J's Quick Popcorn Mafia! D4 Totoro's Dilemma Ends 12/22; 12pm EST

[The Man From Delamar]

I was overexaggeratin' the point cuz I was drunk and that bib spoonfeed exaggeration sounded funny. That's why I added that last bit at the bottom there.

 

[Dooms]

I was overexaggeratin' the point cuz I was drunk and that bib spoonfeed exaggeration sounded funny. That's why I added that last bit at the bottom there.

There are 12 year olds on this forum. Drinking is bad.

Reported.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Been busy at work and other matters.


I feel sorely disappointing in the direction this game is going, especially in regards as to how everyone is taking my action to shoot Gheb. I find it interesting that everyone really has somewhat of an opinion about it but nobody has really directly given much of an opinion about me, besides maybe kary and Gheb. The other two people, Del and Maven, have been sidelining the ordeal.

Del stated he liked Kary's side of the argument (I don't really even really think there was one to be honest) but I never seen it go much beyond whether his argument meant I was scum or not. I'd very prefer someone sticking their neck out (even if the bundle of reasons not to boil down to wahh wahh arguments like there's not enough to go on or it's decidedly null) over one who chooses not to and goes for the angle of siding with someone. I don't really care if Del doesn't side with me or not, so long as he reads my posts and makes a cognitive decision that isn't just a matter of siding with me or not.

I suppose that's a really nonchalant way of saying I dislike Delamar right now, but I don't really like Kary either, though I'd say it's much less.

Gheb seems OK for the most part, and I also understand where he's coming from.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If I had to explain more of what I dislike about Kary it's basically that he came at me with vigor and really simmered out almost immediately. Even when questioned by Maven(?) he changed his stance from a hardboiled stance of 'you're scum?' to 'ehhh well maybe like 60% percent lol' and that just left a sour taste in my mouth because if you're gonna call me out and tell me I'm scum the least you can do is back it up.

I know that Kary will probably tell me that it was because of pressure but pressure don't mean **** if you're gonna just evidently call the action a 60% scum lean/null.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Not really being antagonistic though. I'm just not game for Kary's shenanigans. If he's got something to say he should just do so straight up and not make dumb remarks like "yuck" or say irrelevant stuff that has nothing to do with this game.

You seem to dislike Kary's actions and even called it shenanigans but earlier you said you wouldn't shoot me or him. Why? Is it just a disdain in how he plays? If so, I don't really commend looking at people like that because that's how town loses because someone decides they don't like how somebody plays therefore they must be scum.

Had to steal your armchair for a minute.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Well shoo I hardly realized the deadline was fast approachin'. Comin' from Gheb's game I'd have assumed deadlines were generally longer than three days, but I guess it's gonna be time to get myself into the game tomorrow (where I am it's 2:30 in the dang mornin'). My apologies for not realizing how short the Day was.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

~ Gheb ~ who would you shoot?

The man from delamar. Most of his points aren't very convincing imo. I'll get into detail below and maybe some more later.

Maven wouldn't be the worst target so if Joey decides that he doesn't wanna shoot Del for some reason, he should consider shooting Maven. He hasn't been like super suspicious or anything but compared to the other slots he's been almost completely neutral in my book and his input leaves a bit to be desired. Without connections or sufficient input I can't really exlude him from my "lynchpool" and town!Maven is one of the better players to leave the pivot to imo. It makes a decent back-up shot.

...what's the measurable difference between "yuck" and "I find the above quoted marks scummy", honestly?

You have meta related feelings as to why some (including Kary) should not be trusted with a gun, yet a previous meta-fact of Kary as town shooting you as mafia is irrelevant?

Honestly? The difference between saying "yuck" and "I find the above quoted marks scummy" is that one tells me what he thinks whereas the other doesn't. What the hell does "yuck" even mean? When you have a spider swimming in your Earl Grey breakfast tea that's when you can say "yuck" and people will know what's up. In regards to my post ... it tells me exactly nothing. Maybe he finds the post scummy. Maybe he doesn't and he just doesn't like it. And if he doesn't like it ... for what reason? Because he thinks one shouldn't suggest himself to get lynched on principle [nevermind that I never made such a suggestion in the first place]? Maybe for some other reason? How would I know? If he just straight up told me he finds it scummy it wouldn't be an issue.

I said I find Kary too unpredictable to be OK with him getting the gun and I stand by that. I've played millions of game and if he every vigged me I ouldn't remember when that was supposed to happen ... but yeah it's irrelevant because it doesn't make him any more or less unpredictable. Still would wanna avoid giving him the gun.

The only problem I see of saying "don't shoot Kary/Soup" is that while you two haven't shown any legitimate scummy intention, literally no one has shown anything, so throwing you two out of the equation when no one's really been put into it doesn't make sense to me.

It makes plenty of sense to me.

Like I said before, I consider PoE a very reasonable approach in a popcorn setup because it's not only important to shoot scum but it also kinda matters who gets the gun in case you shoot a townie. So while you obviously wanna know who makes a good shot you'll also have to take a good look at who you do not wanna shoot at.

Given this game's tight deadline settings you'll have to take your stances sooner rather than later. In this case I chose soup and Kary because neither has done anything notably suspect and, if it helps you, both are playing to their town meta atm. So, really, I can't do much other than throw these two out of the window for now because a decision needs to be reached in time. That leaves Maven, Del and myself. Of course I know I'm town but that's not actually a problem because it's not my life that's on the line right now. Is me getting the gun worth the loss of a townie [you]? Probably not but if it came down to it I'd still rather know the gun to be in my hand instead of Kary's or soup's. From my pov the best shots would be Del -> Maven -> Gheb -> Kary / soup unless I start scumreading one or both of the latter two for some reason.

You seem to dislike Kary's actions and even called it shenanigans but earlier you said you wouldn't shoot me or him. Why? Is it just a disdain in how he plays? If so, I don't really commend looking at people like that because that's how town loses because someone decides they don't like how somebody plays therefore they must be scum.

I don't think Kary is scum. He just has a habit of making these type of "yuck" posts that don't tell us anything ... instead of just outright saying what problem he has with it. Y'know I'm normally not an impatient man but I really don't see why I - or anybody for that matter - should have punch some more constructive points out of that kid when he could've just outright said what his problem is. I'm not game for that. My response to him may have been antagonistic but it's not like he didn't give me a damn good reason.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

At the moment, the game seems pretty dang stagnant, and there ain't a whole lot of meat to get outta this game. But I wouldn't necessarily put that at the fault of the players of the game rather than the unfortunate deadline situation. We've had two days to play this game so far, and to me, it seems pretty clear that this community of mafia players don't play their mafia games that quickly. I've seen communities with 1 day deadlines, and they play their games EXTREMELY quickly and games become real hot real quick. It seems obvious (especially from the last game I played) that y'all operate on the slower end of the spectrum, and as long as the deadline reflects that, it works fine. I seriously assumed this game would have, like, around a week's deadline, maybe five days at the absolute LEAST, but I guess not.

Why does this matter? Because truthfully I prefer longer Day deadlines, as well. Longer periods of time for Days grants players the option to play more, well, decisively, and I prefer to start playing my games by mostly observing the surrounding playin' field until something in particular comes up. If somethin' does, then sure I'll follow up on it. But in a game with 77 posts total (INCLUDIN' joke related posts) it makes it more difficult to do so.

I don't have any particularly hard stances, but so far, this is where I stand: I don't really appreciate how Soup has been approachin' the game. The way he composes his posts makes it seem like he thinks this game is farther developed than it really is:

If you honestly believe this then I implore Dooms to shoot me right now to show how wrong you would be. You took RVS intent and throwing minor shade at Gheb like some de facto argument when it was clear I was just being facetious.

I don't understand how Soup came to this conclusion in any way whatsoever. The facts are that Kary was essentially shut out from bein' told why Soup wanted to target Gheb as a shot in lieu of everyone else, and from Kary's perspective, I can see why that's worth questioning: there's OBVIOUSLY some sort of rationale fer Soup choosin' Gheb, and it gives Soup less room to hide just in case. Soup then determining that Kary took it "as some de facto argument when it was clear that [he] was just being facetious" comes off as a bit pushy, I'd say.

Maven's content thus far can be summed up as observational and not really proactively makin' a chase on anythin'. Certain questions seem to be asked and certain questions seem to be dropped, and the only sort'a real thing that stands out to me as some particular stance is him callin' mah drunk post too antagonistic fer his taste. Granted, my play can be summed up in a similar stance so it's tough fer me to say that makes 'em worthy of a shot, but considerin' the fact that the deadline's in about 23 hours, I digress.

Like I said, I don't have any particularly hard stances. Right now, as far as shot order, I'd go Soup > Maven > Kary/Gheb. I'll try n' see if I can get a firmer grip of this game later today, but for the moment I've gotta slew of things I gotta get taken care of.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I don't mind Gheb at all so far, and I definitely understand his logic. The only problem I see of saying "don't shoot Kary/Soup" is that while you two haven't shown any legitimate scummy intention, literally no one has shown anything, so throwing you two out of the equation when no one's really been put into it doesn't make sense to me.

+1

And while I liked her post saying "your lynchpool is awful", it was just because of the "you're in it" line, I do want her to explain why she thinks the rest is awful.

Gheb doesn't bother to explain any of it. For instance he suggests that maybe he should be shot, as though it's something he doesn't yet have an opinion on. He doesn't start by explaining why.

I suppose that's a really nonchalant way of saying I dislike Delamar right now, but I don't really like Kary either, though I'd say it's much less.

So basically blah blah blah and you dislike the players that find you scummy?

If I had to explain more of what I dislike about Kary it's basically that he came at me with vigor and really simmered out almost immediately.

I voted you because I found you scummy. Then you were like 'haha doesn't count' (hmm okay) so I called you scum again. I still think you're scummy. Nothing changed. I don't know why Maven felt the need to interrupt the exchange.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

At the moment, the game seems pretty dang stagnant, and there ain't a whole lot of meat to get outta this game. But I wouldn't necessarily put that at the fault of the players of the game rather than the unfortunate deadline situation. We've had two days to play this game so far, and to me, it seems pretty clear that this community of mafia players don't play their mafia games that quickly. I've seen communities with 1 day deadlines, and they play their games EXTREMELY quickly and games become real hot real quick. It seems obvious (especially from the last game I played) that y'all operate on the slower end of the spectrum, and as long as the deadline reflects that, it works fine. I seriously assumed this game would have, like, around a week's deadline, maybe five days at the absolute LEAST, but I guess not.

Why does this matter? Because truthfully I prefer longer Day deadlines, as well. Longer periods of time for Days grants players the option to play more, well, decisively, and I prefer to start playing my games by mostly observing the surrounding playin' field until something in particular comes up. If somethin' does, then sure I'll follow up on it. But in a game with 77 posts total (INCLUDIN' joke related posts) it makes it more difficult to do so.

This is a lot of words to not say much, huh. I've been busy with work fwiw.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

~ Gheb ~ who would you shoot?

The man from delamar. Most of his points aren't very convincing imo. I'll get into detail below and maybe some more later.

I can't find the part where you did this. Did you do this yet?

 

[The Man From Delamar]

He didn't.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Also, regardin' them two paragraphs, I was just lettin' my stream of consciousness flow and, well, I felt like that deserved to be said quite frankly.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Also, regardin' them two paragraphs, I was just lettin' my stream of consciousness flow and, well, I felt like that deserved to be said quite frankly.

This reads as self-conscious

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Ain't we all?

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Actually wait... What in the sam heck type'a tell is given by "this reads as self-conscious?" Sounds to me like another yuck.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I actually didn't yet.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You got anything relevant to say or ... ?

#HBC | Kary

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Uhh, no Kary. Delaware didn't even find me scummy during our interaction and has only said something just now so again, your argument is bunk. This is the 2nd time I've had to try and understand where you're coming from because right now you're playing this game like you can make idle comments about everything without why it is or isn't scummy. Say you dislike a comment gheb made doesn't tell me anything much you noting that Delamar is self-conscious. It says nothing, so please start doing the opposite for the sake of the game and my patience.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Phone posting so that's not as thorough as I wanted it to be but I digress.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

You don't like my playstyle. Boo hoo.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, I dislike that you're being anti-town and not being any use. Please don't give a me a holier than thou attitude because you're getting called out. Just explain what you think of everyone to start off with a simple town to scum with reasoning possibly

 

[#HBC | Kary]

If you just wanted to know my reads why not just ask that in the first place?

I still think you are scummy and a good shot for today. I could also see Gheb being scum, he seems a little bit more backseat than I would expect. Reads are still coming together though because of the very short time frame.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Actually wait... What in the sam heck type'a tell is given by "this reads as self-conscious?" Sounds to me like another yuck.

In my experience, scum are more concerned about how they come across than townies are. I'm just making an observation.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

I mean, sure. But there ain't nothin' people can work with aside from simply disagreein' or agreein' with whether what I said read as self conscious. Like I don't get how you arrived at that conclusion and, clearly, nobody else seems to have.

Plus, while that tendency is logical, I'd be hard pressed to find a good town player who doesn't think about how their post comes across to the rest of the players. Persuasion is a major factor fer town, after all.

 

[#HBC | J]

11 hours remain till deadline.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Shoot Delamar. Dooms

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I don't have a hairbrained case on Delamar other then I'm not satisfied with what he's given thus far either and I think even in the event of him being town, it would clear up a lot of things for me. Surprisingly, my thoughts are in sync with Gheb only I'm not so inclined to give Kary a pass regardless of meta. I also believe that seeing what Delamar flips in regards to Maven throwing slight suspicion will be interesting.

I think this type of game benefits more on gut instead of reading into every finite detail, so people should just go ahead and say their shots to save Dooms any trouble.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Umm

Go ahead and ask yourself what I'd be able to give you thus far that'd satisfy you, given the amount of things to work with in the thread.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Surprisingly, my thoughts are in sync with Gheb only I'm not so inclined to give Kary a pass regardless of meta.

Fwiw I'm really not sure on Kary now. He really hasn't done anything yet except being uncooperative and fluffing things up with pointless remarks. At this point I just don't want to risk town!Kary becoming the pivot I guess ... I gotta admit that's hardly convincing though.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm also really not sure about shooting Del anymore. Can't blame him for anything specific and if his input isn't satisfactory then nobody's is really. Kary has posted a whole lot of nothing ... Maven has posted virtually nothing ... Joey also has done disappointingly little considering he's the one who gets to make the big decision. I've not had a whole lot to say either admittedly.

At this point I'd probably call Maven the safest shot. But I'd really like to know where Joey's head's at Dooms

 

[Dooms]

I really don't have much to add aside from what I said earlier because nothing more has really happened.

Shot order would probably be: Soup > Kary > Del > Maven/Gheb

Shooting sometime between 11 and 12 EST

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If you shoot me I am literally just going to hipfire delamar right after.

 

[The Man From Delamar]

Do you just see previous games you've played and consciously decide not to learn from 'em?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, I just like to live fast and bulbous!

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So when I'm clear and I shoot you, who are you shooting next delamar?

 

[Maven89]

I don't like anyone's slot and the closest I have to a town read is Soup. Soup hasn't done anything bad in any way, and more then that is the only person I have trouble understanding why they would do what they're doing as scum. It would be at best "coasting", I guess, because he never made major push, but not many have, and I don't think it is. People can coast better then that, and the slot shows a real lack of concern over getting killed.

Gotta share Gheb's comment on Kary, I definitely got nervous over Gheb attempting to block Soup/Kary from getting shot and really don't like him flipping back to wanting to shoot Kary, but since we have so little to go on I see this entirely in line with how Gheb plays normally. But due to the first part of his flipping I'm not reading this slot as town yet, more null with a super super slight lean towards town. Enough that I don't want to shoot him.

I'd go with Man from Delamar or Kary. I was actually satisfied with his reply to the unusually antagonistic point, but he hasn't really comment much unless it's related to him, and with so little else that could be enough. Plus from what I saw in the other game he's not a bad player and could be a good shooter if town

Kary has just been very antagonistic and overall I hated his response to Soup about "boo hooo you hate my playstyle", the slot has done nothing but throw dirt on basically everyone and I really don't like any attempt to hide not saying things as being due to "playstyle". Kary would also be a good choice, and probably my first over Delamar.

 

[Dooms]

Shoot: Kary

If people are town reading soup then I probably shouldn't shoot him. :x

Bye guys.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

RIP Joey

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary has just been very antagonistic and overall I hated his response to Soup about "boo hooo you hate my playstyle", the slot has done nothing but throw dirt on basically everyone and I really don't like any attempt to hide not saying things as being due to "playstyle". Kary would also be a good choice, and probably my first over Delamar.

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