Isaac for DLC - One day. Some day. Golden Sunday.

[Skyblade12]

In the Lost Age, this is necessary in order to visit the Islet Cave, because you do a trading sequence with animals, and the only way to talk to animals is through Mind Read. So, this element is involved.

There are also a few items that are generally hidden that you get hints at via Mind Read. You can obtain them as long as you know where they are, but Mind Read will help you find them.

Not many of those, though.

 

[Mav485]

I enjoyed the Mind Reading. It was always nice to run into the oddball ones that were just out of left field. =P

Side question, is there any recent news or rumors on when The Lost Age could be headed to VC here in America? I saw some news about things progressing elsewhere, but no news for America.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I enjoyed the Mind Reading. It was always nice to run into the oddball ones that were just out of left field. =P

Side question, is there any recent news or rumors on when The Lost Age could be head to VC here in America? I saw some news about things progressing elsewhere, but no news for America.

No idea, its really weird. I believe Lost Age is already out everywhere else, but NA is still MIA. Its the exact same weird thing with DKC1-3 and DKL1-3. They're released everywhere but NA.

 

[RhymesWithEmpty]

Argh, The Lost Age had better release on the NA virtual console soon, 'cause my Wii U should be delivered in a few days, and I have really been looking forward to replaying both of them on a big screeeeen... well, significantly bigger than a DS screen, anyways XD

 

[LasermasterA]

Right now, I'm about done with The Lost Age.

Well, to be honest, I've done just about everything I can in the game, including defeating Dullahan using a strategy I learned from my old guide about spamming summons and hoping for the best.

Of course, I have bigger fish to fry as I feel like I'm gonna have to fix my BIOS. If that doesn't work, maybe I'll have to get a new computer.

I finished TLA again recently. I was trying to grind my party to level 99 but then I realized I had to kill around 500 wonder birds before I got close >.< I love GS but I don't like grinding that much, EVER.

Oh so you beat Dullahan using Summon Rush? Did you use Lull cause that really helps out if you are over 250 agility with the lowest party member?

I just beat him using a regular strategy of going in and using regular unleashes (I had max setup though with everyone's unleash rate maxed out with 99% Meggido rate on Isaac), Psynergy and Djinn here and there. He did cast Djinn Storm 2-3 times but I survived.

It was another story in the Arena though..... Since my party was at level 70, Dullahan was scaled at level 70 as well (otherwise he is level 60). I almost beat him but then he Djinn stormed me, multiple times. Garet was the last man standing. And this was my 3rd battle in the arena. So currently I have a grand record of 2 consecutive battles!

I will still buy the VC releases though, to show my support for GS!

 

[Aguki90]

When Duck Hunt dog got is trailer.
They make Duck Hunt game in VC.
In a smash trailer.

Imagine is they do the same thing Isaac or Dixie Kong.
Another of my ridiculous spectation of MY.
Don't take it seriusly... Is you want it.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Isaac being a Robin Clone won't work. Isaac isn't limited to Weapon uses and spell stocks.

 

[RhymesWithEmpty]

Well, I'm sure cutting that aspect of Robin's moveset would still take way less time than completely developing a new character. On the other hand, I don't feel Robin would work because Isaac doesn't use tomes and, I imagine, uses a heavier sword, since he seems to two-hand his main weapons. That'd at least require different model animations for the spells, different stance animations in general, and different melee attacks. I don't know exactly how much work that'd require, but I feel like that's probably why clones are generally confined to highly similar characters from the same series, with the exception of Ganondorf. Just easier to adapt that way. I guess he could still be a Wolf-esque semi-clone, though.

In other news, I've finally updated my sig, and I didn't even mark Isaac as fully deconfirmed, so you know I'm not a total monster with all of my skepticism!

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

Also, Isaac's "magic" (I prefer to say Psyenergy) is based on the Earth Element (Rocks, Plants, Energy Swords) and on the Psyenergy Hand (Used for cast Move, Catch, Lift, etc.). Compared to Robin, I could see Isaac being slighly faster and more hard hitting with his weapon and without having that weapon/ magic limit.

 

[Deleted member]

I finished TLA again recently. I was trying to grind my party to level 99 but then I realized I had to kill around 500 wonder birds before I got close >.< I love GS but I don't like grinding that much, EVER.

Oh so you beat Dullahan using Summon Rush? Did you use Lull cause that really helps out if you are over 250 agility with the lowest party member?

I just beat him using a regular strategy of going in and using regular unleashes (I had max setup though with everyone's unleash rate maxed out with 99% Meggido rate on Isaac), Psynergy and Djinn here and there. He did cast Djinn Storm 2-3 times but I survived.

It was another story in the Arena though..... Since my party was at level 70, Dullahan was scaled at level 70 as well (otherwise he is level 60). I almost beat him but then he Djinn stormed me, multiple times. Garet was the last man standing. And this was my 3rd battle in the arena. So currently I have a grand record of 2 consecutive battles!

I will still buy the VC releases though, to show my support for GS!

First off, I got the computer fixed.

Secondly, I beat the game with a Level 41 average. Not too high, but this was the first time I ever beat Doom Dragon without having to go to my reserves because I played conservative and kept healing with both Jenna's Healing Aura spells and Mist Potions (available at Prox), so I should pat myself on the back. Plus, Level 41 is usually how I end the game anyway, as while I do like the grind, I'm not into heavy grinding.

And, Nintendo of Ameica is ao bass-ackwards with the Virtual Console, as I've been dying to play the Donkey Kong Land games on my 2DS (I still own DKL 2, my favorite of the two). I hope The Lost Age is released on VC soon, but it seems like the policy is one or two games (at most) a month. You know, every now and then, try like to trot out Reggie Fils-Aime and present how cool and hip he is, but I always then get reminded why NoA is behind NoE and NoJ in respecting their gamers and buying potential. Yeah, we get a Persona-themed 3DS XL, but I'm more interested in that Majora's Mask bundle Europe is getting.

Now, as far as Isaac being a clone is concerned, Robin would be a terrible choice, as Isaac's Psynergy is near limitless (unless you expend them all, in which point, you either use a Psy Crystal or go to an Inn), and the mechanisms are Earth-based, while Robin is more rounded in his spells.

And, yeah, I beat Dullahan using Summon Rush.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I can beat Dullahan without Summon Rush. Git gud.

 

[Accursed]

There are also a few items that are generally hidden that you get hints at via Mind Read. You can obtain them as long as you know where they are, but Mind Read will help you find them.

Not many of those, though.

There's also those tree dudes that you have to save near Bilibin Barricade. You wouldn't really know you need to save them unless you use Mind Read.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I like the one guy who wished he was still a tree.

 

[AEMehr]

What if Isaac is a clone of Robin?

Both are swordsman that can use magic...I know it's unlikely and it would be lame as hell, but after Falcon -> Ganondorf I don't put anything past Sakurai.

Oh god his Final Smash will be the same as Robin's but he will team up with Felix!!!

#legitworry

The situation Isaac is in is pretty vastly different from where Ganondorf was. I mean Ganondorf was only a clone in Melee so they could beef up the roster size.
DLC characters need to be purchased separately, and it's safe to know what Sakurai is aware that many people aren't fond of clones of existing fighters (meaning there is a chance that sales of such a character would be lower than an original one). Because of that, I think it's safe to assume that none of the dlc characters will be a clone of an existing fighter.

 

[MagiusNecros]

I dunno bout you guys but I prefer unique concepts over copypasta. Which is what I think Isaac should bring to the table.

 

[Freduardo]

I dunno bout you guys but I prefer unique concepts over copypasta. Which is what I think Isaac should bring to the table.

Clones and copypasta increase chances of being reality a lot, though.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Clones and copypasta increase chances of being reality a lot, though.

Being a Robin Clone won't exactly be accurate I'm afraid. Won't be as simple as Marth/Lucina, Pit/Pitoo, Mario/Dr. Mario.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Isaac wouldn't really fit as a Robin clone. At the bare bones basic, they have a slightly similar concept: Mage Knight / Red Mage type of character.


But that's a horrible comparison. Isaac uses a bit of swordplay but largely focuses on using Psynergy and Djinn to combat foes. A proper Isaac moveset would incorporate both. Isaac is also a Venus / Earth adept, a unique concept in of itself. There's almost NOTHING in Smash Bros. related to a character using earth-based attacks. Not even a nature-based character is present (barring the cut Ivysaur; a nature-based character which would be cool for another character as well).


The only thing that even resembles earth-based attacks are Charizard's Rock Smash. Couple that with using hand-based attacks that could push, grab, crush, and lift opponents all over the battlefield, Isaac has plenty of material to make him unique, and barely anything that makes him anything at all like any other characters. Even Robin, who is the "closest" character to Isaac, despite Robin being almost nothing like Isaac at all except for the BARE BONES concept (a mage character that can use a sword).

 

[Wintropy]

Isaac wouldn't really fit as a Robin clone. At the bare bones basic, they have a slightly similar concept: Mage Knight / Red Mage type of character.


But that's a horrible comparison. Isaac uses a bit of swordplay but largely focuses on using Psynergy and Djinn to combat foes. A proper Isaac moveset would incorporate both. Isaac is also a Venus / Earth adept, a unique concept in of itself. There's almost NOTHING in Smash Bros. related to a character using earth-based attacks. Not even a nature-based character is present (barring the cut Ivysaur; a nature-based character which would be cool for another character as well).


The only thing that even resembles earth-based attacks are Charizard's Rock Smash. Couple that with using hand-based attacks that could push, grab, crush, and lift opponents all over the battlefield, Isaac has plenty of material to make him unique, and barely anything that makes him anything at all like any other characters. Even Robin, who is the "closest" character to Isaac, despite Robin being almost nothing like Isaac at all except for the BARE BONES concept (a mage character that can use a sword).

Confession time: I used to think that Isaac and Shulk would be godawful character choices because "they're just mage knights like Robin".

Yeah, I was pretty ignorant a while ago, though it at least demonstrates that all it takes is some good-natured informing of others to demonstrate the essential merit of a character. I reckon a lot of people are tepid towards Isaac because they either haven't played the games or just aren't familiar enough with his abilities to consider him a distinctive character. Hopefully Golden Sun's release on the VC and a possible sequel will remedy such unfortunate ignorance and embellish his popularity.

 

[Falgor]

First off, I got the computer fixed.

Secondly, I beat the game with a Level 41 average. Not too high, but this was the first time I ever beat Doom Dragon without having to go to my reserves because I played conservative and kept healing with both Jenna's Healing Aura spells and Mist Potions (available at Prox), so I should pat myself on the back. Plus, Level 41 is usually how I end the game anyway, as while I do like the grind, I'm not into heavy grinding.

And, Nintendo of Ameica is ao bass-ackwards with the Virtual Console, as I've been dying to play the Donkey Kong Land games on my 2DS (I still own DKL 2, my favorite of the two). I hope The Lost Age is released on VC soon, but it seems like the policy is one or two games (at most) a month. You know, every now and then, try like to trot out Reggie Fils-Aime and present how cool and hip he is, but I always then get reminded why NoA is behind NoE and NoJ in respecting their gamers and buying potential. Yeah, we get a Persona-themed 3DS XL, but I'm more interested in that Majora's Mask bundle Europe is getting.

Now, as far as Isaac being a clone is concerned, Robin would be a terrible choice, as Isaac's Psynergy is near limitless (unless you expend them all, in which point, you either use a Psy Crystal or go to an Inn), and the mechanisms are Earth-based, while Robin is more rounded in his spells.

And, yeah, I beat Dullahan using Summon Rush.

Talking about NoE and their respect of players, we have Golden Sun: The Lost Age on VC, but they didn't even put the games in their original languages. English for everyone. I don't have a problem with english, so it wouldn't be bad for me, but Golden Sun is a game with a lot of text. The translations already exist, yet we have one language for all of Europe. I don't find this respectful, because not everyone like english as much as I do. Worse, it will then decrease the sales of the games.

I can't even tell how much I want to slap them for doing this.

 

[Deleted member]

Talking about NoE and their respect of players, we have Golden Sun: The Lost Age on VC, but they didn't even put the games in their original languages. English for everyone. I don't have a problem with english, so it wouldn't be bad for me, but Golden Sun is a game with a lot of text. The translations already exist, yet we have one language for all of Europe. I don't find this respectful, because not everyone like english as much as I do. Worse, it will then decrease the sales of the games.

I can't even tell how much I want to slap them for doing this.

Considering how there are at least five primary languages in Europe to worry about when translating, that is a gripe I do understand.

Me and my first world problems.

 

[Falgor]

Considering how there are at least five primary languages in Europe to worry about when translating, that is a gripe I do understand.

Me and my first world problems.

If the translations didn't exist I would agree, but it's not the case, they do exist. It's also kinda disrespectful towards the people who translated the game in the past. And to be honest, I don't even understand their reason not to put the different languages, they'll lose sales...

 

[Skyblade12]

If the translations didn't exist I would agree, but it's not the case, they do exist. It's also kinda disrespectful towards the people who translated the game in the past. And to be honest, I don't even understand their reason not to put the different languages, they'll lose sales...

Laziness. And more indication that Nintendo doesn't care about Golden Sun.

 

[Freduardo]

Isaac as a Robin Clone I see being a more heavyweight Robin:

So we're going to Luigi treatment this Clone. The Sword will actually be Longer and larger than Robin's swords, at the cost of speed. When using Levin Sword Attacks they're more like Isaac's Energy Sword Psynergy attacks and instead of electric effect they have increased knock back. The B Neutral becomes a vine attack instead of electricity, once again significantly slower, no electrical effect, but increased knock back and if the opponent is over 115% it adds poison flower. Instead of throwing fire for his B Forward, he throws a boulder, which doesn't stay as long, is a slower attack, but increased knock back. His B Up can only be sending one psynergy hand underneath him instead of two shots for worse recovery but increased knock back, and his b down can be a psynergy hand catch and throw instead of Nosferatu.

Presume appropriate damage buffs where knock back increased.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

I haven't come here as often as I used to do, because of University and I finally got Omega Ruby, which is an awesome game.

So, first of all, @ N3ON please add me to the supporters list.

And now the most important part: Isaac shouldn't be a clone of Robin, just because they are made by the same concept (Magic Swordsman), that doesn't mean they have to be clones (if that would be the case, then we might as well as make Ike a Marth clone). Isaac play style should be moderately fast and strong, like he is in the games (his attack stat is pretty high, while his agility is also medium-high). Also, his Magic is totally different from the one of Robin. His B could easily be Ragnarok (you can charge it and keep the charge to release it later). His Side B could be Move (hand same size as Isaac and pushed enemies, without damaging them).His Up B could be retreat (would act like a slower extreme speed) and once it lands, you could also press B again for a wide slash. As for the Down B, it could be Gaia (rechargable, the more you charge, the stronger and wider the move gets, evolving from Gaia > Mother Gaia > Grand Gaia) or Sakurai just gives us another counter (he seems to love doing that with Down-Bs, not that I mind, but variety is always welcome).

 

[JaidynReiman]

I haven't come here as often as I used to do, because of University and I finally got Omega Ruby, which is an awesome game.

So, first of all, @ N3ON please add me to the supporters list.

And now the most important part: Isaac shouldn't be a clone of Robin, just because they are made by the same concept (Magic Swordsman), that doesn't mean they have to be clones (if that would be the case, then we might as well as make Ike a Marth clone). Isaac play style should be moderately fast and strong, like he is in the games (his attack stat is pretty high, while his agility is also medium-high). Also, his Magic is totally different from the one of Robin. His B could easily be Ragnarok (you can charge it and keep the charge to release it later). His Side B could be Move (hand same size as Isaac and pushed enemies, without damaging them).His Up B could be retreat (would act like a slower extreme speed) and once it lands, you could also press B again for a wide slash. As for the Down B, it could be Gaia (rechargable, the more you charge, the stronger and wider the move gets, evolving from Gaia > Mother Gaia > Grand Gaia) or Sakurai just gives us another counter (he seems to love doing that with Down-Bs, not that I mind, but variety is always welcome).

Honestly, I'm not really sure what Isaac has for Counter... I like the idea of Gaia better. Isaac can smack the ground and create an earthquake that extends outward from him. If he charges it, it'll hit further along, and maybe even have some vertical momentum, too.

 

[MagiusNecros]

Honestly, I'm not really sure what Isaac has for Counter... I like the idea of Gaia better. Isaac can smack the ground and create an earthquake that extends outward from him. If he charges it, it'll hit further along, and maybe even have some vertical momentum, too.

Quick Strike Psynergy. Samurai/Ronin Class.

 

[mark welford]

could be like Donkey Kong's + and Kirby's + where he could kind of spam if it is not charged. if not charged it is spammable, shorter and weaker but charged longer, stronger and can not be spammed but charged too long he could either lose the charge like Luigi's side special or get Damage like Ike's neutral special. Sorry mods please delete post.

 

[mark welford]

Honestly, I'm not really sure what Isaac has for Counter... I like the idea of Gaia better. Isaac can smack the ground and create an earthquake that extends outward from him. If he charges it, it'll hit further along, and maybe even have some vertical momentum, too.

Maybe could be like Donkey Kong's + and Kirby's + where he could kind of spam if it is not charged. if not charged it is spammable, shorter and weaker but charged longer, stronger and can not be spammed but charged too long he could either lose the charge like Luigi's side special or get Damage like Ike's neutral special.

 

[Falgor]

I'm currently trying to spread the #GoldenSunday movement to french forums (I'm also going to try on Reddit's /r/GoldenSun), mentioning that it was created here.
I stated that we need to make sure our community is still requesting a new Golden Sun game, because the Takahashi brothers from Camelot said it will be the way to make it possible.

I suggested to also add the #GoldenSunrise hashtag with the link to the petition for Golden Sun 4 (which I'm not able to give at the moment since I'm really new here) and to post this on social networks.

I don't know what you'll think of this (maybe unrealistic) idea, but I try! After all, we are strong enough to make this "battle" on multiple fronts. I even think it's the only way to win: Making it BIG and gather a lot of people.

Let's give back the Golden Sun all its splendor together!

 

[Skyblade12]

Yeah, the best thing we can do is increase awareness. We really need more people aware of these games and asking for a sequel to come. The more people we can get interested, the better.

 

[BravadoMan_13]

Just noticed that I wasn't on the supporter list. So could you please add me to the list as well @ N3ON ?

It would be weird for Isaac to be a clone of Robin. The chances of that happening are next to none.

 

[Aguki90]

Guys is you saw the news, Marht, Villager and WFT Amiibos are discontinued.

This very bad news or hurt chance of 3 badass character. Marth is was a sold out, Villager and Wii fit trainer were the First newcomer (aside from Megaman) for Smash 4 and you rejected it. Oh great look, More Mario, My goal to smash bros. always gonna be like this. "Nintendo is just more than Mario and Zelda" and here they really starting to screw offf.

I Want Isaac to Smash bros, then get a Isaac Amiibo with a Little Mac Amiibo. Then I can cry happy.

 

[Skyblade12]

Guys is you saw the news, Marht, Villager and WFT Amiibos are discontinued.

This very bad news or hurt chance of 3 badass character. Marth is was a sold out, Villager and Wii fit trainer were the First newcomer (aside from Megaman) for Smash 4 and you rejected it. Oh great look, More Mario, My goal to smash bros. always gonna be like this. "Nintendo is just more than Mario and Zelda" and here they really starting to screw offf.

I Want Isaac to Smash bros, then get a Isaac Amiibo with a Little Mac Amiibo. Then I can cry happy.

From what I've heard, the discontinuation is just a rumor, not confirmed.

 

[LasermasterA]

And we keep searching for a hint of playable Isaac in the fields of Smash Angara:

art by neshirys

 

[MagiusNecros]

Looks empty.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

And we keep searching for a hint of playable Isaac in the fields of Smash Angara:

art by neshirys

That looks strangely familiar...
Ah, I know, it reminds me of this.

 

[LasermasterA]

That looks strangely familiar...
Ah, I know, it reminds me of this.

Hey if Shulk and crew found a way to make him playable in a seemingly "empty" panorama, then I guess Isaac is not far behind.

He does have a habit of being late - the lighthouses

 

[Aguki90]

Sorry for being a buthurt just by a bunch of badass amiibos..

I hear that Nintendo or whatever they say. Amiibo were a sold out. Especially Marth Amiibo. (I never expected Marth Amiibo sold out. Many Marth Main want to Main Marth.)

So many post of Robin Isaac clone thread.

And we keep searching for a hint of playable Isaac in the fields of Smash Angara:

art by neshirys

That looks strangely familiar...
Ah, I know, it reminds me of this.

It all make sense. Isaac is Shulk secret Rival. Even they don't have the same power. There always be rival to death.

 

[JohnnySparkxs]

It all make sense. Isaac is Shulk secret Rival. Even they don't have the same power. There always be rival to death.

Cast Catch on the Monado, throw it as far as you can, win.