Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[MagiusNecros]

Use catch on any projectile. Projectile is gone for rest of the match. Make it work on the Luma too.

 

[Aguki90]

Use catch on any projectile. Projectile is gone for rest of the match. Make it work on the Luma too.

Now, Isaac is the NEW Villager!

 

[MagiusNecros]

Meh whatever.

 

[Deleted member]

Meh whatever.

Well, if Isaac's gonna use a hand-based Psynergy, you gotta at least come up with Master Hand jokes when he finally comes around to fight.

 

[Apollyon]

Well, if Isaac's gonna use a hand-based Psynergy, you gotta at least come up with Master Hand jokes when he finally comes around to fight.

Well, you gotta hand it to Isaac, he really knows how to manhandle the opponent.

I guess he really comes in handy in a fighting game, three fists are better than one.

etc.

... I got nothing.

In other news, pardons if this has come up before, but some of the other character DLC threads are asking people to request their character on the club Nintendo survey. Any real point to that / have you guys done it yet?

 

[Kisae]

I laughed so loud with the pic po Isaac's Psy Hand and Master Hand XD

Anyways i think yes Isaac is travelling in the seas to arrive in Smash, it should have take a break in a Lighthouse x)

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well, you gotta hand it to Isaac, he really knows how to manhandle the opponent.

I guess he really comes in handy in a fighting game, three fists are better than one.

etc.

... I got nothing.

In other news, pardons if this has come up before, but some of the other character DLC threads are asking people to request their character on the club Nintendo survey. Any real point to that / have you guys done it yet?

In my Club Nintendo survey I complained about the total lack of GS content.

 

[LasermasterA]

I still have to get the game to be able to complain. I will get my Wii U in 2 days and I guess I'll buy Smash digitally, 2-3 days later.

Till then it's Etrian Odyssey IV for me.

Meh whatever.

Isaac wins! There is no other character in Smash who can do that!

 

[Accursed]

Well, you gotta hand it to Isaac, he really knows how to manhandle the opponent.

I guess he really comes in handy in a fighting game, three fists are better than one.

etc.

... I got nothing.

In other news, pardons if this has come up before, but some of the other character DLC threads are asking people to request their character on the club Nintendo survey. Any real point to that / have you guys done it yet?

That reminds me; I need to spam Isaac's name on my SSB Wii U post play survey.

 

[9Blades]

Isaac is Missing in Action.
That abbreviated is MIA.
Mia also confirmed.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Yeah in that survey thing I made a blurb about how Golden Sun got 2 music tracks but Isaac as an assist was cut and there were no trophies from Golden Sun at all. Will the guy looking at all these surveys care? Probably not. But it's the thought that counts. Course survey guy has to go through my Ridley disappointment too. Odds are he won't even read the GS blurb.

I still want to implement the Element Shift idea for like 4 different movesets repping all the base elements. Could use a special taunt mechanic and we can still have our 4 specials. But won't happen.

But realistically we would have our 4 specials(psynergy based), our smash attacks would be Djinn attacks such as Flint who is super iconic. FS is a toss up between Megiddo and a Summon honestly. But Grab being Catch has to happen.

But I do wonder if the reason behind no GS trophy is that Isaac actually got a new design for Smash and that basically seals the deal for DLC. Or Sakurai is a Dodobrain. One of the two has to be right.

 

[Desert Croc]

But I do wonder if the reason behind no GS trophy is that Isaac actually got a new design for Smash and that basically seals the deal for DLC. Or Sakurai is a Dodobrain. One of the two has to be right.

Probably what it is. You may notice how Little Mac got a new design when he was made playable compared to his AT design in Brawl, but then again, it is based of his Punch Out Wii design.

 

[Apollyon]

Probably what it is. You may notice how Little Mac got a new design when he was made playable compared to his AT design in Brawl, but then again, it is based of his Punch Out Wii design.

Let us assume that Isaac is unplayable to to being remodeled/re-textured. This would actually serve as a huge support to Isaac being DLC, as why would they create entirely new assets just for an assist trophy? Did any other ATs get updated designs from their Brawl counterparts? I look at Samurai Goro from F-Zero and I have to say no.

This also could explain why Isaac is not in Smash right now, believe it or not, making models and textures takes alot of time. The artists have to test and re-test their designs on the different Isaac "skeleton" models, and that might even be before he gets handed off to the gameplay development team. Keep in mind that they have to create two seperate models and textures, one for the 3DS and one for the WiiU.

TL:DR, It seems counter productive to just create one DLC character for both Smash games, and have that one character take six months. There has to be some catch to the "Mewtwo DLC" due in Spring. Commence conspiracy mode.

 

[9Blades]

So it turns out there is actually some songs (At the moment, at least one) thats exclusive to the Japanese version, found here.

Anyone know if there's Golden Sun related exclusives too? Maybe more songs too?

 

[MagiusNecros]

So it turns out there is actually some songs (At the moment, at least one) thats exclusive to the Japanese version, found here.

Anyone know if there's Golden Sun related exclusives too? Maybe more songs too?

Means nothing. Since there were NA and JP versions of the Ashley songs. Maybe it's an exclusive Warioware track but as for Golden Sun? Means nothing.

 

[Leafeon523]

Me: Alright, another round of crazy orders complete

*Weyard CD added to prize pile*

I cant recall a song with that name. Hopefully I won't screw up like I normally do so I can keep it.

*Dies*
*Weyard CD lost*

Me: Darn. I'm going to look it up online real quick to see what it was.

*realizes its one of my favorite Golden Sun tracks*

Me; Whyyyyyyyy

Hopefully I'll unlock it again soon...

 

[Deleted member]

So it turns out there is actually some songs (At the moment, at least one) thats exclusive to the Japanese version, found here.

Anyone know if there's Golden Sun related exclusives too? Maybe more songs too?

Nah. For some reason, the decided to have the NA and JP versions of the WarioWare songs be available on the regional versions as opposed to being global. Though, as a person who prefers Wario Land music (which finally got a track in... but just one), I'm not as big of a fan.

It won't matter for the other albums.

Anyhoo, that is a great theory about Isaac being reskinned, resulting in more time, considering that the other ATs from Brawl didn't get a graphics update. Thougn, I, too, also believe that there is more to the DLC plans than just Mewtwo.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Let's recap.

2 music tracks. Cut assist. No Golden Sun trophies. Possible redesign or upped textures for Smash. Empty spaces that character trophies in All Star could fill which is odd unless you know...more characters.

Also the Wii U version hasn't been able to be datamined so lots of secrets to possibly find out. It is worth noting that both versions file sizes are actually 2 GB smaller then what is recommended for the digital versions, meaning that there is more content to be added obviously. 3DS version was datamined. Had indications of a online shop. Which might be how Mewtwo is acquired and maybe other things as well.

If DLC isn't gonna be a thing then text data alluding to a ingame shop separate from the trophy shop means something. DLC plans basically. So really it's only a matter of months before either the Internet breaks the locks on data on the game itself or Nintendo unveils what plans it has in store beyond Mewtwo. And if I were to guess with stuff like Mario Golf, Mario Kart, Hyrule Warriors it ain't gonna begin and end with Mewtwo.

Glory to the Wise One and pray Isaac joins the battle!

Edit: And let's not forget the Miiverse stage!

 

[Skyblade12]

Let us assume that Isaac is unplayable to to being remodeled/re-textured. This would actually serve as a huge support to Isaac being DLC, as why would they create entirely new assets just for an assist trophy? Did any other ATs get updated designs from their Brawl counterparts? I look at Samurai Goro from F-Zero and I have to say no.

This also could explain why Isaac is not in Smash right now, believe it or not, making models and textures takes alot of time. The artists have to test and re-test their designs on the different Isaac "skeleton" models, and that might even be before he gets handed off to the gameplay development team. Keep in mind that they have to create two seperate models and textures, one for the 3DS and one for the WiiU.

TL:DR, It seems counter productive to just create one DLC character for both Smash games, and have that one character take six months. There has to be some catch to the "Mewtwo DLC" due in Spring. Commence conspiracy mode.

Actually, the other ATs did receive updates, though it is believed that they were merely to textures, rather than both textures and models.

I do find the idea of a single DLC character being rather odd, though.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Mewtwo was just to build initial hype. I think more is coming. Bring Wolf back. I need my villains.

 

[9Blades]

This was on Camelot's Japanese site. Look in the corner. That clearly is a Venus Djinni. Golden Sun 4 confirmed? At least we know they still acknowledge GS's existence.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

This was on Camelot's Japanese site. Look in the corner. That clearly is a Venus Djinni. Golden Sun 4 confirmed? At least we know they still acknowledge GS's existence. View attachment 32417

This could also be used as a way to put Isaac in the game, which would be awesome.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

This was on Camelot's Japanese site. Look in the corner. That clearly is a Venus Djinni. Golden Sun 4 confirmed? At least we know they still acknowledge GS's existence. View attachment 32417

Wow, that is awesome. Well, I guess there is no better way to celebrate their anniversary by releasing a new game in the GS series, right?

 

[Aguki90]

This was on Camelot's Japanese site. Look in the corner. That clearly is a Venus Djinni. Golden Sun 4 confirmed? At least we know they still acknowledge GS's existence. View attachment 32417

"Click on Venus Dijin"

Of all the things they can forget to put or ignore. They put... Something ... about... Goldan.... Sun....
They never forget.... First dark dawn and Camelot is like: "Hey, look who is the cute creature" Is a Earth cute FAT DIJIINN!

20 Anniversary of Camelot, Isaac IN Smash bros. and Golden Sun 4. the rest is Give us money or not Isaac for you.

Seriously. Camelot has not forgethen Golden Sun and I hope, is not a placeholder... Remember Japan love to hide and give us surprise. I love those kind of surprised!

 

[isaac3000]

This was on Camelot's Japanese site. Look in the corner. That clearly is a Venus Djinni. Golden Sun 4 confirmed? At least we know they still acknowledge GS's existence. View attachment 32417

See how it says click? After 10000 clicks, Golden Sun 4 will be made!!!
Or, a Golden Sun DLC Packet will be released including 2 characters(Isaac, Sveta), 2 stages(Venus Lighthouse, Apollo Sanctum,) lots of trophies, 1 assist trophy(Felix), a couple items!!

Sigh...one can dream!

 

[MagiusNecros]

Nice find. GS4 has to happen. That cliffhanger was the biggest cop out I ever witnessed.

 

[Wintropy]

If Golden Sun 4 happens, I reckon Isaac's chances for DLC will skyrocket.

That would be great~

 

[MagiusNecros]

If Golden Sun 4 happens, I reckon Isaac's chances for DLC will skyrocket.

That would be great~

I don't think so. Most of the planning for characters was done in early dev stages. Greninja being a key example. Since he was planned before Pokemon XY even released.

But that entirely depends how far they want to go with DLC. Will it be a one or two time update thing? Or will the game be continually updated during the 3DS/Wii U system lifespan?

 

[JaidynReiman]

I don't think so. Most of the planning for characters was done in early dev stages. Greninja being a key example. Since he was planned before Pokemon XY even released.

But that entirely depends how far they want to go with DLC. Will it be a one or two time update thing? Or will the game be continually updated during the 3DS/Wii U system lifespan?

I think so. Thing is, if GS4 is in development, Sakurai already knows about it and likely has a checklist of characters who would be the first ones picked for DLC. If GS4 is happening, its in development RIGHT NOW, and he's most likely got Isaac on such a checklist.


As far as DLC is concerned, its probably going to be an expansion pack DLC, though they might release it in smaller chunks.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I'm in agreement that GS4 has to be in development. Ideally right after Mario Golf was done. I know Camelot was credited for Smash 4 but I personally don't think that extends to Waluigi. Maybe gruntwork and game polish. But I want to believe there is something more. What day and month is Camelot's 20th anniversary?

Also has everyone played Dark Dawn? I kinda want to discuss Arcanus and his entire plot relevance a bit.

 

[Skyblade12]

See how it says click? After 10000 clicks, Golden Sun 4 will be made!!!

Clicking away.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I'm in agreement that GS4 has to be in development. Ideally right after Mario Golf was done. I know Camelot was credited for Smash 4 but I personally don't think that extends to Waluigi. Maybe gruntwork and game polish. But I want to believe there is something more. What day and month is Camelot's 20th anniversary?

Also has everyone played Dark Dawn? I kinda want to discuss Arcanus and his entire plot relevance a bit.

Technically, Camelot originally existed in 1990. Its possible they just didn't become known as Camelot until 1995.


As for Mario Golf, I'm kinda in disagreement. I actually think they had concept designs floating around for GS4 some time before Mario Golf, and they probably started working on the basics of GS4 before they finished Mario Golf.


From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camelot_Software_Planning):

Camelot was originally founded in 1990 as a division of Sega known as Sega CD4 (Consumer Development Studio #4),[3] soon changing their name to Sonic! Software Planning, which was formed to create, alongside Climax Entertainment, Shining in the Darkness for the Sega Mega Drive/Genesis. The studio also developed other successful games in the franchise, including Shining Force and Shining Force II.[3] In 1995, Sonic! officially separated from Sega, but agreed to continue developing games for the Shining series and to not release any games for rival systems that would threaten the success of the Shining franchise.


So yeah, 1995 is the year they officially became an independent company. It does not say what month.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I think I just answered my own question. If something happens on April 4th I'll flip.

 

[Skyblade12]

I think I just answered my own question. If something happens on April 4th I'll flip.

You won't be alone.

"In celebration of Camelot's 20th Anniversary, we're revealing Golden Sun 4 (on the 4th)".

It would be awesome.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think I just answered my own question. If something happens on April 4th I'll flip.

Well, if anything I think they'd probably announce it in a Nintendo Direct. I suppose if Nintendo has one in April that might do it, but most likely it'd be February when we'll see a Direct. Then again, maybe they'll have it in January so that Nintendo can announce the Majora's Mask 3D release date as a tie in to the MM Hyrule Warriors DLC releasing in January.

 

[N3ON]

I think it's nice they went with a Djinn when they could've gone with something like Waluigi, who would also makes sense. Shows they haven't forgotten GS.

Ofc I don't think it really means anything past that, but... it's nice.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I think it's nice they went with a Djinn when they could've gone with something like Waluigi, who would also makes sense. Shows they haven't forgotten GS.

Ofc I don't think it really means anything past that, but... it's nice.

I think it's a cool nod to their, at the moment, only, if I'm not mistaken, original IP. If they would have put anything Waluigi on there I'd be super disappointed, so thank God they didn't. It's their 20th anniversary after all.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I think it's nice they went with a Djinn when they could've gone with something like Waluigi, who would also makes sense. Shows they haven't forgotten GS.

Ofc I don't think it really means anything past that, but... it's nice.

I think it's a cool nod to their, at the moment, only, if I'm not mistaken, original IP. If they would have put anything Waluigi on there I'd be super disappointed, so thank God they didn't. It's their 20th anniversary after all.

I don't think its something to get SUPER excited over. The fact is, Golden Sun literally IS Camelot's only original IP. At the same time, because it is they're only original IP, I guess it does make it fairly likely they'd consider making a new one. So, yeah, mixed opinions all around.


Still, they're planning a 20th anniversary celebration and we have no idea what they are working on. I think they'll be announcing it so, and I'd bet anything its going to be GS4. Question is, were they able to get help to work on it?

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

Still, they're planning a 20th anniversary celebration and we have no idea what they are working on. I think they'll be announcing it so, and I'd bet anything its going to be GS4. Question is, were they able to get help to work on it?

I don't see any reason not to get help, maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but if they are considering making Golden Sun 4 the last installment of the series, Nintendo might have laid a hand for that game to be the best Golden Sun game ever (it would also be nice for it to have post-game, like Colosso trials or online battles).

 

[JaidynReiman]

I don't see any reason not to get help, maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but if they are considering making Golden Sun 4 the last installment of the series, Nintendo might have laid a hand for that game to be the best Golden Sun game ever (it would also be nice for it to have post-game, like Colosso trials or online battles).

I think its not so much making GS4 the last installment of the series. It would moreso be; treat the game as if it is, and if it does well enough to continue, awesome. If not, then there's proper closure.