ITT: We test what we can Perfect Shield Cancel or w.e. into Dsmash

[culexus・wau]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjFQtAubet4

Power Shield Cancels

buffers stuff out of the powershield without the shield drop animation

you think people would be doing this but they don't :>

and idc if you think this is old

I haven't seen any of you do it.

so yeah.

Jab/Uptilt/DownB buffers perfect out of powershield [the shield drop animation doesn't even come up!]

Crouch to force low nado to this -> hit inbetween the hitboxes of nado!

soooo goooood~



so ****ing tight.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Isn't this the big idea of powershielding? Less/no shielddrop frames + less shieldstun? lol...

 

[culexus・wau]

Isn't this the big idea of powershielding? Less/no shielddrop frames + less shieldstun? lol...

s ee

you think people would be doing this but they don't :>

and idc if you think this is old

I haven't seen any of you do it.

so yeah.

 

[Zero]

did you watch the video xonar? this is ****ing incredible

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I can link you to one of the matches of me vs mr r in which I sandbag and get ***** where Mr R does exactly that to each of my lasers.

 

[culexus・wau]

but ramin does everything old but is only found to be useful recently

see: platform canceling.

You can't expect us lazy americans to be all technical like you euros [not speaking for myself, but everyone]

 

[Zero]

If your players did this they sure ****ing kept quiet about it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I thought it was common sense lol.

 

[NickRiddle]

I didn't know quite how good it was.
Until I saw the vid.
Now I eat nado for breakfast!

 

[Mr-R]

u werent sandbagging that match RAMSES HA.

this seems pretty flashy but extremely hard to do lmao

 

[culexus・wau]

its easy

just buffer the move on reaction to the "tink~"

if you're going for the powershield, you'll definitely be able to buffer this out easier then you think you would.

 

[Zero]

So

This makes our sideB a lot less safer. Should be fine when retreating as usual though, right?

 

[Nefarious B]

This isn't a real technique guys. Powershields have IASA frames on the shield drop, so if you buffer something it will cancel the shield drop animation. Everything is the same as it has been, this is just an application of that.

The reason it works on nado is because nado hits once every couple of frames. So if you powershield you go through shield hit lag, where you can't do anything, but you can buffer out of. Your shield will drop as soon as nado isn't ticking, and if you buffer a fast move you will hit before the next tick.

So i think our utilt might possibly work with this against high nados, which would be extremely useful to use because our crouch allows us to actually force the powershield against nado. However, I kind of doubt utilt is fast enough because it's vertical hitbox is not 3 frames, it's like 5 or 6 i think

So if i'm understanding right the inputs would be:

crouch/crawl to duck the nado over your head
tap shield forcing you to stand and powershield on frame 1
mash utilt

 

[culexus・wau]

whats the point if its not a real technique

if its not even done in practice to begin with.

asdgafgeg

the utilt can viably come because the side hitbox is what matters.


oh and we can buffer dsmash out of this too. something you normally can't do because it comes out as spotdodge.

****ing ****.

forward smash too but we all know that doesn't work for our character.

 

[Nefarious B]

the point is people should do it in practice lol

and no if they're nadoing you high I don't think the vertical hitbox of utilt will come out in time, the first hitbox doesn't hit where you need it to. It depends what the gap between nado ticks is

 

[culexus・wau]

thats the problem nef.

we don't :<

or else this game would be as hype as 3S [PARRY PARRY PARRY PARRY]

like these 7 frames really do make a difference to people.

even if it isn't new, everyone and their mother is going to be hitting THAT MUCH harder out of perfect shield now that they are aware.

which means we have to work THAT MUCH harder to mix-up our timing :V

and on the nado thing

but the whole point is that we crawl to force them to nado low.

they can't rise fast enough in time to avoid the frame 3 utilt hitbox if they're trying to nado us to begin with.

oh btw the dsmash frame data is confusing, does it come out frame 16 or more?

because if thats true we can dsmash snake after powershielding uptilt LOL FCAS is 19 frames and lucario can do that after powershielding uptilt <3

 

[Nefarious B]

No it's frame 21, she takes 16 frames to pull out her gun, at that point if you just pressed down smash she'll go into a 5 frame charge release, if you held down A to charge the dsmash she'll start charging from frame 16 onward, and still take the 5 frames at the end of the charge to release

 

[culexus・wau]

Ah thought so.

I was afraid it was something like that. It prob won't work if luc fsmash doesn't work

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

You can down-b through high tornados and kick them.

 

[vato_break]

Yeeeyuhz zss for mk countah

 

[Zero]

Well you can't perfect shield off stage in the air so it's still not a counter. lol.

 

[culexus・wau]

important moves to check.

Snake uptilt.

snake ftilt1 and ftilt 2

mk ftilt 3.

mk dsmash [back hit/forward hit]

ddd ftilt

lucario point blank FCAS

i'll add more later

 

[Nefarious B]

Well I can already tell you:

Snake uptilt: Nope
Snake ftilt 1: lol not even close
Snake ftilt 2: maybe
Mk ftilt 3: technically yes but timing is hard because he can mix up the timing
MK dsmash: nope

 

[Zero]

More importantly, just punish that stuff with dtilt > uair/bair

 

[Nefarious B]

If we could punish Snakes ftilt2 with a dsmash, that would be incredible

 

[culexus・wau]

More importantly, just punish that stuff with dtilt > uair/bair

Yeah but.

I want harder punishments

We should see if we can perfect shield cancel dsmash ledge attacks :0

 

[Zero]

Depends on the character.

 

[culexus・wau]

of course it does.

we should have a list of people we can do it on tho, because thats something you can constantly perfect shield and if they get-up anything instead of attack when you try to PS it you can still punish them with something.

 

[Dakpo]

How could someone practice this in training mode? aka just yourself

 

[culexus・wau]

2 controllers.

put someone on the ledge.

hit A with your foot or something on 2nd controller

powershield it on reaction [there is no prediction involved, if anything its good practice].

react to the TINK

buffer dsmash in shield lag

done

 

[PEACE7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjFQtAubet4

Power Shield Cancels

buffers stuff out of the powershield without the shield drop animation

you think people would be doing this but they don't :>

and idc if you think this is old

I haven't seen any of you do it.

so yeah.

Jab/Uptilt/DownB buffers perfect out of powershield [the shield drop animation doesn't even come up!]

Crouch to force low nado to this -> hit inbetween the hitboxes of nado!

soooo goooood~



so ****ing tight.

Sounds pretty **** I need to practice this.

 

[BlueBomberXTJ]

psc into utilt da bess.