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Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.
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TeamFlareZakk
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I got Earth, Isaac's element, now give me Isaac as a playable character!
I'm all for Robin being put in.
I'm all for Robin being put in.
Sort of the like a variable Dragoon? Well if they don't make it into the moveset, this is certainly a more than fine idea - though depending on the number of summons it could be a fair amount of work.
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After cruising through the Golden Sun wikis, I came up with some ideas for Golden Sun items in Smash 4. I did NOT just pick these at random; I handpicked what I felt could bring something totally different to the table.
Trident of Ankohl -- This item functions similarly to the Dragoon, in that you must collect all three prongs in order to unleash the weapon's power. Unlike the Dragoon, however, it has a completely different effect. Upon collecting all three trident prongs, the trident enlarges, plunges into the ground, then sets of a large explosion of wind and lightning that KO's any nearby opponent.
Otafuku Mask -- This item is similar to the Bunny Hood in that you cannot remove it once you have picked it up--but, of course, it will disappear after a while. When this Mask is worn, the player will be able to spout water at opponents by pressing the normal attack button. It has the same effect at Mario's fully-charged FLUDD.
Angelic Ankh -- A Magickal staff that drains the life force of other beings. When you whack someone with this staff, your damage percentage will be subtracted by any damage you dealt to the opponent(s). Like the Star Rod, after a while this item will lose its effect.
Sleep Bomb -- Functions similarly to the Deku Nut, except it puts opponents to sleep. Explosion also covers a larger radius.
Bramble Seed -- A spiny seed that, when hit or thrown at a wall, floor, or platform, will sprout into a large bush of prickly vines that damage and entangle opponents.
Mist Potion -- A healing item that, when picked up, heals all participants in the match. Depending on the circumstances, this item can influence the battle in myriad ways.
Trident of Ankohl -- This item functions similarly to the Dragoon, in that you must collect all three prongs in order to unleash the weapon's power. Unlike the Dragoon, however, it has a completely different effect. Upon collecting all three trident prongs, the trident enlarges, plunges into the ground, then sets of a large explosion of wind and lightning that KO's any nearby opponent.
Otafuku Mask -- This item is similar to the Bunny Hood in that you cannot remove it once you have picked it up--but, of course, it will disappear after a while. When this Mask is worn, the player will be able to spout water at opponents by pressing the normal attack button. It has the same effect at Mario's fully-charged FLUDD.
Angelic Ankh -- A Magickal staff that drains the life force of other beings. When you whack someone with this staff, your damage percentage will be subtracted by any damage you dealt to the opponent(s). Like the Star Rod, after a while this item will lose its effect.
Sleep Bomb -- Functions similarly to the Deku Nut, except it puts opponents to sleep. Explosion also covers a larger radius.
Bramble Seed -- A spiny seed that, when hit or thrown at a wall, floor, or platform, will sprout into a large bush of prickly vines that damage and entangle opponents.
Mist Potion -- A healing item that, when picked up, heals all participants in the match. Depending on the circumstances, this item can influence the battle in myriad ways.
SorrowOfAcheron
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Great ideas.
Especially like the Bramble Seed and Trident of Ankohl, since I'm all for flashy stuff.
Capybara Gaming
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Looking like Isaac's chances are dimming.
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I'm curious to know how so?
Capybara Gaming
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Running under the assumption we'll get about 48-52 fighters, we can assume a few others are near shoo-in status (Pac-Man, Mii, Palutena, and possibly Shulk and Mewtwo - 5) not to mention finishing out the veterans assuming only 2-4 are cut from Brawl, plus two likely characters (a DKC rep and Takamaru - Sakurai said if he got a revival he would most likely get into Smash) that puts us at our "limit".
One thing that DOES throw me off is why we didn't see Isaac in the direct, when we saw Saki return as an assist. Although, Isaac could just not be done yet.
One thing that DOES throw me off is why we didn't see Isaac in the direct, when we saw Saki return as an assist. Although, Isaac could just not be done yet.
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Or he's an unlockable AT just like in Brawl.
True Blue Warrior
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Either that or an unlockable playable character.
Capybara Gaming
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Luigi's been revealed. He's practically guaranteed to be unlockable. This means NOTHING!
True Blue Warrior
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Do you honestly expect every newcomer to be shown pre-release especially considering the disappointment people had with the few unlockable newcomers in Brawl? I don't.
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No. But I doubt he would be unlockable in the first place.
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Isaac's chances haven't changed since the direct, simply because of the lack of information we have.
Why not? It's not like he's from the biggest or most prominent of series, which currently isn't that popular either. He wouldn't help promotion as much as several other characters, so with all that, why does being an unlockable sound so unlikely?
Capybara Gaming
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Because he is still semi-popular, his inclusion would make sales better than if he was hidden until after release. Mewtwo is the same way, but people will find a way to show him off
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A character like Isaac would be absolutely perfect as an unlockable newcomer.
Considering just how few secret newcomers Brawl has, Isaac works well.
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The same thing could've been said about several characters previously locked. Obv Luigi, Captain Falcon, Lucario, Mewtwo, Ganondorf, Marth (in Japan), etc. all would've helped in sales at one point or another with Smash, yet they remained hidden as well. He would help with sales a bit, but so would most characters, yet they won't all be shown pre-release (not officially anyway), and it's not like characters such as the ones already revealed wouldn't bring more to the sales at this point than Isaac would.
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Marth's appearance was in Melee, and was originally intended as a JP exclusive.
Regardless, I don't see Isaac making it anymore.
Regardless, I don't see Isaac making it anymore.
youre presuming an awful lot there
Exactly, even in Melee as a Japanese exclusive in the Japanese version where he was definitely the most popular character from his series, he was still an unlockable.
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Because Xenoblade has a confirmed game coming out while Golden Sun is still in hiatus. That's the only reason I can think of. You'd probably have to ask the people in Shulk's thread for any other answer.
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Just look and watch footage at the game and you will instantly see merits onto why Shulk should be included. And also what jweb22 said to a lesser extent.
I wholeheartedly believe that Shulk should get in, but that isn't the question. Why do people believe that Shulk has more of a shot than Isaac?
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Bias, most likely.
Isaac probably has more of a chance, realistically.
Isaac has appeared in two games and his series has already been recognized in Smash (probably the biggest edge he has over Shulk).
However, their chances are probably pretty even.
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Personally, as interesting a character I think Shulk could make, I can't shake the feeling that he's just too recent. Compared to most other viable characters, he's the young and inexperienced upstart - only one game that just came out 4 years ago. Even Olimar had a gap of 6-7 years between his first game and Brawl, + another game in the meantime, and maybe I'm mis-remembering it, but I recall Sakurai saying something about Olimar being the only recent character he deemed as worthy of playable status. And while Sakurai's standards have been known to change (ie, Villager), I don't think Shulk has made nearly as big a splash as Olimar had. This is why I largely dismiss any rumors/"leaks" that include Shulk - it just feels like too much of a fanboy wishlist to me.
The only way I see Shulk getting in is if Nintendo really wants to push this new X game and make it a huge franchise. Which, I'll admit, would make sense, since Xenoblade had a huge cult following that they couldn't have possibly missed due to Operation Rainfall, and they do often come under criticism for not creating any new blockbusters and just relying on the classics. If they managed to turn Xenoblade into their own, Nintendo-exclusive JRPG mega-hit franchise, I'd imagine that would be pretty big for them. And adding Shulk to Smash could be a great way to do that. The question is, are they willing to go that far? Would Sakurai be willing to add Shulk to the roster on the promise of X being really big? It really all hinges on X for Shulk, I think, and how big Nintendo wants to push it. So I think, if we're going to see Shulk, we'll see him at E3 - their best opportunity to promote the hell out of X by showcasing him in Smash Bros. If we don't see Shulk at E3, I will be really surprised if we see him at all. That would be a really big marketing opportunity for Nintendo to miss.
How this compares to Isaac's likelihood... it's difficult to say. Like I said, I see Shulk as a bit of a fanboy's dream, but Isaac is kind of in the same boat. He's got 3 games to Shulk's current 1, been around much longer, and Golden Sun also has a decent following, so he does provide some serious competition in that regard. But his time in the... limelight (bad joke, averted!) was basically 10 years ago. If Dark Dawn had been a big hit, he may have been a shoe-in, but, well... we all pretty much know how that went, I think. It's possible that the expanded roster left just enough room for him to edge his way in this time around, but I kind of feel like if he didn't make it in Brawl, Dark Dawn didn't really do much to improve his predicament, and he may very well have been deemed unworthy yet again.
So, a really, really new franchise with lots of promise but very little history vs. an older franchise that had 2 highly revered games, but whose momentum has sort of come to a halt and has been passed on once already. Not to say this is how Sakurai approached it, or anything like that, 'cause god knows we've argued about that enough already. But when you compare the two, this is how it seems in my mind. When it really comes down to it, I think it depends on how badly Nintendo wants to promote Shulk/X, assuming he's a tie-in for that game, vs... how much Sakurai likes Isaac/Golden Sun? XD
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The only way I see Shulk getting in is if Nintendo really wants to push this new X game and make it a huge franchise. Which, I'll admit, would make sense, since Xenoblade had a huge cult following that they couldn't have possibly missed due to Operation Rainfall, and they do often come under criticism for not creating any new blockbusters and just relying on the classics. If they managed to turn Xenoblade into their own, Nintendo-exclusive JRPG mega-hit franchise, I'd imagine that would be pretty big for them. And adding Shulk to Smash could be a great way to do that. The question is, are they willing to go that far? Would Sakurai be willing to add Shulk to the roster on the promise of X being really big? It really all hinges on X for Shulk, I think, and how big Nintendo wants to push it. So I think, if we're going to see Shulk, we'll see him at E3 - their best opportunity to promote the hell out of X by showcasing him in Smash Bros. If we don't see Shulk at E3, I will be really surprised if we see him at all. That would be a really big marketing opportunity for Nintendo to miss.
How this compares to Isaac's likelihood... it's difficult to say. Like I said, I see Shulk as a bit of a fanboy's dream, but Isaac is kind of in the same boat. He's got 3 games to Shulk's current 1, been around much longer, and Golden Sun also has a decent following, so he does provide some serious competition in that regard. But his time in the... limelight (bad joke, averted!) was basically 10 years ago. If Dark Dawn had been a big hit, he may have been a shoe-in, but, well... we all pretty much know how that went, I think. It's possible that the expanded roster left just enough room for him to edge his way in this time around, but I kind of feel like if he didn't make it in Brawl, Dark Dawn didn't really do much to improve his predicament, and he may very well have been deemed unworthy yet again.
So, a really, really new franchise with lots of promise but very little history vs. an older franchise that had 2 highly revered games, but whose momentum has sort of come to a halt and has been passed on once already. Not to say this is how Sakurai approached it, or anything like that, 'cause god knows we've argued about that enough already. But when you compare the two, this is how it seems in my mind. When it really comes down to it, I think it depends on how badly Nintendo wants to promote Shulk/X, assuming he's a tie-in for that game, vs... how much Sakurai likes Isaac/Golden Sun? XD
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Me too, just why wasn't he a Assist Trophy, unless for some reason he was, like Little Mac, being converted into being playable?
Yeah think about it.
I wouldn't say those characters are exactly a shoe in, except maybe Mewtwo, at this moment the only thing I could probably confirm a shoe in is a second Fire Emblem character.
Pac-Man looks to me not playable, but maybe being involved somehow with that Namco thingy they have as a item.
The only thing I see Miis doing is being your in game name, nothing more.
Shulk seems to me like he's going to replace Isaac, as a Assist Trophy then Isaac will be moved to being playable.
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The only leak I'll ever truly believe was the Harmonix leak of Rock Band 3 during an interview. Had one person talking about the game while somebody behind them was going through the songs. Just like the brawl leak that emerged towards release date of the roster, unless its a clear leak or accidental reveal, I don't trust any of them.
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Isaac lives another day!
lets see here...26 days till nintedo e3 thing, Isaac must survive 19 more pics of the day.
lets see here...26 days till nintedo e3 thing, Isaac must survive 19 more pics of the day.
Kind Dedede
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Which is kind of funny, deciding not to announce any but rather go the opposite route.
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As an unlockable AT, that might take a while till post-release.
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Depending on when the 3DS version is released July or august is my bet and though I'm leaning more to august I wouldn't be too suprised to see it in July.
I remember that leak, and yeah it was quite an obvious leak given the accompanying video... but we had something similar last time with the Lucario/Ness/Jiggs leak. It was just as believable considering it was in an official video...
That said, while I believe that Sal leak, by no means does that indicate the full roster has been revealed, or even that Sal's leak is absolutely valid.
Even if he's playable I think chances are against an E3 reveal tbh.
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Also to those people who keep saying Isaac is a unlockable assist trophy and that why he wasn't shown in the direct, just to point one thing out, they actually showed one in the trailer probably.... I think.
In brawl both 3rd party chars (Snake + Sonic) were unlockable chars and upon unlocking them, you would also unlock Gray Fox + Shadow respectively. This leads me to think that Elec-Man who was shown in the direct is going to be unlockable as well (along with Megaman of course).
This of course means nothing, there could be any number of reasons why they didn't show Isaac, could be his model wasn't done, maybe they didn't show him because he's going to be a unlockable assist trophy again, but the one possiblity we are all hoping for, is like Little Mac before him, he has ascended to the full blown Character status.
In brawl both 3rd party chars (Snake + Sonic) were unlockable chars and upon unlocking them, you would also unlock Gray Fox + Shadow respectively. This leads me to think that Elec-Man who was shown in the direct is going to be unlockable as well (along with Megaman of course).
This of course means nothing, there could be any number of reasons why they didn't show Isaac, could be his model wasn't done, maybe they didn't show him because he's going to be a unlockable assist trophy again, but the one possiblity we are all hoping for, is like Little Mac before him, he has ascended to the full blown Character status.
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Just as long as they don't do the reveal like they did for Wolf for Brawl. He was leaked somewhat and it seemed almost unwanted of an entry because of it too. Had they stepped in and owned up to it he may not of had as much flack as he did. Although I would be glad to see them try to legitimately announce a character from left field or two Retro characters instead of main protagonists after people unlock them. That way people who see the Duck Hunt Dog or Excite Biker pop up won't be complaining as much if they're immediately announced in comparison to being a treasure hunt.
You think Nintendo would outright confirm a leak? A Smash Bros. leak? That's pretty unrealistic...
Not to mention, Wolf didn't receive nearly as much flack as I remember ROB and to a lesser extent TL receiving. When he was originally leaked people didn't even know he was a semi-clone, and he was a character with demand, so no, I don't remember him being some sort of pariah. Especially not for leaking. People don't hate characters for being leaked, if anything it gives people more time to adjust to the idea of that character. Look at Chorus Men, if the leak turns out to be valid people will at least be expecting it and not react as adversely as if he was hypothetically unknown the whole time only to be the last character revealed - he'd become the new ROB if that were the case.
Whether Isaac is leaked or revealed officially I don't see that being the factor his reception hinges on.