Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[N3ON]

Regardless of Camelot being a second party, I really doubt Camelot would have a problem with Isaac being in Smash Bros. He was in Brawl already. Having him be playable would just bring more recognition to the Golden Sun series and let them sell more games in the future.

No I totally agree, and that's just another reason why I don't take the 2nd-party stigma theory seriously.

Obviously 2nd parties can and have appeared in Smash, either in playable or non-playable roles, so obv the companies and Sakurai are both open to their inclusion. It's just that none previously reached the levels of the series already included, bar Pokemon.

 

[jweb22]

Honestly if Golden Sun gets a playable rep, and I seriously hope they do, it will most likely be Matthew as I expect GS4 to come out in the next 2-3 years since Camelot is now done with Mario Golf plus Matthew will most likely be the main protagonist of that game.

I know we all think Isaac wasn't shown because he's playable but what if he wasn't shown because the Assist Trophy is now his Adult version and that would have heavily hinted at Matthew possibly being playable? I know it's a stretch but it makes more sense for Matthew to be playable rather than Isaac.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Honestly if Golden Sun gets a playable rep, and I seriously hope they do, it will most likely be Matthew as I expect GS4 to come out in the next 2-3 years since Camelot is now done with Mario Golf plus Matthew will most likely be the main protagonist of that game.

I know we all think Isaac wasn't shown because he's playable but what if he wasn't shown because the Assist Trophy is now his Adult version and that would have heavily hinted at Matthew possibly being playable? I know it's a stretch but it makes more sense for Matthew to be playable rather than Isaac.

I wouldn't say that, there is alot of space between the first and third game maybe something happened that we didn't hear about.
But I think since Isaac has already been in Smash in some way they'll use him instead but hey who knows.

 

[Altais]

I honestly believe Isaac will be the Golden Sun representative, seeing as he was the first main protagonist of the series. Lots of people thought a Pikmin 3 character would replace Olimar, and yet he stayed in.

[Shrugs] And anyway, they could always add Matthew as an alternate skin for Isaac. Since Matthew and young Isaac are practically identical, I fancy it would not be that hard.

 

[Deleted member]

I prefer young Isaac to be the rep, AT in brawl, and now he's been introduced again on the VC, it just makes sense.

 

[N3ON]

Honestly if Golden Sun gets a playable rep, and I seriously hope they do, it will most likely be Matthew as I expect GS4 to come out in the next 2-3 years since Camelot is now done with Mario Golf plus Matthew will most likely be the main protagonist of that game.

I know we all think Isaac wasn't shown because he's playable but what if he wasn't shown because the Assist Trophy is now his Adult version and that would have heavily hinted at Matthew possibly being playable? I know it's a stretch but it makes more sense for Matthew to be playable rather than Isaac.

Even if it did come out in the next two to three years, that would be four to five years since the roster was likely compiled, and I doubt even Sakurai knew things that far in advance. As it stood then, and as it stands now, Isaac is still overwhelmingly the face of the series, which comes along with the popularity and the exposure... so even if Matthew is newer, I don't think that by itself can outweigh what Isaac has in his favour. He's pretty much the Marth, or the Olimar of his series.

Plus unveiling any GS AT (Isaac, either version, Matthew, Felix, whoever) during the Direct would've immediately given away whether there was a GS character still hidden away, as it would've shown a specific icon if so. And GS really doesn't seem like the kinda series that would get a stage unless it also had a character tbqh.

 

[Doncalot]

Getting Matthew instead of young Isaac would be a bit of a let down personally, just because of nostalgia mostly. However, this might sound a bit silly, but if Matthew would have an alternative skin as young Isaac I wouldn't have anything to complain about. ^^

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

I can really see it going that way, if we get a GS rep; either Isaac with a Matthew costume, or the other way around.
That said, I'm starting to think Matthew is more likely than Isaac, even if the latter is the face of the series.
They look basically identical (I'm sure someone who's never played GS wouldn't be able to tell them apart, most of the time), and Matthew is a lot more recent; he could even have a game coming up (which is grasping, but yeah).

Also, I don't think they're going to do skins for established characters; only reason Wii Fit Trainer did is because they both lack an identity, as in, they aren't their own person, while Isaac and Matthew are two different (somewhat similar) characters. It's like including two characters in one slot, minus the moveset.

So basically, I think Matthew is a bit more likely, I prefer him, but I completely support both, seeing as we're not even guaranteed a spot.
Sorry if anything seems rude.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I can really see it going that way, if we get a GS rep; either Isaac with a Matthew costume, or the other way around.
That said, I'm starting to think Matthew is more likely than Isaac, even if the latter is the face of the series.
They look basically identical (I'm sure someone who's never played GS wouldn't be able to tell them apart, most of the time), and Matthew is a lot more recent; he could even have a game coming up (which is grasping, but yeah).

Also, I don't think they're going to do skins for established characters; only reason Wii Fit Trainer did is because they both lack an identity, as in, they aren't their own person, while Isaac and Matthew are two different (somewhat similar) characters. It's like including two characters in one slot, minus the moveset.

So basically, I think Matthew is a bit more likely, I prefer him, but I completely support both, seeing as we're not even guaranteed a spot.
Sorry if anything seems rude.

I actually wouldn't be suprised if they got like, mixed.
What I mean is the character being Isaac but with properties from Mathew.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Matthew looks so much like Isaac, I wouldn't even mind seeing him above Isaac. As long as we get that Venus Psynergy moveset.

 

[lurxy]

It is bad to say that but I'm glad Wonder Red is just a trophy and not playable. When you look at the trophy it's the same artwork from the game so the case is closed i think.
It makes things only easier for Isaac and Golden Sun in general when other not represented franchises are left out in the cold.

 

[jweb22]

It is bad to say that but I'm glad Wonder Red is just a trophy and not playable. When you look at the trophy it's the same artwork from the game so the case is closed i think.
It makes things only easier for Isaac and Golden Sun in general when other not represented franchises are left out in the cold.

I'm pretty sad because I wanted Wonder Red too, but as you said it's one less contender for Isaac/Matthew!

 

[Diddy Kong]

Guess that is true. Am quite certain we'll see some more new series characters. Up till now, we only had newcomers from HUGE excisting series, Mario and Pokémon. Doubt that outside of Donkey Kong Country, and maybe Zelda, we'll get many characters from excisting series. Excluding Mewtwo of course.

Also, I'd like to note to my last post: I never played Dark Dawn, but I would have no problems with Matthew.

 

[Deleted member]

So who are the rest of the unrepped franchises Golden Sun still needs to compete with?

Franchises & Likely Reps:

-Golden Sun (Isaac/Matthew)

-Chibi-Robo! (Chibi-Rob)
-Panel de Pon (Lip)
-Wonderful 101
-Brain Age (?)
-Dillions Rolling Western
-Advance Wars (Andy)
-Excitebike (Excitebike?)
-Sin & Punishment
-Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)
-Xenoblade Chronicles (Shulk)
-Custom Robo (?)
-Rhythm Heaven (Chorus Kids)
-Nazo no Murasme-jō (Takamaru)

(I missed so many I bet)

 

[Pacack]

So who are the rest of the unrepped franchises Golden Sun still needs to compete with?

Franchises & Likely Reps:

-Golden Sun (Isaac/Matthew)

-Chibi-Robo! (Chibi-Rob)
-Panel de Pon (Lip)
-Wonderful 101
-Brain Age (?)
-Dillions Rolling Western
-Advance Wars (Andy)
-Excitebike (Excitebike?)
-Sin & Punishment
-Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)
-Xenoblade Chronicles (Shulk)
-Custom Robo (?)
-Rhythm Heaven (Chorus Kids)
-Nazo no Murasme-jō (Takamaru)

I wouldn't say Golden Sun's competing against any retro series. They're kinda in their own department.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I wouldn't say the retro series are a competition, as retro series will get added on their own merrit. So I guess that already rules out Takamaru, Excitebiker and Mach Rider. Panel de Pon also seems out, cause Lip's Stick is back as an item. And wasn't Captain Rainbow also confirmed as an trophy in the last Direct? Not sure...

Am not a believer of any of the current 'leaks' so Chorus Kids seem quite unlikely to me.

To me, it seems only Chibi Robo, and Advance Wars rep and Shulk are Isaac's main serious contenders.

And to me, it seems Shulk might be the biggest obstacle.

 

[Staarih]

Even if Isaac and Matthew have very similar appearances, I'd rather have Isaac in even if just because of his name haha! Seeing "Isaac" just feels more Golden Sun than "Matthew", and the former is surely more iconic within the series anyway. But of course Matthew (or his attire) could (and probably should) be added as an alt costume or something, but anyway, I just feel is needs to be Isaac.

As for competition, as silly as I think the whole Isaac VS Shulk -thing is (and as absurd I think the idea of "competing of a place in Smash" is too), I must agree that Shulk might give Isaac a tough time, to some extent.

 

[Pacack]

I wouldn't say the retro series are a competition, as retro series will get added on their own merrit. So I guess that already rules out Takamaru, Excitebiker and Mach Rider. Panel de Pon also seems out, cause Lip's Stick is back as an item. And wasn't Captain Rainbow also confirmed as an trophy in the last Direct? Not sure...

Am not a believer of any of the current 'leaks' so Chorus Kids seem quite unlikely to me.

To me, it seems only Chibi Robo, and Advance Wars rep and Shulk are Isaac's main serious contenders.

And to me, it seems Shulk might be the biggest obstacle.

Captain Rainbow has not been confirmed as anything. We did get Little Mac's Captain Rainbow form as a trophy, though.

 

[iam8bit]

Yeah, I'd say Wonder Red was one of those characters in direct competition (so to speak) with Isaac.

'Tis a sad day for W101 fans, but at least it's not our guy Isaac.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

So who are the rest of the unrepped franchises Golden Sun still needs to compete with?

Franchises & Likely Reps:

-Golden Sun (Isaac/Matthew)

-Chibi-Robo! (Chibi-Rob)
-Panel de Pon (Lip)
-Wonderful 101
-Brain Age (?)
-Dillions Rolling Western
-Advance Wars (Andy)
-Excitebike (Excitebike?)
-Sin & Punishment
-Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)
-Xenoblade Chronicles (Shulk)
-Custom Robo (?)
-Rhythm Heaven (Chorus Kids)
-Nazo no Murasme-jō (Takamaru)

(I missed so many I bet)

I would say that Lip's chances are very slim with her stick as an item again.

 

[N3ON]

Let's not pretend WR stood much of a chance at playable inclusion...

Guess that is true. Am quite certain we'll see some more new series characters. Up till now, we only had newcomers from HUGE excisting series, Mario and Pokémon. Doubt that outside of Donkey Kong Country, and maybe Zelda, we'll get many characters from excisting series. Excluding Mewtwo of course.

Also, I'd like to note to my last post: I never played Dark Dawn, but I would have no problems with Matthew.

We'll probably be getting some more KI and FE representation as well...

So who are the rest of the unrepped franchises Golden Sun still needs to compete with?

Franchises & Likely Reps:

-Golden Sun (Isaac/Matthew)

-Chibi-Robo! (Chibi-Rob)
-Panel de Pon (Lip)
-Wonderful 101
-Brain Age (?)
-Dillions Rolling Western
-Advance Wars (Andy)
-Excitebike (Excitebike?)
-Sin & Punishment
-Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)
-Xenoblade Chronicles (Shulk)
-Custom Robo (?)
-Rhythm Heaven (Chorus Kids)
-Nazo no Murasme-jō (Takamaru)

(I missed so many I bet)

I wouldn't say some of those series provide much competition, plus as was said, retros are kinda in a different category.

As it stands now, I'd only really see Shulk, Chorus Kids, and maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe an AW rep being notable non-retro new series contenders.

 

[Deleted member]

^
Don't forget Chibi-Robo.

 

[N3ON]

I didn't.

I don't see it.

I think Chibi-Robo is going to be an AT at best.
Even with those games under his belt.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

So who are the rest of the unrepped franchises Golden Sun still needs to compete with?

Franchises & Likely Reps:

-Golden Sun (Isaac/Matthew)

-Chibi-Robo! (Chibi-Rob)
-Panel de Pon (Lip)
-Wonderful 101
-Brain Age (?)
-Dillions Rolling Western
-Advance Wars (Andy)
-Excitebike (Excitebike?)
-Sin & Punishment
-Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)
-Xenoblade Chronicles (Shulk)
-Custom Robo (?)
-Rhythm Heaven (Chorus Kids)
-Nazo no Murasme-jō (Takamaru)

(I missed so many I bet)

Hehe, yeah right, none of these are any competition for Isaac, he already earned a spot, what have these butt-heads done, nothing, what did Isaac do, at least show up in Brawl as a Assist Trophy, therefore like Little Mac, he deserves a promotion.

Lets see here.

Chibi Robo, that's a Assist Trophy if anything, giggle.

Lip is the new Jill for Assist Trophy

Brain Age, what character could possibly represent that, a stage yeah kind of like Pictochat, but that's about it

A generic guy on a Bike, no thanks, we got Wario for that keep that a Assist Trophy or make a Excitebike stage kind of like the F Zero stage where we battle on a moving platform and the bikers are stage hazards much like the F Zero racers.

Captain Rainbow? Who is that, definitely not Super Smash Bros material, it kind of sounds like Captain Planet, either way we only need one Captain and that's Captain Falcon, and as for rainbows, might as well put Rainbow Dash in, giggle, this character sounds very irrelevant.

Ugh, Shulk Shogan, no Shulk Shogan, he's really stupid look at him, giggle, he's not something to play as, he look like something to beat up, and Xenoblade is just ew, it looks like garbage Square would have like their Final Fantasy, or their Kingdom Hearts, are you sure he's not from Kingdom Hearts, because he looks like that's where he belongs he would play around with Mickey Mouse and Sora, oh and his name that's the worst part, Shulk Shogan, it sounds like Hulk Hogan, the worst wrestler ever to set foot in a ring, or the incredible Hulk, except for one thing, he's kind of small, hehe.

Custom Robo, keep that a Assist Trophy, if even that, it looks like something anime, I mean look at it, this isn't Gundam Wing, and that does not belong.

Chorus Kids, these generic looking things, ew..

Takamaru wont make it.

#ShulkShoganShucks

 

[Accursed]

I'm guessing the only characters that could get in over Isaac are Shulk, and Chibi-Robo. The others just seem too unlikely.

 

[Arteen]

Hey now, no need for namecalling.

I'd say Mii, Advance Wars and Takamaru have the best chances. Chibi Robo, Custom Robo and Xenoblade less so. Lip and Rhythm Heaven are long shots. The rest on that list just aren't happening.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Isaac's main competition aside from retros will probably be Brain Age, Rhythm Heaven, and Xenoblade.
He beats Chibi Robo and Advanced Wars for sure though.

Brain Age, what character could possibly represent that, a stage yeah kind of like Pictochat, but that's about it?

The only Brain Age character that exists:

 

[Raetah]

I can really see it going that way, if we get a GS rep; either Isaac with a Matthew costume, or the other way around.
That said, I'm starting to think Matthew is more likely than Isaac, even if the latter is the face of the series.
They look basically identical (I'm sure someone who's never played GS wouldn't be able to tell them apart, most of the time), and Matthew is a lot more recent; he could even have a game coming up (which is grasping, but yeah).

Also, I don't think they're going to do skins for established characters; only reason Wii Fit Trainer did is because they both lack an identity, as in, they aren't their own person, while Isaac and Matthew are two different (somewhat similar) characters. It's like including two characters in one slot, minus the moveset.

So basically, I think Matthew is a bit more likely, I prefer him, but I completely support both, seeing as we're not even guaranteed a spot.
Sorry if anything seems rude.

Felix is more likely than Matthew. Arguments? He is main character of one game and he was an important NPC of another game, also the theme dedicated to this character was the only soundtrack of Golden Sun besides Doom Dragon Theme. If you think that Isaac-clone have any chance to appear in SSB you need to wake up of your Kolimean dream. There are only 4 characters that appeared in all the Golden Sun games. If Isaac becomes playable, Garet could be the AT. He is protagonist of two games and he uses Move before anyone. I say, any of the 8 GBA characters is more likely than Matthew, i say Kraden and Alex are more likely than Matthew. Now stop comparing the chances between Isaac and Matthew, is stupid. Even more than what would be comparing Marth with Chrom if SSB has no FE rep. GS GBA characters are the ultimate heroes of Weyard. GS DS characters are a bunch of idiots that provocated a massacre in Angara.

 

[Doncalot]

Thought I'd share a fake newcomer picture of Isaac I recently made, didn't find many of them when I did some searching earlier.

Spoiler

Wasn't sure if I should go with "Isaac Shakes Things Up!" or "Isaac Lets Out a Howl!", but I decided on the latter for old fan's sake.

Gotta keep the hope alive, I keep having these rollercoasters like "Oh yeah, he'll definitely be in!" to "Oh man, maybe it isn't looking so good". I hope Sakurai delivers.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Jesus guys y'all are being really harsh about the other fan bases.D: there is no need to rank, down grade, and insult other fan bases just to make us feel better about our character I mean seriously guys that's just disgraceful.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Felix is more likely than Matthew. Arguments? He is main character of one game and he was an important NPC of another game, also the theme dedicated to this character was the only soundtrack of Golden Sun besides Doom Dragon Theme. If you think that Isaac-clone have any chance to appear in SSB you need to wake up of your Kolimean dream. There are only 4 characters that appeared in all the Golden Sun games. If Isaac becomes playable, Garet could be the AT. He is protagonist of two games and he uses Move before anyone. I say, any of the 8 GBA characters is more likely than Matthew, i say Kraden and Alex are more likely than Matthew. Now stop comparing the chances between Isaac and Matthew, is stupid. Even more than what would be comparing Marth with Chrom if SSB has no FE rep. GS GBA characters are the ultimate heroes of Weyard. GS DS characters are a bunch of idiots that provocated a massacre in Angara.

Sounds to me like you're one of the people that thinks Dark Dawn characters have no chance because you hate it.
But agreed with NSGuy; let's not take this thread in that direction.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Isaac's main competition aside from retros will probably be Brain Age, Rhythm Heaven, and Xenoblade.
He beats Chibi Robo and Advanced Wars for sure though.

Why for sure, necessarily?
Chibi-Robo, Andy, and/or Sami are all worthwhile and recognizable Nintendo characters who IMO deserve to be in as much as anyone.

The only Brain Age character that exists:

I'd rather Dr. Lobe TBH.

 

[Starcutter]

I'd rather Dr. Lobe TBH.

yussssssssssss


About Issac, he's one of those guys that can be called by a coin flip and have equal chances of getting it right.

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

Either way, even if Isaac was put in he is still no match for Ganondorf, despite how much I like Isaac, Ganondorf would still be my main no matter what.

Shulk would just be another for Ganondorf to kick, after all if Shulk was put in over Isaac, then respectfully I'm going to pull a Karst and get revenge on Shulk for being in over Isaac, this goes for everybody else too.

 

[Altais]

Thought I'd share a fake newcomer picture of Isaac I recently made, didn't find many of them when I did some searching earlier.

Spoiler

Wasn't sure if I should go with "Isaac Shakes Things Up!" or "Isaac Lets Out a Howl!", but I decided on the latter for old fan's sake.

Gotta keep the hope alive, I keep having these rollercoasters like "Oh yeah, he'll definitely be in!" to "Oh man, maybe it isn't looking so good". I hope Sakurai delivers.

Huh, that is a pretty good reference. I never would have thought of that.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Either way, even if Isaac was put in he is still no match for Ganondorf, despite how much I like Isaac, Ganondorf would still be my main no matter what.

Shulk would just be another for Ganondorf to kick, after all if Shulk was put in over Isaac, then respectfully I'm going to pull a Karst and get revenge on Shulk for being in over Isaac, this goes for everybody else too.

Why it should it ever come off this way? Back when they started making the game is when they were hand picking which characters to roll with or who to cast aside. I hardly doubt they actually thought "can't have two different characters from different franchises in the roster, have to pick one." If Isaac was going to be in, he'll be in. Same goes for shulk, they have nothing on each other. Nonetheless, I want them both too

 

[TeamFlareZakk]

I could accept Shulk if Isaac were to be added too, I just think it would make me rather angry at Shulk for taking a spot on the roster while Isaac still has to be a Assist Trophy, then that frustration is directed at Shulk, however if both were playable, I'd actually consider playing as Shulk because he's a new character, I think they could fit both considering Lucas is probably going to be cut to keep one Earthbound character and even with two FE characters I think both could be put in, it would bring two new series in the game.

I don't want to hate Shulk, but I would if he took Isaac's spot leaving Isaac with being a Assist Trophy again, ROB was the guy I hated on in Brawl because I thought Isaac would of been better than that piece of junk, I even hated on Lucas a little, I thought one Earthbound character was enough, I also hated on Jigglypuff because the supposed rumor that Mewtwo was suppose to be in, but they ran out of time so they just settled for Jigglypuff, I hated on Sonic because he was responsible for that one delay and of course his your too slow and of course the Starfox characters too many, nice to see Wolf, but three is too many.

My point is I would hate anybody who was put in over Isaac, and that does mean I'll probably end up beating them up, which is a shame because I'm sure Shulk could be a interesting character to play, but I just can't play as him unless Isaac is playable too I'm remaining loyal to my favorite RPG series here.

 

[SmashBro99]

Can't they just pull a WTF and give me Piers?

Or Isaac..

But yeah Piers <3

 

[Arteen]

It'll be a shame if Isaac misses the cut when the roster already has redundant characters like Toon Link.

 

[Kind Dedede]

It'll be a shame if Isaac misses the cut when the roster already has redundant characters like Toon Link.

Yeah, who seriously wanted him back? Fix Link and be done with it, I don't need a replacement clone.