corporate shake ups around a year and a half ago. It’s speculated that it has to do with Konami’s terrible image and how they handled the Kojima thing. Konami at its heart is a family owned business but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to listen to it’s board or shareholders and it’s easy to see why people would be upset with Konami and their treatment of employees on their gaming side diminishing their overall brand. Who knows? Maybe a redemption arc is on its way for Konami... I hope.

Digressing a little too far but I can’t help but wonder if the Koei-Tecmo takes that Vergeben mentioned date back to when Shifty was talking about it. Because if so we could probably set up a timeline for what CP# Hayabusa might be.

 

[DarthEnderX]

You know I’ve been thinking... Ryu’s demand clearly increased a hell of a lot ever since the Belmonts joined the roster, you think once Ryu Hayabusa gets added the same thing can happen to another NES icon... Bill Rizer, perhaps?

That's what I did with Ryu after Simon. It's what I plan to do with Bill after Ryu. And Arthur after that. And Kunio after that. And so on...

Konami at its heart is a family owned business

A yakuza family, but sure.

 

[Nesysli]

I like Bomberman and Contra but I'd love to rather have Goemon as the next hypothetical Konami rep instead. Such an underrated series, especially the SNES games; so glad they've been translated into English now to get the full experience.

 

[RETROROTER]

It’s notable also that Konami has a lot of corporate shake ups around a year and a half ago. It’s speculated that it has to do with Konami’s terrible image and how they handled the Kojima thing. Konami at its heart is a family owned business but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to listen to it’s board or shareholders and it’s easy to see why people would be upset with Konami and their treatment of employees on their gaming side diminishing their overall brand. Who knows? Maybe a redemption arc is on its way for Konami... I hope.

Digressing a little too far but I can’t help but wonder if the Koei-Tecmo takes that Vergeben mentioned date back to when Shifty was talking about it. Because if so we could probably set up a timeline for what CP# Hayabusa might be.

Talks about Ryu Hayabusa joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate started around the time of Terry Bogard entering Smash (so around November and December) I personally talked with Brew many times and he has told me that at the time Ryu Hayabusa was going to be the next fighter (Challenger Pack 5) and announced in 2019, that obviously didn’t happen. So time went on me and Brew started wondering what it is he exactly heard about Ryu Hayabusa joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. At one point we did think that Ryu Hayabusa was GOING to be in Fighters Pass VOL 1 and he was switched with Byleth but we figured that that wasn’t the case. Shortly after Brew told me he got a cease and desist from Nintendo to stop talking about Ryu Hayabusa coming to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Then around February 2020 I started hearing rumors told by insiders that a Ninja Gaiden 4 was in the works and also during that time Team Ninja had stated that they knew fans want more Ninja Gaiden and would love to give news on that at a later date. Afterwards, we saw that a Ninja Gaiden Sigma Trilogy was supposedly making its way to Nintendo Switch and PS4 in March 2021. So then fast forward to now, it was announced that Steve from the MINECRAFT series will be joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Steve himself lined up with a lot of old leaks, and finally Vergeben came back and said that discussions with Nintendo and Koei Tecmo in regards to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate did indeed 100% happen and because of Nintendo and Koei Tecmo’s relationship (Hyrule Warriors, Fire Emblem Warriors, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, and more!) he would be shocked if a deal fell through. So if I had to choose a Challenger Pack # for Ryu Hayabusa, I would say (as a prediction) that he will be Challenger Pack 8, with the Ninja Gaiden Sigma Trilogy coming in March 2021 that would be a good time to announce him around there to coincide with the release as well as doing it at TGA, if he is not announced at TGA then I will start having my doubts on whether or not he will be in just because of the whole M Rated logo censoring thing which normally wouldn’t be an issue but because we’re not getting regular Nintendo Direct’s anytime soon, it’s gonna be very hard for them to say “Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X NINJA GAIDEN” if they were to pull a Steve and announce a character on a random date and then have a Smash presentation on him, so I don’t know. He could definitely come as Challenger Pack 9 or 10, that’s totally possible, but since there are only 4 fighters left, he kinda has to show up sooner rather than later, and I hope that it’s sooner

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Talks about Ryu Hayabusa joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate started around the time of Terry Bogard entering Smash (so around November and December) I personally talked with Brew many times and he has told me that at the time Ryu Hayabusa was going to be the next fighter (Challenger Pack 5) and announced in 2019, that obviously didn’t happen. So time went on me and Brew started wondering what it is he exactly heard about Ryu Hayabusa joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. At one point we did think that Ryu Hayabusa was GOING to be in Fighters Pass VOL 1 and he was switched with Byleth but we figured that that wasn’t the case. Shortly after Brew told me he got a cease and desist from Nintendo to stop talking about Ryu Hayabusa coming to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Then around February 2020 I started hearing rumors told by insiders that a Ninja Gaiden 4 was in the works and also during that time Team Ninja had stated that they knew fans want more Ninja Gaiden and would love to give news on that at a later date. Afterwards, we saw that a Ninja Gaiden Sigma Trilogy was supposedly making its way to Nintendo Switch and PS4 in March 2021. So then fast forward to now, it was announced that Steve from the MINECRAFT series will be joining Super Smash Bros. Ultimate and Steve himself lined up with a lot of old leaks, and finally Vergeben came back and said that discussions with Nintendo and Koei Tecmo in regards to Super Smash Bros. Ultimate did indeed 100% happen and because of Nintendo and Koei Tecmo’s relationship (Hyrule Warriors, Fire Emblem Warriors, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, and more!) he would be shocked if a deal fell through. So if I had to choose a Challenger Pack # for Ryu Hayabusa, I would say (as a prediction) that he will be Challenger Pack 8, with the Ninja Gaiden Sigma Trilogy coming in March 2021 that would be a good time to announce him around there to coincide with the release as well as doing it at TGA, if he is not announced at TGA then I will start having my doubts on whether or not he will be in just because of the whole M Rated logo censoring thing which normally wouldn’t be an issue but because we’re not getting regular Nintendo Direct’s anytime soon, it’s gonna be very hard for them to say “Super Smash Bros. Ultimate X NINJA GAIDEN” if they were to pull a Steve and announce a character on a random date and then have a Smash presentation on him, so I don’t know. He could definitely come as Challenger Pack 9 or 10, that’s totally possible, but since there are only 4 fighters left, he kinda has to show up sooner rather than later, and I hope that it’s sooner

I’m not really sure on your credibility so I’m not going to touch on that but I’m not saying I don’t believe you because I have my reasons to believe you.

Really I just want to touch on the fact of the logo and the easy work around for that is to just use the old Ninja Gaiden logo from the NES days. Those were never rated above a T-rating so I doubt those would cause much fuss with the ESRB.

 

[MattX20]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOcMT_iPtY0 Billybo10K rated Hayabusa surprisingly high in his latest video

 

[RETROROTER]

I’m not really sure on your credibility so I’m not going to touch on that but I’m not saying I don’t believe you because I have my reasons to believe you.

Really I just want to touch on the fact of the logo and the easy work around for that is to just use the old Ninja Gaiden logo from the NES days. Those were never rated above a T-rating so I doubt those would cause much fuss with the ESRB.

OHHHHHH, I never thought of that, also I’m not a leaker, I’m just stating stuff that has happened already, if you want here are my conversations with Brew

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

OHHHHHH, I never thought of that, also I’m not a leaker, I’m just stating stuff that has happened already, if you want here are my conversations with Brew

I edited your post to condense your images a little bit.

But yeah that’s good to know, I never really knew about Brew until he popped up in Prime Sabi Drama Era but it’s cool to see he’s still around. I know the whole Sabi fallout effected a lot of people surrounding them, most of all the source that was helping that group out but still it is nice to know that Vergeben and Brew are on the same page. We got two insiders and a lot of evidence on our corner so here’s hoping we get some Hayabusa news in the next few months.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Ok well, it’s been a minute since anyone has posted so I’m just going to to pop in here to tag ole’ Billybae10K

You said in your recent video that you couldn’t really think of a gimmick that was really associated with Ninja Gaiden so I thought I’d let you know what my idea for the moveset is.

If you’ve ever played a Ninja Gaiden you know there’s a plethora of weaponry present in those games. They range from a regular Sword, to Dual Swords, to a Scythe, a staff, a Kusari-Gama, and even claws on the hands and feet called the Falcon’s Talons.

Now the reason I mention this is because, even though they can be used in any situation, each weapon has its own situation that is most useful.

For example, the Falcon’s Talons are fast and very precise. You’re gonna want to use this when taking down and focusing on one enemy. The attacks are shortrange and the focus attack itself is a barrage of attacks on a singular enemy, unlike other weapons. These are probably the most combo heavy weapons in the game with maybe the Kusari-Gama comingin a close second.

The Eclipse Scythe on the other hand has HUGE sweeping attacks that are intended to hit multiple enemies at once and do a LOT of damage with each swing. Each individual swing probably does the amount of damage that the Falcon’s Talons does x3 but it’s SLOW. You can run into a group of enemies and swipe them down with the Eclipse Scythe but if one dodges around you mid swing you’re going to have to reposition yourself. Its charge attack is this giant ground sweeping projectile which is fantastic for clearing the area super fast from a decent distance. The Eclipse Scythe is all about crowd control.

The Dragon Sword is probably the most versatile weapon. It’s not necessarily made for one on one fights but it’s not crowd control either. It’s the perfect middle. With each swing you have a decent area of affect but it’s nothing that’s going to hit 7-8 enemies at once. At most maybe 3. It’s the most basic of Hayabusa’s utilities but is easily the most user friendly. Being a perfect speed and strength for beginners. And it’s also super useful when you’re facing a tough enemy and just need something familiar. It’s charge attack attacks up to 3 individual enemies one by one. Attacking and killing the first before moving on to the next.

So, my idea for the character is actually quite ambitious. He’d basically be, well, Pokémon Trainer. Each weapon would have to drastically change his moveset for each. And even though you could say that gimmick has been done before it’s not quite the same. Basically the down special would swap between those 3, or any other combination depending on what Sakurai wants to use, and each individual weapon will have its pros and cons. Eclipse Scythe could be that stronger more Crowd control like weapon but have garbage for recovery, The Claws could be the reverse, and the dragon sword be right down the middle. If that were the path they would want to go down I would limit weapon changing to when you’re on the ground which, if I remember right, is how the actual games are.

Anyways, I just wanted to give you an idea for a moveset. Hopefully it could change your mindset on the character just a little but as I know you listed him at 20% on your want for him not appealing to you. I don’t know if this will really sway you honestly but I do implore you if it’s his fact as a Ninja that turns you off to look into his different weapons he’s used in the modern Trilogy. If it’s his costume then I implore you to look at some of his alternates in the modern Trilogy. Maybe those things will change your mind. If not, hey, no hard feelings. It’s good to see you around in the Isaac thread man and I’m glad you popped Hayabusa into your videos. And I appreciate you, hopefully, taking the time to read this.

 

[iMACobra]

I've always thought a weapon change mechanic (where it would only affect the A moves) would be a nice way to make Hayabusa unique and special as a DLC fighter but I felt like they could've done this for Byleth or would potentially do it for Dante or Monster Hunter instead.

Me personally, just the normal Dragon Sword moveset would be fine which is what they only used in Warriors Orochi and Warriors All-Stars. I'd also try to implement other modern Ninja Gaiden mechanics like Wind Run, Wind Path, Flying Swallow, Guillotine Throw (as in being able to grab opponents on the ground while airborne), combos that lead into Izuna/Underworld Drop from midair, Ultimate Techniques, Cicada Surge, shuriken combos/cancels, etc. All these could be implemented to make a moveset that isn't standard for a Smash fighter. Oh, also can't forget gimmicky stuff like water running and wall running that can potentially lead to more attacks. Including all these features may make him OP so maybe they wouldn't go crazy and include everything... Even if I'd really want them to...

 

[Wonder Smash]

Personally, I think the Izuna Drop being activated through a counter just like in the DOA games would be a good enough gimmick for Hayabusa.

 

[Brother AJ]

I said the same thing earlier in the thread about Ryu having multiple weapons. Not that it would necessarily be his mandatory "gimmick", but that it's just an interesting idea in the first place that we haven't seen before. A character that would always have the same weight, speed, and hurtboxes, but would change weapons for a completely different moveset.

Would Sakurai take the time and energy necessary to implement such a mechanic? Not sure. Perhaps just having one extra weapon aside from the Dragon Sword and/or only changing the A moves would work? On the other hand, looking at how much effort went into Steve, maybe he'll see the merit in fully committing to such a moveset.

All that said, I really don't think Ryu needs a gimmick to get in. Aside from Wonderwing, Banjo and Kazooie are as plain as day, and Byleth's directional weapons barely qualify in my eyes. They could easily give Ryu something small if they really felt they needed to.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I hope he doesn't. The last thing I want is for him to be like Pokemon Trainer, switching between multiple separate movesets.

 

[GolisoPower]

I personally would think it'd be less Pokemon Trainer and more Min Min. She can swap weapons on the fly, yet her attacks generally remain the same. If Ryu Hayabusa does have a weapon swap mechanic, it's be something of her level.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

They can make something similar to Hero, instead of Magic Points, they put “Spiritual Strength” or “Ninja Power” (it varies the name between names) and each special technique (called ninpo) consumes these “strength”. Here are some possible specials with the number of points it need each of them (reference: nes ninja gaiden trilogy usa manuals)

• throwing star (5 points)
• windmill throwing star (10 points)
• art of the fire wheel (8 points)
• fire dragon balls (8 points)
• invincible fire wall (15 points)
• vacuum wave art (10 points)

If you also include the modern trilogy, you need to add:

• art of the inazuma storm
• art of the ice storm
• art of the wind blades

 

[iMACobra]

We could also go with the Ki meter from Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge where filling it up, by dealing damage to opponents, will allow Ryu to cast a powerful Ninpo of your choosing like Art of the Inferno, Inazuma, Wind Blades, Ice Storm, Piercing Void, etc. Also could utilize Cicada Surge (teleport dodge) and Meditation (healing) to use up part of the Ki meter.

 

[DarthEnderX]

They can make something similar to Hero

PLEASE GOD NO!

Please stop adding resource management to characters that don't need it. They don't make Simon whip candles for hearts to use his subweapons.

 

[Oddball]

I tend to prefer characters that don't have a gimmick. Just design the character with a nice set of moves. No switching out weapons, no meters, nothing like that.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

As someone who finds Banjo & Kazooie the most fun DLC characters to play with, I agree that a character doesn’t necessarily need big and complex gimmicks to have a great moveset, but at the same time I kinda think they can make movesets a bit more interesting, so personally I’m ok with either way.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I mostly say this as someone for whom Erdrick was one of their most wanted characters, and then when I got him, he was basically unplayable to me. Between the navigating menus, random abilities and having to manage MP just to be able to perform even the most basic recoveries, he was the most un-userfriendly thing I'd ever played. It completely ruined playing the character for me. So even though I'm still glad he's in the game, I never use him.

I don't want to see that happen with Hayabusa.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

So I finished the original Ninja Gaiden on the NES awhile back and was thinking of checking out the other 2 NES games. The first one was brutal so I imagine the sequels are even harder.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I can't believe that someone on the newcomer speculation thread is arguing that Ryu Hayabusa doesn't have a history and legacy with the likes of Belmonts, Dragon Quest, Banjo, and Terry when he really does.

Koei's icon and mascot.
Strong history with Nintendo notably starting on a console of theirs (NES).
Among the last of the NES icons and ranking up there with the Belmonts.

LMAO.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

I can't believe that someone on the newcomer speculation thread is arguing that Ryu Hayabusa doesn't have a history and legacy with the likes of Belmonts, Dragon Quest, Banjo, and Terry when he really does.

Koei's icon and mascot.
Strong history with Nintendo notably starting on a console of theirs (NES).
Among the last of the NES icons and ranking up there with the Belmonts.

LMAO.

Lol! The Ninja Gaiden games is famous alone for being known as some of the hardest games on the NES so anyone saying Ninja Gaiden doesn't have a legacy don't know ****.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Lol! The Ninja Gaiden games is famous alone for being known as some of the hardest games on the NES so anyone saying Ninja Gaiden doesn't have a legacy don't know ****.

IKR? Doesn't know what he's even talking about.

His arguments and defenses regarding Terry notably who to my knowledge wasn't a requested character.

"Sakurai bias".

Despite the fact its been made clear many times Nintendo chooses the DLC in the end.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So I finished the original Ninja Gaiden on the NES awhile back and was thinking of checking out the other 2 NES games. The first one was brutal so I imagine the sequels are even harder.

2 is actually much easier.

For 3, the game itself isn't as hard as 1, but unlike 1, it has limited continues, which MAKES it harder.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

IKR? Doesn't know what he's even talking about.

His arguments and defenses regarding Terry notably who to my knowledge wasn't a requested character.

"Sakurai bias".

Despite the fact its been made clear many times Nintendo chooses the DLC in the end.

Well, technically Fatal Fury/King of Fighters is extremely popular in Latin America so a lot of Hispanics probably wanted Terry. I know they were real excited when he got in.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Well, technically Fatal Fury/King of Fighters is extremely popular in Latin America so a lot of Hispanics probably wanted Terry. I know they were real excited when he got in.

Perhaps but he wasn't up there with the likes of Banjo, King K. Rool, Ridley, and the Belmonts.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

Perhaps but he wasn't up there with the likes of Banjo, King K. Rool, Ridley, and the Belmonts.

True. But a SNK rep was probably quite requested in that part of the world.

 

[Mr. Stevenson]

Lol! The Ninja Gaiden games is famous alone for being known as some of the hardest games on the NES so anyone saying Ninja Gaiden doesn't have a legacy don't know ****.

I’d say the second installment actually has a bit of mercy on you, since you are given a special power up (I think they’re called shadow ninjas), that’s basically your shadow copying your each and every move, and can be quite handful specially when it comes to boss fights.

Edit: Whoops! Quoted the wrong message, my bad!

I can't believe that someone on the newcomer speculation thread is arguing that Ryu Hayabusa doesn't have a history and legacy with the likes of Belmonts, Dragon Quest, Banjo, and Terry when he really does.

Koei's icon and mascot.
Strong history with Nintendo notably starting on a console of theirs (NES).
Among the last of the NES icons and ranking up there with the Belmonts.

LMAO.

Ninja Gaiden has less of a legacy than Banjo-Kazooie?! Haaaaaa! Good one!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

In all honestly, as someone who wants Crash more, I find Ryu Hayabusa to be a more likely character tbh. I feel people have been overrating Crash's chances along with Dante.

Sometimes legacy and history can be chosen over requests as with the case with Dragon Quest and Terry.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

In all honestly, as someone who wants Crash more, I find Ryu Hayabusa to be a more likely character tbh. I feel people have been overrating Crash's chances along with Dante.

Sometimes legacy and history can be chosen over requests as with the case with Dragon Quest and Terry.

I don't. Crash is a gaming legend like Mario, Sonic, and Pac-Man so I think it's very reasonable to expect him next among legacy/western characters. Plus Crash has recently gotten a new game plus the N. Sane Trilogy and Nitro Fuel all being ported to the Switch.