Jungle Republic Mafia: To Clarify, the Werewolves Won The Game. Here Marks a New Age in Activity Reform.

[Rajam]

and if it was a joke it actually subtracts from your reasons to go against Lore

 

[Maven89]

Lore, you clearly have baited Mac into a constant back and forth over what was an incredibly minor point, then complained that Mac is tunneling after he engaged you. This is what I’m talking about when I said you’re acting exactly like J was he’s scum. Your defense was not in good faith at all

I forgot I mentioned J in this post. This time it was meant as an insult.

Here Rajam, I’ll help you out.

Lore, you clearly have baited Mac into a constant back and forth over what was an incredibly minor point, then complained that Mac is tunneling after he engaged you. Your defense was not in good faith at all

Do you get it without the J thing distracting you?

 

[Rajam]

Rajam
2. I really wasn't concerned with Tom. I had a town read (or feel, if you prefer) and FF disagreeing with him completely, pinged me. Since FF had not been present at all, I wanted to see where his head was at. Maybe he had just slipped. Tom flipping scum, further proved to me that FF is probably town, as his post smelled more like a town post than a bus.

Wait why Tom's flip makes FF town? Can't he be WW? Because you know he can't be WW?

Yo scumslip found

 

[Rajam]

Pythag ww => frozen not ww

 

[Rajam]

Rajam, you gonna be sticking around now that you’re caught up?

Z25 flips today where is your first look tomorrow?

If reading your post is correct it’s one of

RR/Maven?

Obviously this changes on night kill but gut instinct who’s your next lynch toMorrow

I still go with Maven not scum with Z25, and with my recent reading/posts, pythag has skyrocketed

Actually because pythag/maven and pythag/z25 are both plausible, i want pythag gone first


unvote
vote: Pythag

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Rajam why is Pythag not a goon, i’m down for offing him but I see goon not ww

 

[KevinM]

Will not be posting much today due to fantasy football draft weekend but rest assured I’m reading as I can.

Rajam analysis pretty spot on but my main problem is i don’t see Maven/Pythag currently, it’s what makes me want to lynch RR as the pivot slot if we aren’t just going full on Z25.

RR and Pythag slots I hated D1 but Pythag D2 didn’t make me as upset as RR. Idk

Rajam are you not worried about RR slot as much as I am? I really can’t shake that I feel I’m right on with one of RR/Z25 and I’m pretty much locked in to one of those slots toDay.

 

[KevinM]

Both Z25 and RR D2 is GRIMEEE Z25 much more egregious which is where I’m at in this game

 

[Pythag]

Wait why Tom's flip makes FF town? Can't he be WW? Because you know he can't be WW?

Yo scumslip found

Tom flipped anti town
FF was posting opposite views as tom
I already said FF didn't read like a bus.
FF posts seem very town.
I think that FF is town because of this.

Can you demonstrate why you think FF is WW/Mafia?

If not, why am I scummy for having the same conclusion as you?

 

[Z25]

I’m just popping in to say I’ve been reading the thread. I don’t have much to offer unless someone wants me to look into something. I’ll be here and away at times though as I’ve got things to do irl today

 

[KevinM]

I’m just popping in to say I’ve been reading the thread. I don’t have much to offer unless someone wants me to look into something. I’ll be here and away at times though as I’ve got things to do irl today

You’re potentially not the play today so you don’t have much to offer? This is why I hate your slot it seems like you’re only active for self preservation and you continue to show this very mentality

 

[KevinM]

Weigh in on RR/Pythag possibility or Maven/Pythag possibility

 

[Rajam]

Rajam why is Pythag not a goon, i’m down for offing him but I see goon not ww

Checked again my notes and at some point I discarded pythag as mafia because of #30 + #31 interaction with Tom, but yeah with no further stuff it's weak so I'm hereby now revoking this disconnection

I see werewolf-pythag because both town-pythag and goon-pythag would and should have considered FF as either town or ww after making the disconnection frozen-tom: basically not mafia, but any of the other two alignments, meanwhile only ww-pythag, knowing ff is not their partner and making the disconnection between frozen and tom, would thus put frozen only in the town pile. This is the scumslip i'm seeing

I think you bring a valid point at discerning whether pythag is mafia or ww, since we want to make sure we lynch werewolf. I stand by werewolf, given my above paragraph

 

[Rajam]

Will not be posting much today due to fantasy football draft weekend but rest assured I’m reading as I can.

Rajam analysis pretty spot on but my main problem is i don’t see Maven/Pythag currently, it’s what makes me want to lynch RR as the pivot slot if we aren’t just going full on Z25.

RR and Pythag slots I hated D1 but Pythag D2 didn’t make me as upset as RR. Idk

Rajam are you not worried about RR slot as much as I am? I really can’t shake that I feel I’m right on with one of RR/Z25 and I’m pretty much locked in to one of those slots toDay.

why can't werewolves be maven/pythag?

I admit Ryu isn't top priority atm, but that's mostly Maven/Z25/pythag's fault. On Ryu I'd have PoE (process of elimination), meanwhile the other 3 slots mentioned also have PoE reasoning + actual scumness

 

[Rajam]

Tom flipped anti town
FF was posting opposite views as tom
I already said FF didn't read like a bus.
FF posts seem very town.
I think that FF is town because of this.

Can you demonstrate why you think FF is WW/Mafia?

If not, why am I scummy for having the same conclusion as you?

I don't believe you were so sold on frozen being town that you completely dismissed the chance he could be WW. I mean we're D3 now and still can't dismiss that chance. I legit believe you scum slipped

I can demonstrate frozen can be scum: frozen/kevin, frozen/ryu, frozen/raxxel are completely possible, but actually it doesn't have anything to do with the point, being the point that you should've considered frozen could still be ww if you were town

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Votecount:

Z25: 2 (Maven89, Red Ryu)
Red Ryu: 1 (Pythag)
Pythag: 1 (Rajam)

Not Voting: 4 (FrozenFlame, Z25, Raxxel, KevinM)

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to hammer.

 

[Pythag]

I can demonstrate frozen can be scum: frozen/kevin, frozen/ryu, frozen/raxxel are completely possible

I’ve never said it’s not possible, of course it is. Literally anything is possible:
We don’t have a seer, and there’s two factions.

The question is do you BELIEVE he’s scum.
When the cards are down, you actually got s make a call on who you think is town / scum.

And your vote isn’t on him, nor have you tried to make a huge case against him.

I think FF is town.
You at least agree with that today, or at least you think he has a less chance of being scum than me, otherwise YOU would be voting him.

but actually it doesn't have anything to do with the point, being the point that you should've considered frozen could still be ww if you were town

I disagree, I think it has a lot to do with the point.

You get one vote, how and where you use it IS making a statement about who you’re considering more likely to be scum, and who is less.

You’re upset that I’m rounding my read %s up and down, because I thought that it should be obvious that “anyone could be anything” since we lynched the seer D1.

Would you rather I hem and haw and get to a terrible end game again? I’m not eager to experience that one more.

 

[Pythag]

I’m sorry I keep Messing up the quotes situation

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Alright sorry about the wait guys, I know this won't be maximally useful with how little time is left before deadline but I hope it atleast proves to be a good resource for yall going forward if I die tonight

anyway, glad pythag made this post because it gave me a perfect claim to test:

I've wanted RR dead since D1.

My town reads had been Mac, Kevin, and you.
Mac is gone and I'm more suspicious of Kevin than you, though a lot of that is depending on the Z25 flips. While you're for it, you haven't been swinging your crank around like Kevin has. Z25 flip tells me more about kevin than you, imo.

So is this true? The evidence actually seems to corroborate it

I don't want to lynch town.
if a townie is playing scummy and gets lynched, who do you blame?


#HBC | Red Ryu why you hoppin on this wagon? Is Raxxel the play?

focus on RR right away questioning his vote. Consistently with Pythags above claim but could also be early distancing strat

unvote
I reread that why me fry me and it specifically said not to use it with inexperienced players.
That combined with how Raxxel has been playing has me thinking he’s more noob, and I need to lighten up.


Vote : Red Ryu

I don’t really like your first post, nor do I like your position on the Raxxel wagon.

speaks for itself, very strong early pressure on RR slot

You trying to fish out a PR? I don't like this at all. What are you expecting from this line of questioning?

Pythag is Raxxel town or scum if you had a gun to your head to answer?

I’m putting him in scum category with his answers.

again more pressure

KevinM

When do you think it's a good time to lynch target inactives?


I freaking hate inactives. This is such an annoying conversation to have all over again.

#HBC | Red Ryu Lynch Pls
Red Ryu
Rajam
Lynch is ok :
FrozenFlame
Brindor
Kevin
Z25
Don't Lynch:
Mac
Tom
Lore
Maven

RR at the top of his lynch list

Just landed in Denver. Shooting from the hip rn.

If what you’re saying is true,WRT maven,
You could potentially have a Mafia and a werewolf in between RR and maven.

Maven’s jump on RR pinged me because I was looking at Ruy since his first post.

RR being werewolf wouldn’t surprise me, since he has been going for me, I defended Tom, or kill Tom, could be used to make me look bad. He did just say that killing Tom would be an “old player” strat. Could be hoping someone jumps on me then. Idk, I’m just spit balling. But going off what you just said, IF Kevin is clear, that might be where my mind goes.


If your situation is correct I’d read it like this
Rajam - scummy
Maven - mafia
RR - ww
Lore - mafia?
?????- ?????

Mac dying is pretty expected tbh. Towniest of town.

Rax upsets me because we could've gotten more talk during the day. Things were interesting.

Vote Red Ruy

I don't need to be convinced for voting RR or Rajam.

first time we see explicit labeling of RR as WW as opposed to just anti-town in a general sense. Interesting shift. And again the pressure is laid on strong here with another vote

Initially I liked Maven for him jumping on RR.

I can't totally shake the idea though, that if Kevin is clear, and I'm inclined to think he is at this point.

Scum could be :
Lore, Tom, Maven

Ww could be :
RR, .....1 other (Rajam, Raxxel or You)

Maven being on RR could easily be Scum that has been scum hunting.

I don't like the slot but I'd like to see what others are thinking, considering flips.

Support for maven for pressuring RR. More explicit RR as WW labeling. That's what really sketches me out the most is the confidence pythag seems to develop that RR slot is WW without really having a strong and explicit reason, havent seen one while I'm tracking thru his content

Z25 what about RR?

interesting refocus on RR, light connection

So, according to RR :



Pythag's wishy washy. He hasn't committed all game!



Well except for committing to me, BUT, he hasn't tried to read into anything else.

How I have been reading the game recently :

FF
Kevin
Rajam
Raxxel
Maven
Z25
RR

FF - lol, town.

Kevin - Dude i swear if you're ww I'm gonna be pissed.

Rajam - brought apparently, your normal fair. I'm still skittish on your hammer, but that's taking a much lower priority to me right now, and I think your big post makes up for a lot of lost ground in my eyes.

Raxxel - Tentative still new guy plays. Seems to recognze he messed up, but depending on flips I'm still willing to pass over it.

Maven : I can't shake the idea that you're mafia who's scum-hunting.

Z25 :
I was a little more confused by Z25 earlier, but now I don't know how he's really going to argue to me that RR and I are TvT.
I also didn't really him throwing everything and the kitchen sink at Rajam, and approximately 0 of it seems to have stuck.

RR : I feel similarly towards this slot. I'm not completely certain why he chose me to park on, but c'est la vie.

And again RR as strongest scum read

So yeah, pythag gets points for consistency. My macro eval of RR/Pythag interaction is we saw early light pressure followed by a vote, with maintenance on RR as a play hes open to but not much done to actually push a wagon in that direction. Day 2 pythag doesn't change his view on the slot but his attention to it kind of wanes a bit, and then he continues to dig deeper into pushing the slot near the end of D2 and going into D3 as he seemingly out of nowhere begins to develop confidence that RR is WW over RR is just not town

Given all this, it's hard to parse whether this has been a long form bus setup or if pythag has legitimately had a read on the RR slot all game. This is compounded by the fact that I agree with Kev that Z25/RR could be the pair and I'm getting distracted here by what I'm paranoid is a long form bus but could really just be someone who figured out scum!RR before literally everyone else. It comes off as either lowkey brilliant or ****ing planned ya know?

Anyway, this solidified that pythag isn't the right play today anyway over Z25 or RR. But I think getting an RR flip is a gold mine especially if he flips WW

I'm gonna try to do a quick assessment of RR to see if there's substantive content that pushes his scumminess past Z25 to make him top play overall but with the limited time I won't be able to do a full ISO.

Anyone who has time to take a look at this please let me know your thoughts and how this content I've distilled impacts your preference for Z25 over RR or vice versa

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

lmao Pythag quote botching seems to be contagious today, ****ed up the end of my post

Here's what should be out of quotes entirely:

And again RR as strongest scum read

So yeah, pythag gets points for consistency. My macro eval of RR/Pythag interaction is we saw early light pressure followed by a vote, with maintenance on RR as a play hes open to but not much done to actually push a wagon in that direction. Day 2 pythag doesn't change his view on the slot but his attention to it kind of wanes a bit, and then he continues to dig deeper into pushing the slot near the end of D2 and going into D3 as he seemingly out of nowhere begins to develop confidence that RR is WW over RR is just not town

Given all this, it's hard to parse whether this has been a long form bus setup or if pythag has legitimately had a read on the RR slot all game. This is compounded by the fact that I agree with Kev that Z25/RR could be the pair and I'm getting distracted here by what I'm paranoid is a long form bus but could really just be someone who figured out scum!RR before literally everyone else. It comes off as either lowkey brilliant or ****ing planned ya know?

Anyway, this solidified that pythag isn't the right play today anyway over Z25 or RR. But I think getting an RR flip is a gold mine especially if he flips WW

I'm gonna try to do a quick assessment of RR to see if there's substantive content that pushes his scumminess past Z25 to make him top play overall but with the limited time I won't be able to do a full ISO.

Anyone who has time to take a look at this please let me know your thoughts and how this content I've distilled impacts your preference for Z25 over RR or vice versa

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I will be online and completely available until deadline so talk to me folks, Im on board for either Z25 or RR wagon but I want to make sure we're all on the same page about why we're picking the slot we do. Again a lot is riding on this lynch and I want us to make a carefully considered move here

 

[Pythag]

#HBC | FrozeηFlame the reason I started thinking RR was werewolf was when he started trying to pawn the idea the “whoever killed tom was a BRoomer” or “old player” it was something like that.

It wasn’t completely out of nowhere

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

fair enough but tbh that isn't exactly the most compelling reason

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Deadline in 10 mins? No one showing up =(

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Vote: Z25

not tryna have some WW blitz pularity hijack

 

[KevinM]

Willing to RR this Frozen?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

plurality*

 

[Maven89]

Can we just lynch Red Ryu now

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

yoooooooo kevmo, is that what you're feeling? I think we can get a lot from that flip if you're down

 

[KevinM]

Me you and Pythag make 3 majority lynch

 

[Maven89]

I’m here, I’d rather kill red ryu

 

[KevinM]

I mean I’m feeling lynching Z25 because I’m selfish but this is the right decision for most

 

[Maven89]

Unvote

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[KevinM]

Vote Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[KevinM]

You know I never miss a deadline baby, I’m HBC

 

[Maven89]

Is 3 votes enough?

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

I agree re: Z25 being a play but kinda going back to what we talked about earlier RR features in my top two WW pairings so I think our odds are better plus if he doesn't flip WW I can stop being paranoid about pythag

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Is 3 votes enough?

mod says we're playing plurality if we hit deadline so whatever wagon has the most is what takes

forgot if we're supposed to unvote first, I usually do it anyway out of habit

Unvote: Z25

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[Maven89]

guys deadline is tomorrow