Jigglypuff General Discussion Thread (Q&A)

[GeneralWoodman]

true pivot dash dancing= vast opportunity for DA and grabs

 

[Exegguter]

Jab jab jab out of the blue -> grounded pound = spot dodge/running grab ****

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I've made some all right use of dsmash recently. Are there any good options with Dsmash that we know of?

Also, I want to get better with puff now.
She's just so fun.
I officially main Yoshi and second puff.
Get at me.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

If you get the chance to punish fast-fallers with it, might as well.

Otherwise, no.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I like it for reading rolls or spot dodges, because the other guy feels like an idiot be getting hit by puffs dsmash.

Any good puff combo videos out?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Nope

 

[Karnu]

How do I beat Kirby?

 

[GeneralWoodman]

You knock him outside the blast zones.

 

[Cat Fight]

I won a $50 MM using Jiggz vs a TL main. Where my Jiggz playaz at?!

 

[scrub_nugget]

Isn't Uair the best move for DI momentum canceling?

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

All our aerials are seperated by 2 frames. So it doesn't really matter though bair is the fastest i think.

I usually use Uair out of habit from Zss

 

[scrub_nugget]

That's me with Yoshi.

Would it be smart to bair, then pound(likely lowering) away from the blast zone?

 

[Grim Tuesday]

I always bair > pound

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I also pound immediately after my aerial

 

[scrub_nugget]

I already usually live to 150+%

I should start pounding.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Are you playing against only sheiks and sonics?

 

[scrub_nugget]

Nope.
Kirfrees and warifrees

 

[teluoborg]

Pound only if you're far from the vertical blastzone, because it ain't pot but it still gets you high.

 

[scrub_nugget]

Even if it's lowering pound?


Pika's side B raises you vertically a lot, and they use it to recover. There is still no recorded case of someone dying off the top.






What are any, if they exist, good ways to fight Snake? What should I do? I know the MU sucks, but I should be able to beat my friend with puff if I'm careful.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

This is one of my better match-ups.

For starters, you want the lead. To get the lead, you need to dance around in-front of him and bait something. By dancing, I mean fox-trot/dash-dance/short hop weaving/etc... Use the ground and the air to avoid being predictable and try to get him to either ftilt, jab or utilt (make sure you are out of grab range all the time, though).

If he ftilts while you are close, be ready to shield + shield SDI it or just SDI through it normally. After you do that or he misses, lay on as much hurt as you can as safely as you can. Don't get greedy and watch out for bair/nair.

If he utilts, you should hopefully be outside of the range (behind him or you predict the utilt and move far enough away). Once again, go back in and dish out the hurt.

If he jabs, SDI it the same as Ftilt. Blah, blah, blah.

Once you have a decent enough lead, camp. That doesn't mean "Never every try and punish, hold onto the percentage you have". It just means to play A LOT safer and don't take any risks unless they are really worth it (you'll work out what is worth it and what isn't with experience). Kind-of like this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU4gVzsQZgE

Avoid all of his projectile gimmicks and Snake gimmicks and punish him whenever you get the chance, and you can pull out a win.

 

[scrub_nugget]

Thank you!!
This helps a lot. My friend doesn't bair enough so I know where his weak point will be now.

 

[IhaveSonar]

Jigglypuff can absolutely molest Snake whenever his feet are not on his grenade/c4/mine-riddled precious ground. Take advantage of this to the fullest extent. Just watch out for predictable airdodges/bairs/nairs, and don't be afraid to bait and punish them.

 

[Exegguter]

The best way to recover/stay alive with jiggs is bair pound or bair rollout.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=286144

 

[Grim Tuesday]

SDI > DI > Bair > Pound let me survive so well today :D

 

[Exegguter]

Ikr?! I survived a fresh fair from peach at 110%/105% I was like hell yeahh gurlllllll!

 

[SnowCold]

Back air ends faster than upair right? And does upair have iasa frames that bair doesn't? I want to know because I figured out that using side-B/Pound works almost exactly like G&W's bucket braking. I've been using back-air>pound but i want to know if upair wouldn't make this more useful.

I like calling it pound parking, idk if it has already been discovered and named something else though, but i don't see other puffs using it...

nvm the above, i should rly learn to read xD but i'd still like to know about the upair

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

None of here aerials have IASA frames, Bair is the fastest

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Bair has IASA on Frame 32
Fair on Frame 36

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Nope.

10lies

 

[Grim Tuesday]

A smash researcher told me this.

Everything I know is a lie. :O

 

[GeneralWoodman]

Nothing in this game is hard to do.
This is a children's game.

 

[Grim Tuesday]

Dedede's infinite on Snake kgo.

 

[the melon!!!!!]

Nothing in this game is hard to do.
This is a children's game.

Having fun in a tournament is

 

[GeneralWoodman]

Dedede's infinite on Snake kgo.

Its just grabbing over and over...
EASY=]

Having fun in a tournament is

Pre-game before the tournament (I mean this is a children's game after all)..then make a funny tag. Dodge roll a lot and talk about non-smash related subjects with your opponents while you play....you'll have a blast! =D

Edit: AND DON'T FORGET TO PLAY WITH YOUR JIGGLYPUFFS BEFORE SHAKING YOUR OPPONENTS HAND! ;]

 

[Perfecthell4]

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[Osennecho]

How do people DACUS with Puff... I can never seem to get it work let along work consistently. Do people set R to a different button to assist or.....? Its practically the only thing I can't make work with Puff and it's driving me insane.

 

[Desu~]

Well usually i believe that it's best to set R to attack since it's way much more comfortable to handle it and getting used to it.
But i mean you could just use another setting if you think there's a better way for you. Because, you know, everyone has their ways of doing things. It's pretty much like me being random and put grab on Y because i feel like i just leveled up my item game.

EDIT:
But anyways, Jiggs's DACUS isn't all that reliable. More like something to catch your opponent off guard.

 

[Osennecho]

Well usually i believe that it's best to set R to attack since it's way much more comfortable to handle it and getting used to it.
But i mean you could just use another setting if you think there's a better way for you. Because, you know, everyone has their ways of doing things. It's pretty much like me being random and put grab on Y because i feel like i just leveled up my item game.

EDIT:
But anyways, Jiggs's DACUS isn't all that reliable. More like something to catch your opponent off guard.

Thanks. I guess I'll try setting attack to R at some point soon and see how that goes. Probably some point later this week when I have several hours to experiment. And yah... I know Puffs DACUS isn't very reliable, but I can't tell you how many times I've played the character only to read a roll or some other thing or have the opponent trip and wish I could DACUS as a punish/kill, especially since Puff gets so few chances at kills as it is. It would also be good as you said for a mix up.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

I DACUS with every single character using the normal method, that being input dash attack with the c stick, roll the stick up Up and hold Z.

 

[Osennecho]

What moves do people just if sharking on Delphino or Halberd? Personally I end up using retreating Fair far to often. Someone I played recently seemed to purposely run into it to stale it depending on his percent while Snake. The only 2 others I ever use are pound/rising pound and Uair although I find the latter to be extremely situational. Just wondering if anyone does anything different or if they have the same mindset as myself.