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[#HBC | Kary]

No, I just like to live fast and bulbous!

"I'm nervous!"

 

[#HBC | Kary]

~ Gheb ~ I want to hear your thoughts on the new situation.

 

[Maven89]

I'm guessing by that I was wrong

So basically blah blah blah and you dislike the players that find you scummy?

Uhh, no Kary. Delaware didn't even find me scummy during our interaction and has only said something just now so again, your argument is bunk. This is the 2nd time I've had to try and understand where you're coming from because right now you're playing this game like you can make idle comments about everything without why it is or isn't scummy. Say you dislike a comment gheb made doesn't tell me anything much you noting that Delamar is self-conscious. It says nothing, so please start doing the opposite for the sake of the game and my patience.

You don't like my playstyle. Boo hoo.

Soup is actively trying in both of those posts and raised actual points (that i hightlighted), you ignore them and focus on nothing other then the fact that you pushed him before he pushed you and then write off his comments about why you're being scummy as "my playstyle".


You also came into the game pushing Soup, I already mentioned how I felt his post was clearly meant as RVS/joke but you took it seriously, Soup is known to be an easy player to mislynch, I really don't see the scum intent behind him but you've kept him as your #1 scum read the entire time. You then say you dislike what Gheb did but put no effort into explaining why or even pushing against it, you essentially just marked that you don't like it then got into a meta-slap fight with him, then threw some dirt on Delamar for being self conscious, but didn't seem to have any real care for it, then just sat back on Soup. You had given little reasons for any of this, not even for your Soup read. With all that I found you a better target then Delamar

 

[Maven89]

waiiit, my post got messed up, my quotes are off

 

[Maven89]

(Previous post fixed)

If I had to explain more of what I dislike about Kary it's basically that he came at me with vigor and really simmered out almost immediately. Even when questioned by Maven(?) he changed his stance from a hardboiled stance of 'you're scum?' to 'ehhh well maybe like 60% percent lol' and that just left a sour taste in my mouth because if you're gonna call me out and tell me I'm scum the least you can do is back it up.

So basically blah blah blah and you dislike the players that find you scummy?

You don't like my playstyle. Boo hoo.

Soup is actively trying in both of those posts and raised actual points (that i hightlighted), you ignore them and focus on nothing other then the fact that you pushed him before he pushed you and then write off his comments about why you're being scummy as "my playstyle".


You also came into the game pushing Soup, I already mentioned how I felt his post was clearly meant as RVS/joke but you took it seriously, Soup is known to be an easy player to mislynch, I really don't see the scum intent behind him but you've kept him as your #1 scum read the entire time. You then say you dislike what Gheb did but put no effort into explaining why or even pushing against it, you essentially just marked that you don't like it then got into a meta-slap fight with him, then threw some dirt on Delamar for being self conscious, but didn't seem to have any real care for it, then just sat back on Soup. You had given little reasons for any of this, not even for your Soup read. With all that I found you a better target then Delamar

 

[#HBC | J]

Joey, Ponyo has shot incorrectly and has fallen into darkness!

Kary, Princess Mononoke, has control of the gun! May he choose wisely...!

D2 ends 12/18 at 12pm EST!​

 

[Maven89]

wtf is going on with my quotes, it's ****ing goblbing the third one up and then making it say Soup wrote it instead of Kary, I'm using the multiquote tool and it looks fine on my computer but when I post it it's ruined

 

[Maven89]

Well I guess you can look at both posts and put the quotes in the correct order, Soup talking about Kary, Kary talking about "player that found you scummy", Soup talking about the Delmaar point, Kary going "boo hoo playstyle"

 

[#HBC | Kary]

But I am known to be antagonistic as town. You seem to be taking things at face value and not questioning them.

It's not the case that I thought soup's opening posts were serious. My problem was why he felt the need to be joking.

 

[Maven89]

Then enlighten us Kary

 

[Maven89]

Cause now I'm seeing what Gheb was talking about with you having the gun

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Cause now I'm seeing what Gheb was talking about with you having the gun

This reads like you did not think about the consequences of shooting me before you asked for me to be shot.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm only easy to mislynched because town always commits the sin of believing unconventional play and behavior is always indicative of scummy intent, and that not playing exactly textbook or in the notion that most people would consider townie has somehow become haram.

I also believe said notion makes it easier for scum to fit in because people look at how someone is playing instead of what their saying, creating confirmation bias. No, I did not like how Kary was playing but you should note I never implied to shoot him.

The point I'm getting at is this town lacks any balls and scum will roll through it if they continue to give free passes to the people who write a lot and petty up their posts enough to make it seem like they're actually doing something.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My last paragraph could be attributed or referred to gheb or maven but that's just me.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

soup can you please stick to finding scum rather than whatever that was.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Then enlighten us Kary

If you think soup was 'just joking' at the start of the game, why did he insist that we 'just roll with it' ? It's not as if it was a waggon that would actually threaten Gheb in any way. Why would you want or expect people to go along with it? The whole thing just felt like soup didn't want to be the center of attention.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

~ Gheb ~ I want to hear your thoughts on the new situation.

What exactly is your stance on soup again?

 

[Maven89]

If you think soup was 'just joking' at the start of the game, why did he insist that we 'just roll with it' ? It's not as if it was a waggon that would actually threaten Gheb in any way. Why would you want or expect people to go along with it? The whole thing just felt like soup didn't want to be the center of attention.

Soup was doing a poor attempt to start information by being like "shoot Gheb" "just roll with it" but was also making it clear he wasn't serious, which made it a real half hearted attempt that failed right off the bat. i don't see what's suspicious about this.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

What exactly is your stance on soup again?

I asked first.

From your point of view, 2/3 players are scum. What are you thinking?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Soup was doing a poor attempt to start information by being like "shoot Gheb" "just roll with it" but was also making it clear he wasn't serious, which made it a real half hearted attempt that failed right off the bat. i don't see what's suspicious about this.

I feel like town soup could do better. You said yourself it was half-hearted. Like he wasn't really trying for information. Anyways.

 

[Maven89]

What exactly is your stance on soup again?

I mean he's been saying "shoot soup" pretty often

I feel like town soup could do better. You said yourself it was half-hearted. Like he wasn't really trying for information. Anyways.

Could do better, yeah, but I'm not really finding fault in it, and if your point really boils down to "could do better" then I don't think there's anything to say then "eh". I just hope you don't shoot just off of that

I want to know what Man from Delamar thinks

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Shooting soup is something I have to consider now. Gut says Del + soup is the scumteam but ...

... really man those deadlines are just killin' it. Dudes like Maven taken more than 3 IRL days to get an idea on especially with such a lack of connections and options.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I just hope you don't shoot just off of that

He's not dead yet.

What exactly is your stance on soup again?

A lot of his posts rub me the wrong way. The only problem is I don't trust him holding the gun in Lylo.

Shooting soup is something I have to consider now. Gut says Del + soup is the scumteam

hmm.

I still don't think you explained Del scum by the way, so can you give it to me in a nutshell?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Honestly, it's nothing but gut at this point and I fear I can't do much more than that. In a normal game it takes me a lot longer than 3 days to come up with something solid.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm sorry you can't read between lines, as I was basically saying that I suspect that maven/gheb (I think I might be wrong on one) on that post. Id say maven over gheb however and with a game like this making cases is useless so just roll with it

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Give me the gun! Give me the gun!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Soup was doing a poor attempt to start information by being like "shoot Gheb" "just roll with it" but was also making it clear he wasn't serious, which made it a real half hearted attempt that failed right off the bat. i don't see what's suspicious about this.

I was literally making a joke.

 

[Maven89]

You weren't hoping for Gheb to respond at all? You were just talking about unorthodox town play, and you had your whole "if I don't say he might respond"

 

[Maven89]

[QUOTE="#HBC | ѕoup, post: 20597947, member: 177817]and with a game like this making cases is useless so just roll with it[/QUOTE]

...........

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Remind me why we didn't shoot soup yesterday? He's useless.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Shoot me pls

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Play the game, soup.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Nnnnghghghghbbgg lost a whole long post and I gotta mountain of paperwork to do . I will take a mafia break as soon as I get ahead on it

Cliffnotes

Soup hate understandable, but I just got out of a game where he came in and went out like a bonehead with a bold grin on his face and sat in the armchair and preached about the poor level of play town was supposedly making (he was his own undoing). It shot into dumb or scum immediately, and he was town. Dont get reckless with that gun. Shootin soup is a double edged sword if we're wrong because then he's in control of the clutch gun and i ain't seen much in this game or my last that makes me comfortable with that

Kary was an eeeasy push to make and I wish I was here for it. I actually liked gheb's answer to my question after I thought on it and I can't say it wasn't easier to understand after bein on the receivin end of his irreverent side comment schtick. Still that ain't near enough to've bumped him up the kill list imp. He had enough scrutiny all around the table that mafia was almost definitely needling him safely in some way or other. I think this is the best lane to find scum. Will dig into thread on next post.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I didn't do anything wrong that game nor am I doing anything wrong this game. If you lack the ability to read someone that may play a bit out of your ideals of what a townie should, then it's your own fault.

That's all I'm ever gonna really say aside from the other times where I do grin and chuckle merrily about the fact people spit venom at me but inevitably it falls onto them if they misread me; I however admit that I was wrong about Maven if you want to add to your laundry list of 'bad things soup has done.'

I'm quite serious about there being no need for cases in this game and these are the type that are truly just mostly about gut instead of feeling out a player.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

soup if you're not going to play the game, don't bother posting. you're just being a brat.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I am playing the game. I told you that I think Gheb/Maven has one scum.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Maven89 what's your read on people right now?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I am playing the game. I told you that I think Gheb/Maven has one scum.

No **** any two people have one scum in them. Such counting.

 

[Maven89]

I think Del is the best shot right now, I'm afraid of scum soup hiding behind bad soup meta now, I want Gheb to post more because I want him as a town read but he doesn't seem willing

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Never take up a career where regular report filing is required. You can and will end up with big workloads to clear up.

I've read over things but I want to go back over them again. My reads (if you can even call em that) feel too stagnant and guttish, and I really think there should be enough to try to map what people are doing. If we shoot wrong we trust the game to the whims of the gunslinger that ends up with it.

I didn't do anything wrong that game nor am I doing anything wrong this game. If you lack the ability to read someone that may play a bit out of your ideals of what a townie should, then it's your own fault.

You didn't do anything right in that game. You picked a bad target on RVS shenanigans (something you lambasted a fella in this very game for) and tunneled it into the ground, while an obvscum partner danced around on the sidelines holding up Christmas lights begging everybody to notice him. When presented with your tunneled read or the scum as lynch options you continued to tunnel with zero hesitation or pause, and then what a surprise, CONTINUED the tunnel with your final night action -- the very last thing you could do to influence the game -- and town nearly lost the game on that basis alone.

It wasn't being unconventional that made you instantly shoot into dumb-or-scum, it was that your suspicions and case were absolutely terrible and you refused to reevaluate them or let go of em. This is relevant, because people are considering shooting you and as things stand right now I think you'd probably blow the game, even if I don't think your reads are terrible. But I also don't know if I can see your train of thought as the game has gone on and I wanna try to FIND it, because figuring you out should unlock things.

... which brings me to this

I'm quite serious about there being no need for cases in this game and these are the type that are truly just mostly about gut instead of feeling out a player.

I just don't get what you were communicating to me here. Were you saying I don't need to/outright shouldn't worry about trying to read up and look for scummy intent? I can see why gut + PoE feels like the way to go in a game this tiny and I'll freely admit I barely know what the hell I'm doin' with a popcorn setup (this is my first) but I just don't get saying that when we've had a misshot already and can only survive another pair. Do you disagree that Kary was an overly easy push? You seem to think he didn't merit scrutiny of intent (which is easy to say after he's flipped, not that I'm one to talk I admit), and if that's the case, why are you trumpeting the magic of gut?

I dunno. TownSoup didn't think Kary was scum, but after Kary is poked at by everybody, he doesn't think that's worth looking into and gut/PoE is the way to do it? I don't get it. I want to get it. But I don't get it.

... and then this

I am playing the game. I told you that I think Gheb/Maven has one scum.

I'm certainly interested in your picks here, but why did I fall outta the spectrum? What made you shift unfavorably toward those two in particular when you'd already claimed you'd shoot me on sight not too long ago? "Gut" doesn't do it for me.