Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[ToothiestAura]

The vibe I'm getting is that Sakurai feels you only get wowed by a cutscene/trailer once, and if they're leaking onto the internet that takes away from experiencing them in-game, where Sakurai intended them to be found last time around. That's why this time he's making them with the intent to be found on the internet instead, which is why him hiding some away to be found in the game would seemingly go against his principles, as it would definitely leak before people following the game could find it.

That said, I still think he will leave some to be found in-game, because Sakurai says a lot of things.

Yeah, the article writer seemed more positive than Sakurai. But I think he wants some to be in the game and then be put on the internet by players.

 

[RhymesWithEmpty]

The Lost Age probably won't be released for a while, but that will give you plenty of time to write down the gold transfer password.

I just want to take the opportunity to point out how great this post is, even though I already liked it, because I thought it went vastly under-appreciated. If there was an award show for this thread, I feel this post would win all the awards.

Butnosrsly I thought it was really funny, well played, Arteen 8B

In other news... Dillon! At first I was like, "Awe yeah, yet another AT that isn't Isaac!" But then I was all, "Mannn, but Sakurai said there are still more to come..." Oh Sakurai, you cruel, cruel tease! That said, my thoughts on Isaac being an AT again are very conflicting, because I expect it... but dread it... but also figure, hey, if he looks as good as Dillon, at least we'll get a gorgeous AT!

 

[Altais]

Honestly, I really hope they devise an easier way to transfer your data to The Lost Age. Maybe they could update the link transfer mode so that it searches for the first Golden Sun on your Wii U, and once it is found, you can simply choose the clear data you wish to transfer. I still remember those painful hours of writing down and entering the Gold password, only to learn that I made a damn typo somewhere. And since I was not sure whether said typo(s) existed on the paper or the screen, I had to switch cartridges, look over the password again, then re-enter it all over again. Ah, good times.

Off-topic: for a second, due to his high-quality design, I thought that Dillion fellow was a new playable character. It was only when I did not see the "Challenger Approaching" sign that I realised he was just an Assist Trophy.

[EDIT] (Looks at post count) Huh, lucky threes.

 

[SmashShadow]

27 assist trophies in Brawl
21 assist trophies so far in Smash 4

I don't expect there to be more than 40 total and it's still unsure as to if there are more veteran assist trophies. Either way, Isaac seems in a good position.

 

[Arteen]

New franchise Assist Trophies in Brawl, crossed out if they appear in SSB4:

• Barbara the Bat
  
• Devil
• Dr Wright
• Excitebike
• Helirin
  
• Infantry and Tanks
• Isaac
• Jill
• Little Mac - Little Mac on the roster!
  
• Mr. Resetti - Villager on the roster!
• Nintendog
• Ray
  
• Saki
• Starfy

Both Punch-Out and Animal Crossing jumped to roster status in SSB4. Animal Crossing hardly counts because Sakurai already treated it like a "top tier" franchise in Brawl, so only Punch-Out has actually graduated on a franchise level. I'd be quite shocked if that's the only franchise to do so.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

E3 I think will be the moment of truth for any remaining Brawl ATs.

Also, what would you like to see in a hypothetical Golden Sun 4?

 

[Arcadenik]

Y'know what would really be something is if Isaac doesn't make the cut this time, we get GS4 after SSB4 releases, the demand for Isaac shoots right back up and dies down again by the time SSB5 comes around.

Yeah, kinda like what happened when Sin & Punishment: Star Successor and The Legendary Starfy came out after Brawl came out... of course, it already happened when Golden Sun: Dark Dawn came out, too.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

E3 I think will be the moment of truth for any remaining Brawl ATs.

Also, what would you like to see in a hypothetical Golden Sun 4?

Well, I haven't played the first two games yet (plan to when I get my Wii U), so I really can't decide on what I think'd be good in the next game.
Maybe have one big final reunion with most of the main characters from the series; as in, have the main plot involving most of them.
Not sure.
And Sveta.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

New franchise Assist Trophies in Brawl, crossed out if they appear in SSB4:

• Barbara the Bat
  
• Devil
• Dr Wright
• Excitebike
• Helirin
  
• Infantry and Tanks
• Isaac
• Jill
• Little Mac - Little Mac on the roster!
  
• Mr. Resetti - Villager on the roster!
• Nintendog
• Ray
  
• Saki
• Starfy

Both Punch-Out and Animal Crossing jumped to roster status in SSB4. Animal Crossing hardly counts because Sakurai already treated it like a "top tier" franchise in Brawl, so only Punch-Out has actually graduated on a franchise level. I'd be quite shocked if that's the only franchise to do so.

Well honestly, it's between Golden Sun, Advance Wars, and I guess Custom Robo.

 

[Doncalot]

I hope that the fact SSB4 is coming to handhelds aswell could give Golden Sun an edge, for some more handheld nintendo franchises representation. Same could be said about some other franchises though.

 

[Arteen]

E3 I think will be the moment of truth for any remaining Brawl ATs.

Also, what would you like to see in a hypothetical Golden Sun 4?

Better story, characters, plot, writing. Also some focus.

A bit harsh, but the character and story writing have always been weak in the Golden Sun games. This was true in the GBA games and especially true Dark Dawn. That's the biggest criticism I hear from people who didn't enjoy the games, too.

I'd also like an overhauled combat system. There are a ton of neat ideas there, but it doesn't come together that well. Dark Dawn felt too easy and having the same combat four games in a row will feel stale.

Most of all, I want the game to have a budget, production values, and for Camelot to have all the time and resources they need to make a truly excellent game.

 

[Altais]

Better story, characters, plot, writing. Also some focus.

A bit harsh, but the character and story writing have always been weak in the Golden Sun games. This was true in the GBA games and especially true Dark Dawn. That's the biggest criticism I hear from people who didn't enjoy the games,too.

Though the overall plot in Golden Sun 1 & 2 was not particularly bad, I kind of have to agree with this statement. The characters could definitely use more depth, in terms of personality--especially some of the characters in Dark Dawn. To mine memory, there was not a lot of character growth in any of the games. That is why I like Amiti so much; because compared to the other characters, he had a much more noticeable change in personality throughout his journey with Matthew and crew. Due to his sheltered upbringing, in the beginning he has a rather binary viewpoint on the world--this is particularly shown when he first meets Eoleo and his dad, Briggs; he is absolutely opposed to helping Eoleo at all and generally acts hostile toward him, believing that all pirates are filthy scumbags. But after witnessing the heroic acts of Briggs and working with Eoleo, Amiti begins to become much more open-minded and less judgmental. Also, Tyrell seriously needs a hard blow to his ego. Karis was pretty cool; I liked how she generally acted as the brains of the group and kept everyone in line. I hope they give her even more grit in the next game, assuming it gets made. I would have liked Reif better if he was less passive and a little more gutsy and forthright, and more of a wise-cracking know-it-all. [Shrugs] But that is just me.

In Golden Sun 4, they could not only give the characters more depth, but also build upon their relationships with each other. For instance, they could create scenes throughout the game in which the party is just taking a breather, whether at an inn or around a campfire. In those scenes, the characters could take their time interacting with each other and getting to know each other better. In this regard, I think Camelot could learn a lot from NamcoBandai's Tales games.

I'd also like an overhauled combat system. There are a ton of neat ideas there, but it doesn't come together that well. Dark Dawn felt too easy and having the same combat four games in a row will feel stale.

Personally, I am hoping they will keep the turn-based combat, but add a lot more things to it besides Attack, Psynergy, Djinn, and Summons. The monsters could be a lot smarter, and have special abilities to make up for their weaknesses. For instance, the bats could have very weak defence and HP, but could make up for that with extreme speed and various stat-affecting moves (e.g. temporarily immobilising the player with a piercing screech, or dizzying the player by rapidly circling around him/her (inducing the "delusion" effect)). In the GBA games as well as Dark Dawn, the boss battles were pretty fun because they required a lot of strategy and critical thinking to defeat (especially the Star Magician), while regular battles could easily become a drag, as all they really required was brute force. I remember posting a "Dark Mode" idea somewhere in this thread, which some users approved of. I could think of many more ideas, but in the end I would really just be wasting mine time, since they would never reach Camelot's ears.

 

[Arteen]

My dream game:

Spoiler

 

[FalKoopa]

My dream game:

Spoiler

I don't see Golden Sun being released on the Playstations anytime soon.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I would love if Golden Sun 4 took a leaf out of Xenoblade's (and many others) book and have some kind of character chat moments. Like locations on the map where certain characters talk to each other about anything. I feel those really add depth to an experience, you see characters without their work face on.

Anything that makes the characters more alive and dynamic. (maybe a relationship system)

Also an increased emphasis on exploration and secrets would be nifty.

 

[Arcadenik]

Well honestly, it's between Golden Sun, Advance Wars, and I guess Custom Robo.

For me, it is Golden Sun, Advance Wars, and Punch-Out!!... I always felt that those three franchises deserved playable characters... Advance Wars is a long running franchise, beginning from the Famicom to the Wii... though this franchise needs more games to stay relevant in the gaming scene... the same goes for Golden Sun as well... it's been so long since they had new games. I am going to purchase Advance Wars and Golden Sun from eShop just so I would fill out Club Nintendo surveys and tell them I want more Advance Wars and Golden Sun games...

 

[Cap'nChreest]

I like Isaac. I think he was skipped in the direct because he is an unlockable assist trophy like he was in Brawl...

 

[Diddy Kong]

I like Isaac. I think he was skipped in the direct because he is an unlockable assist trophy like he was in Brawl...

Isaac was revealed on the Brawl Dojo, despite being an unlockable AT.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

Isaac was revealed on the Brawl Dojo, despite being an unlockable AT.

But wasn't that after release? I don't see your point.

Unless your just informing lol. I'm not saying anything definitive. Just something to note.

 

[Deleted member]

Gray Fox was unlocked when snake unlocked, Shadow was unlocked when Sonic unlocked.

We've already seen Elec Man, and he will probably be unlockable. I say Isaac still has a good shot.

 

[N3ON]

To be fair, 3rd party stuff doesn't really follow the same rules as the rest of the content...

 

[Diddy Kong]

I would like it though that when Isaac is unlocked, we'll get a Felix / Matthew AT unlocked with him.

 

[Kind Dedede]

I'm really hoping for Isaac, just purchased GS on the eShop and waiting for it to finish downloading. From what I've seen/heard of the franchise, he could bring an entirely different perspective to the game.

Although pardon my stupid, but would he be the first 2nd party character to make it into the roster if he gets the bump up?

 

[Pacack]

I'm really hoping for Isaac, just purchased GS on the eShop and waiting for it to finish downloading. From what I've seen/heard of the franchise, he could bring an entirely different perspective to the game.

Although pardon my stupid, but would he be the first 2nd party character to make it into the roster if he gets the bump up?

...Pokemon...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

...Pokemon...

I also believe the Mother franchise is second party.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I also believe the Mother franchise is second party.

and Fire Emblem.

 

[ToothiestAura]

and Fire Emblem.

And Kirby. (And Hal Laboratories. Which means Smash is Second party. *Gasp*)

 

[N3ON]

I also believe the Mother franchise is second party.

and Fire Emblem.

And Kirby. (And Hal Laboratories. Which means Smash is Second party. *Gasp*)

Three nos.
Just because they aren't developed by Nintendo themselves doesn't mean they aren't first-party. Nintendo completely owns the development studio that makes the IP, and the rights to all content currently produced by the studios, making them first-party.

Pokemon is currently the only second-party IP with playable representation in Smash.

 

[DraginHikari]

I always assumed 2nd party was less of a thing and more of a way we internalize more complex corperate structures.

 

[Kind Dedede]

...Pokemon...

Thought nintendo absorbed them into First party over the years. Once again, I was having a stupid. Thank you for reassuring me nonetheless.

 

[N3ON]

I'd assume at this point changing the legal structure of the Pokemon IP would be a nightmare. GS would be a little simpler, as there are only two parties involved (Nintendo and Camelot), but Nintendo really doesn't seem interested in acquiring more of any of its longtime partners. :/

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I'd assume at this point changing the legal structure of the Pokemon IP would be a nightmare. GS would be a little simpler, as there are only two parties involved (Nintendo and Camelot), but Nintendo really doesn't seem interested in acquiring more of any of its longtime partners. :/

So Golden Sun would indeed be second-party, unlike Kirby and Fire Emblem?

 

[N3ON]

So Golden Sun would indeed be second-party, unlike Kirby and Fire Emblem?

Yeah, Nintendo doesn't own Camelot, only a minority amount of it, and while it does co-own the GS IP, it most likely does not have complete control of it.

Every second party is a bit different tbh, so there's always a bit of guessing.

 

[Doncalot]

Just thought I'd leave this little arrangement with you guys. It's a bit slow at the start, but it's totally worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=badZ4rIRHo0


Really makes me wonder how awesome Golden Sun would be if it was a fullblown home console RPG series.

 

[Altais]

Off-topic: It would be so awesome if Nintendo bought Sega, Capcom, and NamcoBandai. Though, I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

Just thought I'd leave this little arrangement with you guys. It's a bit slow at the start, but it's totally worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=badZ4rIRHo0

Really makes me wonder how awesome Golden Sun would be if it was a fullblown home console RPG series.

Huh, this is actually pretty good. I think it would be the perfect opening theme for a Golden Sun movie. This video majorly made up for today's exhausting events.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Just thought I'd leave this little arrangement with you guys. It's a bit slow at the start, but it's totally worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=badZ4rIRHo0


Really makes me wonder how awesome Golden Sun would be if it was a fullblown home console RPG series.

Awesome.

 

[N3ON]

Off-topic: It would be so awesome if Nintendo bought Sega, Capcom, and NamcoBandai. Though, I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

I'd settle for just one of them... Nintendo does need to expand its repertoire... plus it would breathe new life into Smash.

Just thought I'd leave this little arrangement with you guys. It's a bit slow at the start, but it's totally worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=badZ4rIRHo0


Really makes me wonder how awesome Golden Sun would be if it was a fullblown home console RPG series.

Well that certainly makes the yearning for all that great high quality GS content we'd get with a playable Isaac harder to supress.

 

[Vann Accessible]

Regardless of Camelot being a second party, I really doubt Camelot would have a problem with Isaac being in Smash Bros. He was in Brawl already. Having him be playable would just bring more recognition to the Golden Sun series and let them sell more games in the future.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Off-topic: It would be so awesome if Nintendo bought Sega, Capcom, and NamcoBandai. Though, I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

Would have been awesome to see Nintendo do this and do a shifty eye as they include them in further iterations. Never going to happen, but who doesn't want imagine a world where dig dug is a possible character?

 

[FalKoopa]

Just thought I'd leave this little arrangement with you guys. It's a bit slow at the start, but it's totally worth it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=badZ4rIRHo0


Really makes me wonder how awesome Golden Sun would be if it was a fullblown home console RPG series.

Remixes of the Venus Lighthouse theme are always welcome. It is my single favourite BGM in the entire series.